Early 22 GM Thread! (Trade Ideas here)

[CATS44]

Morgan is anything but a "proven 5th starter", and I wouldn't choose him over anyone without seeing them pitch first. Eli can cut himself a role out with a major league club, but it probably won't be one with the SP depth like Cleveland has.

@CATS44 Battenfield was pitching well before being traded and has continued to do so after being traded. He's logged 103 innings this year, striking out 131 batters while walking 19. His ERA is 2.53 and his WHIP is .83. Pilkington has logged 100 innings this season, striking out 120 while walking 39. His ERA is 3.04 and his WHIP is .99. LT Allen has thrown 60 innings in Akron this season, striking out 76 batters while walking 13. His ERA is 2.85 and his WHIP is .88. After that there is all of Cantillo, Curry, and Burns that could see time in Cleveland's rotation before the end of the season if the opportunities present themselves(hopefully they do not).

That's not to say these guys are sure things by any stretch of the imagination, but they damn well have better stuff and bigger upsides than Morgan.

Edited to say that I don't think Plesac will be traded this offseason for a couple of reasons. 1. He can build a lot more value with some steady starts uninterrupted by a silly, self induced injury and 2. It gives the young guys I mentioned time to log some innings in Columbus.

I agree.

Morgan is where he is on the depth chart, because he has seniority. The only reason he got to Cleveland is because of an emergency...not because he had the best future.

 

[CDAV45]

I agree.

Morgan is where he is on the depth chart, because he has seniority. The only reason he got to Cleveland is because of an emergency...not because he had the best future.

Thing is I appreciate what Eli can do and I don't think he's trash. This is more to do with the quality SP depth that Cleveland has than it does with Eli's limitations.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Aaron Civale and Zach Plesac traded?..for "a" hard hitting OF'er? Perhaps you might clarify this comment?..

Perhaps there is a tie in to the CBA that makes this path more likely?.. IDK..

Not both of them. But I think Plesac is likely to be traded. I'd consider Civale if the return for him would be significantly better than the return for Plesac. As for a target, I would investigate the names that appear on this board; Winker, Reynolds, Marte, Haniger. If San Diego misses the playoffs I'm sure they would be anxious. The Angels should be desperate for a deal. Chernoff will pick up the phone and see who wants to dance. Salaries shouldn't be a huge hangup because the Guards should significantly increase the payroll.
By mid season 2022 I'd expect another name from the system to be joining the rotation. That's what we do best.

 

[sportscoach]

I agree.

Morgan is where he is on the depth chart, because he has seniority. The only reason he got to Cleveland is because of an emergency...not because he had the best future.

So a mid 4 ERA and FIP is someone who is irrelevant except when injuries happen? His last 9 starts have had a mid 4 era, over 5 innings per start... isn't that what your number 5 starter is supposed to do?

 

[Gson]

Not both of them. But I think Plesac is likely to be traded. I'd consider Civale if the return for him would be significantly better than the return for Plesac. As for a target, I would investigate the names that appear on this board; Winker, Reynolds, Marte, Haniger. If San Diego misses the playoffs I'm sure they would be anxious. The Angels should be desperate for a deal. Chernoff will pick up the phone and see who wants to dance. Salaries shouldn't be a huge hangup because the Guards should significantly increase the payroll.
By mid season 2022 I'd expect another name from the system to be joining the rotation. That's what we do best.

Interesting that you'd chose LAA...

Earlier to day.. going through an excersize on who might be targeted by CA/MC.. LAA was one of the three teams I selected. Using the BTV site for value determination... [..it's not great..but it's something..] Jo Adell, Ky Bush and Jordyn Adams (as a deeper prospect) would satisfy the need for an OF'er.. a LHRP and a deep prospect who could meet the current and future needs of the Guardians.. These three guys have a combined BTV value of 26.2.. If Zach Plesac along with a prospect such as Peyton Battenfield are returned (a combined BTV value of 26.3).. would this be akin/like what you're referring to?..

Does the last three weeks of Jo Adell's performance along with his prospect pedigree give you a warm and comforting feeling that he may be exactly the kind of suspect turned prospect the Guardians can afford to take a risk on?..

I think so.. do you?..

 

[CDAV45]

So a mid 4 ERA and FIP is someone who is irrelevant except when injuries happen? His last 9 starts have had a mid 4 era, over 5 innings per start... isn't that what your number 5 starter is supposed to do?

For the typical organization that is probably true, but not for the Guardians my friend. Their 1-5 will be anything but typical because they have done a fantastic job recognizing, acquiring, and developing SP talent.

 

[CDAV45]

Interesting that you'd chose LAA...

Earlier to day.. going through an excersize on who might be targeted by CA/MC.. LAA was one of the three teams I selected. Using the BTV site for value determination... [..it's not great..but it's something..] Jo Adell, Ky Bush and Jordyn Adams (as a deeper prospect) would satisfy the need for an OF'er.. a LHRP and a deep prospect who could meet the current and future needs of the Guardians.. These three guys have a combined BTV value of 26.2.. If Zach Plesac along with a prospect such as Peyton Battenfield are returned (a combined BTV value of 26.3).. would this be akin/like what you're referring to?..

Does the last three weeks of Jo Adell's performance along with his prospect pedigree give you a warm and comforting feeling that he may be exactly the kind of suspect turned prospect the Guardians can afford to take a risk on?..

I think so.. do you?..

Awhile back I mentioned targeting Stassi and Adell. The risk is certainly there for Adell and I have little to no argument for those who would prefer to leave him alone. The Angels have an overabundance of OF so something has to give.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Interesting that you'd chose LAA...

Earlier to day.. going through an excersize on who might be targeted by CA/MC.. LAA was one of the three teams I selected. Using the BTV site for value determination... [..it's not great..but it's something..] Jo Adell, Ky Bush and Jordyn Adams (as a deeper prospect) would satisfy the need for an OF'er.. a LHRP and a deep prospect who could meet the current and future needs of the Guardians.. These three guys have a combined BTV value of 26.2.. If Zach Plesac along with a prospect such as Peyton Battenfield are returned (a combined BTV value of 26.3).. would this be akin/like what you're referring to?..

Does the last three weeks of Jo Adell's performance along with his prospect pedigree give you a warm and comforting feeling that he may be exactly the kind of suspect turned prospect the Guardians can afford to take a risk on?..

I think so.. do you?..

Adell may have turned the corner. But to me, not as valuable as a more experienced proven major league bat. For the most part, I trust our talent evaluation. The only trade I can think of that we got snookered on was Yandy for Bauers.
The big thing is though that many teams overpay for pitching. Remember when the Rays traded Chris Archer to the Pirates for Glasnow, Meadows, and Baz? I'm sure the Pirates have second thoughts now.

 

[sportscoach]

For the typical organization that is probably true, but not for the Guardians my friend. Their 1-5 will be anything but typical because they have done a fantastic job recognizing, acquiring, and developing SP talent.

But to say he is not a BOR type of SP, is underestimating what he can do. His numbers are saying he is...

 

[Gson]

Awhile back I mentioned targeting Stassi and Adell. The risk is certainly there for Adell and I have little to no argument for those who would prefer to leave him alone. The Angels have an overabundance of OF so something has to give.

Yeah.. I seem to recall the conversation(s) about Adell.. The Angels need for SP's is approaching desperation.. It looks like Ohtani is going to have to give up the dream of being a two way player.. too much risk involved.. we'll see on that....

 

[sportscoach]

Yeah.. I seem to recall the conversation(s) about Adell.. The Angels need for SP's is approaching desperation.. It looks like Ohtani is going to have to give up the dream of being a two way player.. too much risk involved.. we'll see on that....

I can see Otani doing like 15-20 pitching starts a season, but he won't be a 30 game starter...They badly need SPs, I just am not 100% fond of anyone they can offer..

 

[Gson]

Adell may have turned the corner. But to me, not as valuable as a more experienced proven major league bat. For the most part, I trust our talent evaluation. The only trade I can think of that we got snookered on was Yandy for Bauers.
The big thing is though that many teams overpay for pitching. Remember when the Rays traded Chris Archer to the Pirates for Glasnow, Meadows, and Baz? I'm sure the Pirates have second thoughts now.

Trout, Upton, Fletcher and Rendon are who they have that meet this description.. is one of these guys who you're focusing on?.. they're all kind of pricey, too..

 

[Gson]

Looking at some stories being bandied about as the season winds down.. there appears to be a couple of teams who are poised to make significant changes to their Major League club..

The Oakland Athletics may be conducting the biggest fire sale.. The A's have a dual purpose to the sale... Their minor league system is one of the worst in all of MiLB.. There is virtually no one that may be of interest to any other ML club.. The parent club, however, has some guys that can / will help just about any club.. including the Guardians.. They have two ML SP's who would fit onto just about any team.. They have two "foundation" corner IF'ers that they are going to be putting on the block along with some "other" players with the caveat that the A's may try to extend some of these guys.. It isn't unlikely for the A's to claim they cannot afford to extend & will seek the best MiLB groupings offered that give them a chance to compete for the AL West inside of two years.... No, you're not seeing anything new here.. this is the same or similar to the strategy the Guardians have followed for years, now..

The guy who may interest the Guarians most may be Matt Olson.. their hard hitting all star 1B.. He would have the most expensive years of arbitration but would dovetail soooo nicely into a top of the order: Myles Straw, Matt Olson, a retained Jose Ramirez, and Franmil Reyes.. Squeeze in Amed or Zim into the two hole pending handedness of the opposing pitcher and the lineup is lengthened even further..

btw.. the only prospect that may be of interest to the Guardians w/ the A's is Tyler Soderstrom.. he'd be uber expensive.. but could be part of a larger deal or multi-team deal.. As a younger prospect. Soderstrom is easily two to four years away from being a ML catcher.. if he stay behind the plate.. time will tell...

So, if JRam is retained.. any interest in selling some prospect capital for Matt Olson?.. Thoughts?..

 

[sportscoach]

Looking at some stories being bandied about as the season winds down.. there appears to be a couple of teams who are poised to make significant changes to their Major League club..

The Oakland Athletics may be conducting the biggest fire sale.. The A's have a dual purpose to the sale... Their minor league system is one of the worst in all of MiLB.. There is virtually no one that may be of interest to any other ML club.. The parent club, however, has some guys that can / will help just about any club.. including the Guardians.. They have two ML SP's who would fit onto just about any team.. They have two "foundation" corner IF'ers that they are going to be putting on the block along with some "other" players with the caveat that the A's may try to extend some of these guys.. It isn't unlikely for the A's to claim they cannot afford to extend & will seek the best MiLB groupings offered that give them a chance to compete for the AL West inside of two years.... No, you're not seeing anything new here.. this is the same or similar to the strategy the Guardians have followed for years, now..

The guy who may interest the Guarians most may be Matt Olson.. their hard hitting all star 1B.. He would have the most expensive years of arbitration but would dovetail soooo nicely into a top of the order: Myles Straw, Matt Olson, a retained Jose Ramirez, and Franmil Reyes.. Squeeze in Amed or Zim into the two hole pending handedness of the opposing pitcher and the lineup is lengthened even further..

btw.. the only prospect that may be of interest to the Guardians w/ the A's is Tyler Soderstrom.. he'd be uber expensive.. but could be part of a larger deal or multi-team deal.. As a younger prospect. Soderstrom is easily two to four years away from being a ML catcher.. if he stay behind the plate.. time will tell...

So, if JRam is retained.. any interest in selling some prospect capital for Matt Olson?.. Thoughts?..

If we thought we could win it all in 22/23 and we went and got Olson, I'd be so okay with it... If we can get both Marte and Olson without getting rid of too many good prospects, I think we would be golden for winning ya know?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Looking at some stories being bandied about as the season winds down.. there appears to be a couple of teams who are poised to make significant changes to their Major League club..

The Oakland Athletics may be conducting the biggest fire sale.. The A's have a dual purpose to the sale... Their minor league system is one of the worst in all of MiLB.. There is virtually no one that may be of interest to any other ML club.. The parent club, however, has some guys that can / will help just about any club.. including the Guardians.. They have two ML SP's who would fit onto just about any team.. They have two "foundation" corner IF'ers that they are going to be putting on the block along with some "other" players with the caveat that the A's may try to extend some of these guys.. It isn't unlikely for the A's to claim they cannot afford to extend & will seek the best MiLB groupings offered that give them a chance to compete for the AL West inside of two years.... No, you're not seeing anything new here.. this is the same or similar to the strategy the Guardians have followed for years, now..

The guy who may interest the Guarians most may be Matt Olson.. their hard hitting all star 1B.. He would have the most expensive years of arbitration but would dovetail soooo nicely into a top of the order: Myles Straw, Matt Olson, a retained Jose Ramirez, and Franmil Reyes.. Squeeze in Amed or Zim into the two hole pending handedness of the opposing pitcher and the lineup is lengthened even further..

btw.. the only prospect that may be of interest to the Guardians w/ the A's is Tyler Soderstrom.. he'd be uber expensive.. but could be part of a larger deal or multi-team deal.. As a younger prospect. Soderstrom is easily two to four years away from being a ML catcher.. if he stay behind the plate.. time will tell...

So, if JRam is retained.. any interest in selling some prospect capital for Matt Olson?.. Thoughts?..

I'd love Olson. But I think the price in prospects might be something like Espino and Valera. I don't have the kahones to do that.
However, BTV says Plesac and Nolan Jones might be it done. I'd rather do that one.