Early 22 projected roster!

[Mott the Hoople]

Maybe something like this I just validated on BTV.
Guardians get Reds OF Jesse Winker.
Reds get Plesac and SS AGimenez.
That's actually a slight overpay by the G's.

Big trades are easy when you give up a SP.

 

[Criznit]

Maybe something like this I just validated on BTV.
Guardians get Reds OF Jesse Winker.
Reds get Plesac and SS AGimenez.
That's actually a slight overpay by the G's.

Big trades are easy when you give up a SP.

The Reds would laugh at that deal. Winker is a top 10ish NL talent under control until 2024. No way that is an overpay. That site is good at times but, no this time.

Current line:

109 G

481PA

420AB

77R

129H

32 2B

1 3B

24 HR

71 RBI

1 SB

0 CS

53 BB

75 K

.307

.395

.560

.955

143 OPS+

 

[Mott the Hoople]

The Reds would laugh at that deal. Winker is a top 10ish NL talent under control until 2024. No way that is an overpay. That site is good at times but, no this time.

Current line:

109 G

481PA

420AB

77R

129H

32 2B

1 3B

24 HR

71 RBI

1 SB

0 CS

53 BB

75 K

.307

.395

.560

.955

143 OPS+

Ok. Plesac and Rocchio. Or Plesac and ARosario. But that one would hurt.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

The Reds would laugh at that deal. Winker is a top 10ish NL talent under control until 2024. No way that is an overpay. That site is good at times but, no this time.

Current line:

109 G

481PA

420AB

77R

129H

32 2B

1 3B

24 HR

71 RBI

1 SB

0 CS

53 BB

75 K

.307

.395

.560

.955

143 OPS+

Ok. Plesac and Rocchio. Or Plesac and ARosario. But that one would hurt

 

[sportscoach]

Look closer...

...and I'd adjust your complex three way deal.. significantly..

Lavastida is a better overall catcher than Adams in my mind. Remember the year lost for Covid is way more significant for a guy who is three years younger and a better athlete as well, but with little actual in game experience as a catcher. The games batting wise are way different as well.

Lavastida was a 15th round draft pick, played 10 games at Wisconsin before we signed him. Only one of them was at catcher... He has shown a much better range than Adams and Lavastida's hitting game is more of a contact/take pitches approach while Adams game is more of a SO, BB or Extra base hit. He isn't a good average guy in the minors...

Lavastida and Miller have a lot in common batting style wise in the minors and honestly if Lavastida can stay to his guns and not press, he likely will bat .270 range with a lower slg%. While having a significantly better range behind the plate than Adams.

 

[CATS44]

If we want Reynolds, we will have to pay and pay and pay...and one of our fringe players won't be part of it.

Pittsburgh picks their version of our top ten prospects.

They choose one, we pull back three. They pick another, we pull back three. They get the last two.

We then get one of their top five prospects that is R5 eligible. We make the list, they pick the prospect.

Make any list you want.

Wed lose something like...

Espino
Naylor
Tena
Gimenez

We would get Reynolds and perhaps Thomas Swaggerty, a former 1st round CF, who recently had shoulder surgery.

 

[xmasbuck]

The Reds would laugh at that deal. Winker is a top 10ish NL talent under control until 2024. No way that is an overpay. That site is good at times but, no this time.

I think the Reds would laugh at that deal also - but be sure to consider the "entire" jesse winker - a savant v rh pitching - v lefties 176/288/284/572 - plus you gotta throw in that he's in the discussion for worst lf in the game

if castellanos opts in, perhaps the reds would talk about a winker deal - they're high on barreo as ss of the future - theyre in pretty good shape with starting pitching at the major league level and could well prefer to look at adding lodolo and or greene from the minors instead of a guy like plesac

 

[sportscoach]

If we want Reynolds, we will have to pay and pay and pay...and one of our fringe players won't be part of it.

Pittsburgh picks their version of our top ten prospects.

They choose one, we pull back three. They pick another, we pull back three. They get the last two.

We then get one of their top five prospects that is R5 eligible. We make the list, they pick the prospect.

Make any list you want.

Wed lose something like...

Espino
Naylor
Tena
Gimenez

We would get Reynolds and perhaps Thomas Swaggerty, a former 1st round CF, who recently had shoulder surgery.

My trade Scenario got them 2 top 100 prospects, plus 2 more prospects that can play now in 22... If we include a third team like San Fran and they get Bart and Jones in the deal for Reynolds plus a SP and OF prospect, I think they plus in the end.

 

[thestatman]

The Reds would laugh at that deal. Winker is a top 10ish NL talent under control until 2024. No way that is an overpay. That site is good at times but, no this time.

Current line:

109 G

481PA

420AB

77R

129H

32 2B

1 3B

24 HR

71 RBI

1 SB

0 CS

53 BB

75 K

.307

.395

.560

.955

143 OPS+

Throw in Nolan Jones and perhaps Halpin or Brennan and it might fly. Would love to land Winker.

 

[CATS44]

My trade Scenario got them 2 top 100 prospects, plus 2 more prospects that can play now in 22... If we include a third team like San Fran and they get Bart and Jones in the deal for Reynolds plus a SP and OF prospect, I think they plus in the end.

At first glance, this is a solid deal for everybody...but only if you dont consider the roster implications.

First, lets erase the non factors....Johnson and Aurbach. Neither move the needle for anybody.

Pittsburgh is facing the same 40 man crunch that we are. This trade would make it worse. They would drop one, but add three that have to be added. So from the Pirates view, they would have to add in the cost of prospects that could be lost in R5, plus the cost of younger players that would have to be DFAd.

From SFs side, its a solid trade...a young, established SP with some upside and a decent MIF prospect for an excess catching prospect and a decent SP prospect. Of course, it depends upon how SF rates Plesac and Hjelles.

From our point of view, we get our targeted need in spades. The cost is a quality, cheap SP, a top five prospect who we don't need, and an excess decent MIF prospect. It also really helps our roster crunch...gaining one, but losing three. IF the FO truly thinks that it has a young SP that can seamlessly move to the rotation, without negatively effecting depth, this is a winning trade.

Wed be looking at Allen, Morgan, or Morris to replace Plesac. It appears as a gamble with decent odds.

If Plesac can be replaced immediately, this trade would make the Guardians the division fav, as things stand right now.

In the end, I don't think that package would pry Reynolds away.

 

[sportscoach]

At first glance, this is a solid deal for everybody...but only if you dont consider the roster implications.

First, lets erase the non factors....Johnson and Aurbach. Neither move the needle for anybody.

Pittsburgh is facing the same 40 man crunch that we are. This trade would make it worse. They would drop one, but add three that have to be added. So from the Pirates view, they would have to add in the cost of prospects that could be lost in R5, plus the cost of younger players that would have to be DFAd.

From SFs side, its a solid trade...a young, established SP with some upside and a decent MIF prospect for an excess catching prospect and a decent SP prospect. Of course, it depends upon how SF rates Plesac and Hjelles.

From our point of view, we get our targeted need in spades. The cost is a quality, cheap SP, a top five prospect who we don't need, and an excess decent MIF prospect. It also really helps our roster crunch...gaining one, but losing three. IF the FO truly thinks that it has a young SP that can seamlessly move to the rotation, without negatively effecting depth, this is a winning trade.

Wed be looking at Allen, Morgan, or Morris to replace Plesac. It appears as a gamble with decent odds.

If Plesac can be replaced immediately, this trade would make the Guardians the division fav, as things stand right now.

In the end, I don't think that package would pry Reynolds away.

Pirates have a few more guys to trade like Moran as well, so they would be able to find the space for the players who would play right away for them.

I agree I think the deal is a little light for the Pirates so they may not be willing to take it, but in theory, having 3 pretty much MLB ready rookies and a MLB ready SP for one player could net a better overall roster.

San Fran may want to keep Hjelle as well since he is on the MLB cusp, so maybe Pittsburgh could get a higher rated SP that's farther away from the pros? San Fran needs MIF talent, so a guy like Tena, makes a ton of sense for a roster who has older players at pretty much all their INF positions.

 

[DCTribefan]

Went to this thread to read roster projections but instead subjected yet again to wild trade speculation. Thought we already had a trade thread?

 

[sportscoach]

Will his defense at SS not improve? Will he not be moved to 2B where his defense may dramatically increase? I can't honestly answer those questions Coach, but Amed is a spark plug and one of the most valuable players this season for us. I'm not moving him for equal value, but that's just my opinion.

@CATS44 @DCTribefan

He's not a good SS and I doubt he will be a good 2B cause of the same reasons why he isn't a good 2B. He's probably going to be best in the OF honestly...

Now it's not much different than the Giles for Rincon trade (which I wouldn't have done since I liked Giles more than I do with Amed). It's not a best case scenario, so I don't think it would happen, but it would depend on who we could get back as well..

 

[Criznit]

@CATS44 @DCTribefan

He's not a good SS and I doubt he will be a good 2B cause of the same reasons why he isn't a good 2B. He's probably going to be best in the OF honestly...

Now it's not much different than the Giles for Rincon trade (which I wouldn't have done since I liked Giles more than I do with Amed). It's not a best case scenario, so I don't think it would happen, but it would depend on who we could get back as well..

This just in.

Amed Rosario's real name turns out to be Jhonny Peralta-lite and he appreciates that level of generosity.

Edit. This is probably his best year defensively speaking, which pretty much means nothing to me.

 

[biggie4]

This just in.

Amed Rosario's real name turns out to be Jhonny Peralta-lite

That is a very perceptive call