Dion Waiters Traded

[RchfldCavRaised]

“When you’re operating over the cap, you cannot replace the player,” the executive said. “This is how Jeff Green got $9 million. Boston was over the cap and looking at Green as a $6 million player. But they had to decide: Do you pay a $6 million player $9 million or replace him with a guy making the minimum? So you pay the $9 million.”

The bolded quote was from Lloyd's article yesterday and I think describes perfectly the problem we are going to have with TT.

He won't be worth $10-12 million a year (although I could actually see a team paying that) as a back-up, but we are so far into cap oblivion that we can't find another 24 year old big who can replicate his production for the minimum.

He should be getting Andy's money, and Andy should be gone if they had done it correctly.

TT has the team over a barrel now because his agents know that we need him for what he does, and that we can't replace him if we let him walk.

Our choices are probably wildly overpay like we did with Andy or relegate ourselves to being the Heat and filling his spot with another aging vet type every year who wants to chase a ring for cheap.

I disagree wholeheartedly and would welcome taking this to the TT thread...wherever that may be.

Overvaluing TT and what he is capable of doing is what LeBron and his management team wants us to do... I have no interest in doing that, I dont care how well he cleans the toilets in the lockerroom.

If we could get a Dion like haul for him as sellers start selling before the deadline, I say we jump on that now (With Brons ummmm... blessing of course)

 

[KB]

Red.

Fair warning. I am "disagreeing" with every single post you make on this site as long as the feature exists. That is like 35 from you with absolutely no debate to follow. Nothing wrong with a "disagree" and healthy debate. However, you provide nothing.

Cheers, and...

I'm not saying you don't have merit with this train of thought

However

I can say for myself that I do this sometimes because I've already written a post about the topic and I hate repeating myself. I see it as a waste of time to retype something I've already posted.

When that happens to me I try to go through a posters history to see if I can find a previous post where they had already explained their train of thought / stance

 

[BimboColesHair]

I am positive that you could find somebody late in the draft or even free agents that would give you the same production as TT. Just look at Tarick Black. Give him same minutes as TT and he will produce at the same clip. Energy bigs off the bench with limited offense is easy to find.

There are currently 2 players in the league who grab 3.7 or more ORB per game, shoot 53.5% from the floor, and score at least 9.6 points per game. Tyson Chandler and Tristan Thompson. Cut out the FG% limitation and there are just 4 players in the league who grab ORBs like Tristan while still scoring at a fair clip. Chandler, Tristan, Drummond, and Zach Randolph. You guys keep on telling yourself what Tristan provides is easily replaceable.

 

[Zen]

I'm not saying you don't have merit with this train of thought

However

I can say for myself that I do this sometimes because I've already written a post about the topic and I hate repeating myself. I see it as a waste of time to retype something I've already posted.

When that happens to me I try to go through a posters history to see if I can find a previous post where they had already explained their train of thought / stance

Thats fine, but he is literally spamming them going through the thread and spamming them on anyone that he perceives slights Dion. Does the same thing in the game thread.

He must have hit me two dozen times in the last 3 days.

 

[Splitz]

TT and Dion were two extremely odd picks and that's not even Monday Morning quarterbacking, that's just how it was at the time as well. If you didn't intend on this team to make Dion a PG then I think it was a pointless experiment. He had his best stretch as a pro in that role, without Kyrie Irving. I don't think there was much room for him to succeed here. I mean, he is a bit of a toolbox but I foresee this being a pretty rewarding return for OKC. That situation fits him a lot better and I think finally utilizes his strengths.

With regard to TT, love the guy, all heart and determination. Limited skillset but to me, he's just like Love. He's another guy that I think would benefit tremendously from having some sort of a legitimate Center on this team. If we do somehow land a Center, I am confident that there are guys out there that could fill TT's role. We don't need a scorer at the position. We don't need to be spending that amount of money on one. We also don't need to powder Lebron's balls because he has interest in keeping TT. We just need somebody that hustles and rebounds.

 

[Jack Brickman]

If we could get a Dion like haul for him as sellers start selling before the deadline, I say we jump on that now (With Brons ummmm... blessing of course)

Yeah, if we could flip Thompson for two comparably good players and a first-rounder (which is what we got for Dion), I would definitely do it. He's just a tougher sell because he's up for a new contract this summer, whereas Dion had another year to go, which was part of the appeal to the cheapskate Thunder who are going to let Jackson walk this summer (or trade him for cheaper parts).

 

[KB]

Thats fine, but he is literally spamming them going through the thread and spamming them on anyone that he perceives slights Dion. Does the same thing in the game thread.

He must have hit me two dozen times in the last 3 days.

Yeah, I have agree. When an action reaches that point it's starting to become slightly trollish and a bit comical

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

There are currently 2 players in the league who grab 3.7 or more ORB per game, shoot 53.5% from the floor, and score at least 9.6 points per game. Tyson Chandler and Tristan Thompson. Cut out the FG% limitation and there are just 4 players in the league who grab ORBs like Tristan while still scoring at a fair clip. Chandler, Tristan, Drummond, and Zach Randolph. You guys keep on telling yourself what Tristan provides is easily replaceable.

But I can put 2 big men together and have 12 fouls instead of 6, and get 40 minutes and the same type of production AND limitations for less than what it will take to retain him.

From this past summer, for example, give me Ed Davis, Kris Humphries, DeJuan Blair, Jordan Hill, Lavoy Allen, Trevor Booker, Spencer Hawes, Darrel Arthur, Patrick Patterson, Josh McRoberts, Jason SMith... you could possibly give me 3 of those guys for the 12-14 it may cost to keep Tristan.

And heres the next argument against him... those same crop of guys will be available again this summer, and the next and the next.

2 or 3 of them

Same cost, same production, more depth.

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

NO more of me derailing this thread for TT, but the harsh reality we just came to on Dion, we should come to on Tristan as well.

Win now, we have the top 3 all maxed, now lets build depth and versatility that compliments those 3. Tristan clogs both LBJ and Loves game/lanes while not complimenting them on D.

Next

 

[Jack Brickman]

I was really disappointed we didn't go hard after Ed Davis, but he may have wanted to go somewhere where he thought he could get minutes (and, thus, possibly pave way to a bigger contract), so maybe he wasn't really considering us.

 

[BimboColesHair]

But I can put 2 big men together and have 12 fouls instead of 6, and get 40 minutes and the same type of production AND limitations for less than what it will take to retain him.

From this past summer, for example, give me Ed Davis, Kris Humphries, DeJuan Blair, Jordan Hill, Lavoy Allen, Trevor Booker, Spencer Hawes, Darrel Arthur, Patrick Patterson, Josh McRoberts, Jason SMith... you could possibly give me 3 of those guys for the 12-14 it may cost to keep Tristan.

And heres the next argument against him... those same crop of guys will be available again this summer, and the next and the next.

2 or 3 of them

Same cost, same production, more depth.

See, I knew you'd bring up pay. I didn't bring up pay at all, that's why I didn't reply to you, but I knew you'd respond for some reason. Go read the post I replied too. Someone said Tarik Black could replace all of what Tristan can provide. One player can provide all of what Tristan gives us on a nightly basis. That is what I replied too. You just took it to a different place completely.

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

See, I knew you'd bring up pay. I didn't bringing up pay at all, that's why I didn't reply to you, but I knew you'd respond for some reason. Go read the post I replied too. Someone said Tarik Black could replace all of what Tristan can provide. One player can provide all of what Tristan gives us on a nightly basis. That is what I replied too. You just took it to a different place completely.

Ummm... Pay matters. Cap matters.

You could have 4 Tariq Blacks for what it costs to have 1 Tristan right now. 4 Tariq Black level players with 24 fouls easily replaces what Tristan can.

You are missing the biggest reason TT needs moving if you arent understanding pay.

He's not the malcontent that Dion was, and he doesnt throw off the team chemistry as a person... but he needs to be paid and throws off the chemistry on the court and in the cap world after this summer. Any discussion about him has to include his pending presence on the cap relative to his value to the team

 

[BimboColesHair]

Ummm... Pay matters. Cap matters.

You could have 4 Tariq Blacks for what it costs to have 1 Tristan right now. 4 Tariq Black level players with 24 fouls easily replaces what Tristan can.

You are missing the biggest reason TT needs moving if you arent understanding pay.

He's not the malcontent that Dion was, and he doesnt throw off the team chemistry as a person... but he needs to be paid and throws off the chemistry on the court and in the cap world after this summer. Any discussion about him has to include his pending presence on the cap relative to his value to the team

Jesus, Rch, I know pay matters, but that's not what I was getting at. All I was doing is dispelling some guys post that said ONE Tarik Black can do what ONE Tristan Thompson can do. That is all I was doing. You're taking it somewhere else.

 

[The Oi]

Red.

Fair warning. I am "disagreeing" with every single post you make on this site as long as the feature exists. That is like 35 from you with absolutely no debate to follow. Nothing wrong with a "disagree" and healthy debate. However, you contribute nothing.

Cheers, and...

He can't see it unless you do this:
@red.

 

[spydy13]

We also don't need to powder Lebron's balls because he has interest in keeping TT.

Just because LeBron wants him to get paid doesn't mean we have to be the one that does it. LeBron should realize that it would be better for the team to split up that money.

I get him being pissed if we did him like Miami and didn't spend the money, but I'm sure we will. We just need to do it more wisely, which means drafting a guy like Robert Upshaw (who could replace what TT does) and then spending the rest of the money on resigning Shump and paying whoever we plan to get with the Haywood deal.

EDIT: Not at all disagreeing with you. Just adding more reasons for why I agree.