Denzel Ward

[Ohio]

DAWG

 

[Jack Brickman]

DAWG

Time to cut Landry and give his money to Ward like we cut Odell and gave that cash to Teller.

After the season, obviously.

Use our first on a WR.

I know people love Landry for that speech on Hard Knocks, but ultimately he's just a guy. We can sign a slot receiver in free agency for a fraction of the price.

 

[B Mac]

Time to cut Landry and give his money to Ward like we cut Odell and gave that cash to Teller.

After the season, obviously.

Use our first on a WR.

I know people love Landry for that speech on Hard Knocks, but ultimately he's just a guy. We can sign a slot receiver in free agency for a fraction of the price.

I continue to dream that Landry will be willing to restructure. He was my favorite player in the NFL before we traded for him. Would hate to see him move on.

 

[Ohio]

I continue to dream that Landry will be willing to restructure. He was my favorite player in the NFL before we traded for him. Would hate to see him move on.

I agree, this would be ideal. Just not sure how willing he'll be to do that now that Odell is gone.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Time to cut Landry and give his money to Ward like we cut Odell and gave that cash to Teller.

After the season, obviously.

Use our first on a WR.

I know people love Landry for that speech on Hard Knocks, but ultimately he's just a guy. We can sign a slot receiver in free agency for a fraction of the price.

I think people like Landry for his incredible production moving the chains before the injury. He's a very high end Z/slot receiver and team leader. He is not a fantasy football asset. I expect him back, there's more fat to cut off elsewhere and I'm expecting the first rounder to be a true X receiver for him to help develop. He's a rare vet willing to make those in the position room better.

Back to Ward - I like mixing in press man occasionally, but it has to be a surprise rather than the default coverage. In 2020, it was the least successful coverage we ran as a defense.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I think people like Landry for his incredible production moving the chains before the injury. He's a very high end Z/slot receiver and team leader. He is not a fantasy football asset. I expect him back, there's more fat to cut off elsewhere and I'm expecting the first rounder to be a true X receiver for him to help develop. He's a rare vet willing to make those in the position room better.

Back to Ward - I like mixing in press man occasionally, but it has to be a surprise rather than the default coverage. In 2020, it was the least successful coverage we ran as a defense.

I could give a shit about Landry's fantasy football numbers. No one on this team outside of Chubb is putting up relevant fantasy numbers. The simple fact is that he isn't worth fourteen million and he's dropped way too many big catches. He's worth half what he's making right now and he needs to either restructure or be replaced.

Ward is a legitimate top ten player at his position. Landry wouldn't even crack the top thirty at WR right now. If we're going to pay a guy over ten million, I'd rather it be the elite young player at arguably the fourth most important position in football (after QB, EDGE, and LT), not the slot receiver.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I could give a shit about Landry's fantasy football numbers. No one on this team outside of Chubb is putting up relevant fantasy numbers. The simple fact is that he isn't worth fourteen million and he's dropped way too many big catches. He's worth half what he's making right now and he needs to either restructure or be replaced.

Ward is a legitimate top ten player at his position. Landry wouldn't even crack the top thirty at WR right now. If we're going to pay a guy over ten million, I'd rather it be the elite young player at arguably the fourth most important position in football (after QB, EDGE, and LT), not the slot receiver.

Yeah, you hate Landry. It's old news. This is the Ward thread.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Yeah, you hate him. It's old news.

I don't hate Landry. I think he's a solid slot receiver. But he's not worth anywhere near what he's making and we need to start making tough decisions.

Ward is flat out better than Landry at their respective positions. Are you disputing that?

If you could only keep one of Ward or Landry, who are you taking? Because to me, that's an easy decision. I like Landry the person and I think he's a good locker room guy, but on the field he's not a superstar but he's being paid like one.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I don't hate Landry. I think he's a solid slot receiver. But he's not worth anywhere near what he's making and we need to start making tough decisions.

Ward is flat out better than Landry at their respective positions. Are you disputing that?

Saying it's between signing Ward or keeping Landry is inaccurate. A restructure is very believable, cutting him is highly unlikely.

Can't help but notice many of the same people ready to cut Landry also believe Njoku is a must-keep and even occasionally say he deserves a transition tag. Dude is the part-time tight end and much more easily replaced than Landry.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Saying it's between signing Ward or keeping Landry is inaccurate. A restructure is very believable, cutting him is highly unlikely.

Can't help but notice many of the same people ready to cut Landry also believe Njoku is a must-keep and even occasionally say he deserves a transition tag. Dude is the part-time tight end and much more easily replaced than Landry.

Well, the thing with Njoku is that I think a lot of people here would rather part ways with Hooper and bring back Chief. This, to me, makes sense. Njoku is an elite athlete and has came through for us in some of our biggest games. That's not to say that Hooper hasn't been good, and he's certainly made some clutch catches, but if you told me the team could keep paying Hooper like one of the best TEs in the game or get Njoku for less, I'm taking Njoku every single time. I think most would agree. He's improved vastly as a blocker and his hands no longer seem to be the issue they were when he was younger. He's just flat out a better, more intriguing player than Hooper at this point and with a higher ceiling to boot. He also seems to have great chemistry with Baker (this is, of course, assuming Baker is our QB going forward).

And sure, it's probably not directly between Landry and Ward, but we need to start thinking toward the future. Landry is vastly overpaid relative to his production. Ward is a top ten, probably borderline top five player at his position. If we have to start making tough decisions, I'd rather re-sign the elite player and part ways with the role-player. I don't think that Landry's locker room role is worth the absurd number on his game checks. Other guys can be leaders.

If we can restructure Landry, great, I'd be fine with that. But motherfucker needs to give a lot of money back, because he is in no way, shape, or form worth what his contract pays in 2022.

 

[Ohio]

Back to Ward - I like mixing in press man occasionally, but it has to be a surprise rather than the default coverage. In 2020, it was the least successful coverage we ran as a defense.

How relevant is this though? Ward is the only starter in the secondary that was here last year and he's among the best man corners in the league.

I liked the balance in coverages in the Bengals game, I look forward to seeing how Woods calls the defense moving forward.

 

[Randolphkeys]

How relevant is this though? Ward is the only starter in the secondary that was here last year and he's among the best man corners in the league.

I liked the balance in coverages in the Bengals game, I look forward to seeing how Woods calls the defense moving forward.

Who did the Browns blitz most? Joe Burrow of 19 career pro games and rookie Justin Fields. Against the Patriots, I hope they blitz the heck out of Mac Jones. Run press coverage in a rotation with cover three and four to keep him utterly confused.

However, Joe Burrow doesn't play the position the same way Lamar Jackson plays the position. Press man against Lamar is tough because he will outrun a spy. So I'm not expecting press coverage for every offense we face.

 

[Ohio]

Who did the Browns blitz most? Joe Burrow of 19 career pro games and rookie Justin Fields. Against the Patriots, I hope they blitz the heck out of Mac Jones. Run press coverage in a rotation with cover three and four to keep him utterly confused.

However, Joe Burrow doesn't play the position the same way Lamar Jackson plays the position. Press man against Lamar is tough because he will outrun a spy. So I'm not expecting press coverage for every offense we face.

Agreed on all accounts. If there's one team that makes sense to play zone against the vast majority of the time, it's the Ravens.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Agreed on all accounts. If there's one team that makes sense to play zone against the vast majority of the time, it's the Ravens.

I didn't notice during the Bengals game that Ward was out during the second Bengals drive, AJ Green took his place. They wanted to rest him after the 100 yard return. I think that's the loudest argument for his worth - Bengals could only get the ball in the end zone when he was off JaMarr Chase.

 

[Ohio]

I didn't notice during the Bengals game that Ward was out during the second Bengals drive, AJ Green took his place. They wanted to rest him after the 100 yard return. I think that's the loudest argument for his worth - Bengals could only get the ball in the end zone when he was off JaMarr Chase.

Yeah, I was at the game and noticed right away he wasn't out there for the 2nd drive. I didn't know why, but assumed it was because he was gassed. Saw video when I got home of him getting oxygen on the sidelines. Think he mentioned it in his postgame presser as well.

But, yeah. After that drive their only other touchdown came in garbage time.