Early 22 projected roster!

[DCTribefan]

A theoretical question with two premises...

1) We do not have the 14 prospects under debate for addition to the 40 man.

No Freeman
Valera
Rocchio
Lavastida
Palacios
Pilkington
Morris
Cantillo
Benson
Gonzalez
Tena
Noel
Scott
Kwan

They aren't in our system in our system.

2) But we do have Bryan Reynolds and Cedric Mullens.

Is the org better situated? Is the team better off over the next three or four years?

Its a two part question, and I will make the argument for...second part first.

No doubt that the team is better off for several years. Having both Reynolds and Mullins makes this a powerful team...probably the fav in the A L Central, and among the few elite teams in baseball.

Now, is the org in a better situation?

We would have an outstanding OF under control for four years with an outstanding very good rotation under control for at least four years, with the exception of Bieber, who has three years of control left.

Our payroll would be less than it is this year. The total cost of our three OFs would be about $3 mil less than we paid Eddie...and we'd still have the likely $10 mil payroll increase to spend.

We would still have 5 MLB ready MIFs in Amed, Gimenez, Arias, Miller, and Clement...all but Amed under control for at least four years. Two of them would be in Columbus.

The Columbus rotation would probably be Moss, Morgan, Battenfield, Allen Jr, and a filler like McCarty, Stephans, or even Peacock.

The Akron rotation would be something like Espino, Burns, Gaddis, Curry, filler.

Vargas, Hankins, Torres, and Casetta-Stubbs will be worked in somewhere when they are ready.

We still have Jones, Martinez, and Bo Naylor among position prospects. We don't have a close to ready OF prospect, but we won't need one for years.

Zimmer and/or Mercado would look a lot better as backup OFs on this team than they do as part of the wishing and hoping gang.

With the present cost savings and projectable payroll for at least three years, the org is in better position to make extension offers to Jose, Biebs, and Franmil.

We have three possibilities for 1B in Bradley, Naylor, and Jones. Every position is covered. The only real organizational weakness is a lack of catching prospects beyond Bo Naylor.

The pen still has its core of Clase, Karinchak, Sandlin...and IMO Wittgren. It also has Mejia-Allen-Hentges, who are now relieved of having to work as starters, and we can keep Francisco Perez. We also have payroll space to add a vet or two.

Wed also have money to add a significant piece at the deadline.


Now, this is all theoretical. It didn't happen, and it won't happen.

But if we had made a vast overpay...fourteen for two...we would be in better shape to contend, without killing the future. A future with Jose extended and this outfield would look a lot better than with the 14 prospects, esp since we are probably gonna lose half of them anyway, either to Rule Five or normal prospect attrition.

You lost me at they aren’t in our system.

 

[bigfoot5415]

Wait. So rule 5 can literally be any signed prospect in our system? So we have to select our big league roster plus the top 14 prospects? Everyone else is fair game?

 

[MadThinker88]

Wait. So rule 5 can literally be any signed prospect in our system? So we have to select our big league roster plus the top 14 prospects? Everyone else is fair game?

No..

Quick & dirty to explain eligibility: Players eligible for the R5 are those that had 4 years in the system (if age 19 or older when 1st signed to a professional contract) or 5 years (if age 18 or younger when 1st signed to a professional contract).

 

[sportscoach]

Wait. So rule 5 can literally be any signed prospect in our system? So we have to select our big league roster plus the top 14 prospects? Everyone else is fair game?

No, I think all this discussion has gotten you confused...

Minor league players become Rule 5 eligible, if they are not on the 40 man roster by a certain time. If you were drafted from college it's after your 4th minor league season and if you were sign internationally or drafted from high school it's after your 5th minor league year. The first year is the season you are signed or drafted even if you don't play any.

Edit: Then if a team has a spot open on their 40 man roster they can draft a player who is eligible at the Rule 5 draft, but they have to be kept on the 26 man roster the whole season or offered back to their original team.

It essentially was designed so teams cannot just horde the best young talents...

 

[bigfoot5415]

No, I think all this discussion has gotten you confused...

Minor league players become Rule 5 eligible, if they are not on the 40 man roster by a certain time. If you were drafted from college it's after your 4th minor league season and if you were sign internationally or drafted from high school it's after your 5th minor league year. The first year is the season you are signed or drafted even if you don't play any.

No..

Quick & dirty to explain eligibility: Players eligible for the R5 are those that had 4 years in the system (if age 19 or older when 1st signed to a professional contract) or 5 years (if age 18 or younger when 1st signed to a professional contract).

Thanks guys!

 

[CDAV45]

Wasn't sure where to post this and I didn't want to start another thread. Has the Cleveland organization positioned itself to deal another SP before the start of the 22 season? I'm not suggesting they should or shouldn't, but the depth is impressive. That depth is also important too, as we're sure to have a SP or 3 miss some starts, but Cody Morris looks like a prime candidate for a promotion. They have all of Hentges, Mejia, Allen, Garza, and Morgan that can immediately step in. They may choose to send Stephan to Columbus in order to stretch him out for a starting role, especially with the recent development of his split change. We have Battenfield, Pilkington, Cantillo, LT Allen, and Burns all throwing well. Shortly thereafter we have Espino, Torres, Hankins, Curry, Wolf, and Vargas. Nikhazy is a polished college arm that could follow the same path as LT Allen and Burns. I suspect that the only thing that will slow Williams down is his innings limit.

Maybe I'm being a homer, but not only is there SP depth, the quality of it seems to be fantastic. Look forward to hearing what you fine folks think.

 

[sportscoach]

Wasn't sure where to post this and I didn't want to start another thread. Has the Cleveland organization positioned itself to deal another SP before the start of the 22 season? I'm not suggesting they should or shouldn't, but the depth is impressive. That depth is also important too, as we're sure to have a SP or 3 miss some starts, but Cody Morris looks like a prime candidate for a promotion. They have all of Hentges, Mejia, Allen, Garza, and Morgan that can immediately step in. They may choose to send Stephan to Columbus in order to stretch him out for a starting role, especially with the recent development of his split change. We have Battenfield, Pilkington, Cantillo, LT Allen, and Burns all throwing well. Shortly thereafter we have Espino, Torres, Hankins, Curry, Wolf, and Vargas. Nikhazy is a polished college arm that could follow the same path as LT Allen and Burns. I suspect that the only thing that will slow Williams down is his innings limit.

Maybe I'm being a homer, but not only is there SP depth, the quality of it seems to be fantastic. Look forward to hearing what you fine folks think.

When it comes to rumors/info, Plesac isn't considered a long term piece, but he won't be in arbitration until 23...

My guess would be if we decide to move someone, it will be Plesac. We don't need prospects back, we need a bat. So who do you think we could get back for Plesac?

 

[DerekG123]

No..

Quick & dirty to explain eligibility: Players eligible for the R5 are those that had 4 years in the system (if age 19 or older when 1st signed to a professional contract) or 5 years (if age 18 or younger when 1st signed to a professional contract).

Imo there should be a year added to players signed under age 18 or 17.

 

[CDAV45]

When it comes to rumors/info, Plesac isn't considered a long term piece, but he won't be in arbitration until 23...

My guess would be if we decide to move someone, it will be Plesac. We don't need prospects back, we need a bat. So who do you think we could get back for Plesac?

If they decide to move a SP I agree that it's likely Plesac. I also agree that they won't be looking for multiple prospects in return. They'll be looking to get a bat or 2 that is ready for an opportunity or 1 that is established. IMO of course.

As far as who they could get back.....I have no idea honestly.

 

[sportscoach]

If they decide to move a SP I agree that it's likely Plesac. I also agree that they won't be looking for multiple prospects in return. They'll be looking to get a bat or 2 that is ready for an opportunity or 1 that is established. IMO of course.

As far as who they could get back.....I have no idea honestly.

I almost think it would be Plesac plus a prospect or two for a bat... Someone high ranking in a sense...

 

[Gson]

I almost think it would be Plesac plus a prospect or two for a bat... Someone high ranking in a sense...

The recent trade of Trea Turner and Scherzer from the Nats to the Dodgers brought back the best catching prospect not named Bart.. leaving their former catcher of the future to tried at 1B.. LF.. someplace.. There is very little doubt Riley Adams would become the Indians best prospect/defensive catcher the day he arrives.. and the Nationals received a premium SP prospect in Josiah Gray to pair with their best SP prospect in a decade in Cade Cavalli.. leaving one other guy, Jackson Rutledge, as third choice.. While still not a bad choice.. but he's the kind of SP prospect that might end up as the most formidable addition to the Indians bullpen.. right now..

Cobbling together a deal.. that suits more than one need.. could be considered?

thoughts?

 

[CDAV45]

I almost think it would be Plesac plus a prospect or two for a bat... Someone high ranking in a sense...

You could be right. I don't even feel comfortable speculating and that should speak volumes.

 

[sportscoach]

The recent trade of Trea Turner and Scherzer from the Nats to the Dodgers brought back the best catching prospect not named Bart.. leaving their former catcher of the future to tried at 1B.. LF.. someplace.. There is very little doubt Riley Adams would become the Indians best prospect/defensive catcher the day he arrives.. and the Nationals received a premium SP prospect in Josiah Gray to pair with their best SP prospect in a decade in Cade Cavalli.. leaving one other guy, Jackson Rutledge, as third choice.. While still not a bad choice.. but he's the kind of SP prospect that might end up as the most formidable addition to the Indians bullpen.. right now..

Cobbling together a deal.. that suits more than one need.. could be considered?

thoughts?

You are overrating Riley Adams at the current moment.... Look at his minor league numbers, Lavastida is a better catcher overall in my mind.

We also need to cut the amount of players we have technically not increase them as well. We could easily do a swap package in a sense...

San Fran needs a long term SP, but technically we don't need Bart, we need a Reynolds... So why not mix and match.... Doing a three way trade between the Indians, San Fran and Pittsburgh...

Pirates get: C Bart (SF) 1B/3B/OF Nolan Jones (Cle) SP Sean Hjelle (SF) OF Daniel Johnson (Cle)

Cleveland gets: LF Reynolds (Pit) Util Brett Auerbach (SF) PTBNL (PIT)

San Fran gets: SP Zach Plesac (Cle) INF Jose Tena (CLE)

How would something like that work?

 

[Gson]

You are overrating Riley Adams at the current moment.... Look at his minor league numbers, Lavastida is a better catcher overall in my mind.

We also need to cut the amount of players we have technically not increase them as well. We could easily do a swap package in a sense...

San Fran needs a long term SP, but technically we don't need Bart, we need a Reynolds... So why not mix and match.... Doing a three way trade between the Indians, San Fran and Pittsburgh...

Pirates get: C Bart (SF) 1B/3B/OF Nolan Jones (Cle) SP Sean Hjelle (SF) OF Daniel Johnson (Cle)

Cleveland gets: LF Reynolds (Pit) Util Brett Auerbach (SF) PTBNL (PIT)

San Fran gets: SP Zach Plesac (Cle) INF Jose Tena (CLE)

How would something like that work?

Look closer...

...and I'd adjust your complex three way deal.. significantly..

 

[xmasbuck]

If they decide to move a SP I agree that it's likely Plesac. I also agree that they won't be looking for multiple prospects in return. They'll be looking to get a bat or 2 that is ready for an opportunity or 1 that is established. IMO of course.

As far as who they could get back.....I have no idea honestly.

idk coach, hopefully they're saying how can we improve the major league roster now -- and not, hey let's dump some starting pitching