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espn insider article "REDD in CLEVELAND"
i don't have the link- cause i snatched it off another site-- but i think it's called seeing redd. or something like that.. but here is the article..
The case for Redd in Cavs' colors
It's understandable for anyone to take $20 million and run -- even if it is to a destiny of lottery picks and first-round exits -- so I won't blame Michael Redd if he accepts the Milwaukee Bucks' maximum contract offer.
But in my humble opinion, Redd should go to Cleveland, pay cut and all. Milwaukee is offering Redd $80 mil to $90 mil over six years, while the Cavaliers can pay him only $60 mil to $70 mil over five. But Cleveland can throw in something Milwaukee can give Redd only on grainy 1970s film strips (highlights of Kareem and the Big O) -- a championship, or at least a championship-contending, future.
If Redd stays in Milwaukee -- even with a good center like Andrew Bogut and maybe a healthy T.J. Ford -- he will average 23 points for years, make an All-Star team or two and go on vacation every year in late April/early May.
If he goes to Cleveland, where he is the perfect complement to LeBron, he will average 22 points and be playing in meaningful playoff games from 2006 on. Redd would be an All-Star every year and go down as Scottie Pippen to LeBron's Jordan. If the duo won championships, which I think they eventually would, he would perhaps even be a Hall of Famer.
We're talking about legacy vs. $20 million. Not an easy choice, I know. But the commercials and endorsements that go along with playing on a perennial contender -- and next to an all-time great -- could perhaps offset the dollar difference.
Plus, why not be a hero in your home state? (Redd hails from Columbus, Ohio.) Talk about raising the profile of Ohio basketball. The Buckeye State, always known for football, is starting to do damage on the hardwood. You could have one of the top perimeter tandems in the league hailing from Akron and Columbus. And wait until Cincinnati native O.J. Mayo comes of age. But I digress.
For Redd, it comes down to this: Does he want to be the next Pippen (the sidekick in a historic duo) or the next Stephon Marbury (numbers, loot and nothing else)?
My advice: Choose Pippen and the Cavs.
i don't have the link- cause i snatched it off another site-- but i think it's called seeing redd. or something like that.. but here is the article..
The case for Redd in Cavs' colors
It's understandable for anyone to take $20 million and run -- even if it is to a destiny of lottery picks and first-round exits -- so I won't blame Michael Redd if he accepts the Milwaukee Bucks' maximum contract offer.
But in my humble opinion, Redd should go to Cleveland, pay cut and all. Milwaukee is offering Redd $80 mil to $90 mil over six years, while the Cavaliers can pay him only $60 mil to $70 mil over five. But Cleveland can throw in something Milwaukee can give Redd only on grainy 1970s film strips (highlights of Kareem and the Big O) -- a championship, or at least a championship-contending, future.
If Redd stays in Milwaukee -- even with a good center like Andrew Bogut and maybe a healthy T.J. Ford -- he will average 23 points for years, make an All-Star team or two and go on vacation every year in late April/early May.
If he goes to Cleveland, where he is the perfect complement to LeBron, he will average 22 points and be playing in meaningful playoff games from 2006 on. Redd would be an All-Star every year and go down as Scottie Pippen to LeBron's Jordan. If the duo won championships, which I think they eventually would, he would perhaps even be a Hall of Famer.
We're talking about legacy vs. $20 million. Not an easy choice, I know. But the commercials and endorsements that go along with playing on a perennial contender -- and next to an all-time great -- could perhaps offset the dollar difference.
Plus, why not be a hero in your home state? (Redd hails from Columbus, Ohio.) Talk about raising the profile of Ohio basketball. The Buckeye State, always known for football, is starting to do damage on the hardwood. You could have one of the top perimeter tandems in the league hailing from Akron and Columbus. And wait until Cincinnati native O.J. Mayo comes of age. But I digress.
For Redd, it comes down to this: Does he want to be the next Pippen (the sidekick in a historic duo) or the next Stephon Marbury (numbers, loot and nothing else)?
My advice: Choose Pippen and the Cavs.
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Re: espn insider article "REDD in CLEVELAND"
the jordan/pippen comparison-- is sick.
the situation is totally different--plus pippen was a defender first..
BRON and HUGHES would be closer to that then BRON and REDD -- because at least hughes's game is more comparable to PIP'S
hughes can handle the ball and play "D" much like pippen.
the jordan/pippen comparison-- is sick.
the situation is totally different--plus pippen was a defender first..
BRON and HUGHES would be closer to that then BRON and REDD -- because at least hughes's game is more comparable to PIP'S
hughes can handle the ball and play "D" much like pippen.
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Edit: Oeps, I didn't see there was already a topic about the re-signing of Allen in Seattle.
Damn, Ray Allen re-signs in Seattle
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/ian_thomsen/07/05/allen/index.html
All-Star shooting guard Ray Allen has agreed to a new contract that will keep him with the Seattle SuperSonics, SI.com has learned.
Terms of the deal were unknown. Last February negotiations broke down on a five-year extension in which the Sonics were offering $75 million while Allen was holding out for an $80 million deal.
Allen's return to the Sonics is expected to help them in their contract negotiations with coach Nate McMillan, who expressed reservations about returning to Seattle unless Allen and other free agents were re-signed.
Now, If Redd decided to stay in Milwaukee, then we're really screwed up.
Damn, Ray Allen re-signs in Seattle
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/ian_thomsen/07/05/allen/index.html
All-Star shooting guard Ray Allen has agreed to a new contract that will keep him with the Seattle SuperSonics, SI.com has learned.
Terms of the deal were unknown. Last February negotiations broke down on a five-year extension in which the Sonics were offering $75 million while Allen was holding out for an $80 million deal.
Allen's return to the Sonics is expected to help them in their contract negotiations with coach Nate McMillan, who expressed reservations about returning to Seattle unless Allen and other free agents were re-signed.
Now, If Redd decided to stay in Milwaukee, then we're really screwed up.
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Some ESPN Insider (take it for what it's worth). First, from Chad Ford:
Here's what we're hearing coming out of the holiday break:
Cavs: It's becoming clearer what new GM Danny Ferry's strategy is: He'd like to lure Michael Redd away from Milwaukee, bring in Lithuanian point guard Sarunas Jasikevicius from overseas, re-sign Zydrunas Ilgauskas and find a way to swap Drew Gooden for a more blue-collar, defense-oriented power forward.
It's not a bad plan, and it's one, if completed, that should propel the Cavs into the playoffs.
To make it happen, first Ferry has to convince Redd to agree to the home-state discount (Redd is from Ohio). That would mean Redd would lose a year of guaranteed money -- roughly $20 million, depending on what happens with the new cap figures.
It's a long shot. However, Redd hasn't agreed to the Bucks' huge max offer yet and is planning to visit Cleveland this week -- encouraging signs for the Cavs.
On most teams (including the Bucks), Redd isn't worth a max contract offer. He's a fantastic shooter, but what else does he do? He's not really a go-to guy, he isn't a great defender and he doesn't rebound or handle the ball well. However, paired next to LeBron and Ilgauskas, he might be worth the cash. The Cavs desperately need a shooter, and Redd's stroke could be deadly in Cleveland with LeBron and Ilgauskas commanding double teams.
Could is the operative word here. Joe Johnson was the team's first choice, but the Cavs believe the Suns will match any offer to him. Johnson was actually a better shooter last year, is three inches taller than Redd, can play the point and is a better defender -- and is two years younger, to boot. Before Ray Allen agreed to re-sign with Seattle, he was the Cavs' backup plan -- as a more versatile and experienced, but much older, choice. Hughes is also an option (and statistically the best of the top four guards), though everyone believes he'll re-sign with Washington.
Jasikevicius is next on the to-do list for the Cavs. He's also being wooed strongly by the Pacers and Celtics and wants to make a decision soon. The Cavs appeal to him because they're one of the few teams in the league that have starting jobs available. The asking price is high (he'd like the full $5 million mid-level exception), but he might be worth it. If the Cavs want championship experience in their point guard, Jasikevicius has it. He's won three straight Euroleague titles, leading two different squads. However, if the Cavs want a point guard who plays defense, they'd better start looking elsewhere. If Ferry can't sign Jasikevicius, look for the Cavs to switch gears and make a strong push for Antonio Daniels and Marko Jaric.
Ilgauskas is demanding more cash than the Cavs are willing to offer and appears to have a legitimate suitor in the Hawks. However, the Cavs believe his agent, Herb Rudoy, is bluffing when he claims that Ilgauskas really wants to play elsewhere. They've already added one fellow Lithuanian to the roster (draft pick Martynas Andriuskevicius) and are in the process of potentially adding another. Ilgauskas loves Cleveland and knows the Cavs are in position to offer him a big deal.
If the Cavs land Redd and Jasikevicius, they'll be left with roughly $9 to $11 million to offer Ilgauskas as a starting salary (again, depending on where the new salary cap comes in).
If Ilgauskas can't live with that, the Cavs might be better off going young and trying to lure Tyson Chandler, Samuel Dalembert or LeBron's favorite, Eddy Curry, to Cleveland.
If they can add a big, athletic, shot-blocking rebounder like Chandler or Dalembert to the mix, they could either keep Gooden or swap him for a more stable low-post scorer. Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Al Harrington, Mike Sweetney and Chris Wilcox are all available via trade or sign-and-trade.
If they keep Ilgauskas or grab a guy like Curry, the Cavs will look for a bruising, rebounding power forward who can defend and do the dirty work in the paint that Ilgauskas and Gooden don't provide. Reggie Evans, Udonis Haslem, P.J. Brown or even, yes, Carlos Boozer could be available via trade or sign-and-trade.
First, I guess I'm not sold on why we need to get rid of Gooden. I'd like to see how he performs under Mike Brown. I disagree with Ford (surprise) in that Gooden does some dirty work in the paint - but, yes, it's mainly offensive. I think with a level-headed coach, he might be shown how to turn that offensive instinct into a defensive one.
The more I read about this Jasikevicius, the more interested I am in pairing him with Snow. I guess I'd be more willing to have a few defensive leaders and offensive-minded young guys who can be taught to play team defense.
Also, on his chat, Marc Stein suggested that if the Cavs can't land one of the big 4 shooting guards, they get Z and Jasikevicius and save $$ for next year. Why? The shooting guard is the position we most need help in, and even Bobby Simmons would be an upgrade.
Thoughts?
Here's what we're hearing coming out of the holiday break:
Cavs: It's becoming clearer what new GM Danny Ferry's strategy is: He'd like to lure Michael Redd away from Milwaukee, bring in Lithuanian point guard Sarunas Jasikevicius from overseas, re-sign Zydrunas Ilgauskas and find a way to swap Drew Gooden for a more blue-collar, defense-oriented power forward.
It's not a bad plan, and it's one, if completed, that should propel the Cavs into the playoffs.
To make it happen, first Ferry has to convince Redd to agree to the home-state discount (Redd is from Ohio). That would mean Redd would lose a year of guaranteed money -- roughly $20 million, depending on what happens with the new cap figures.
It's a long shot. However, Redd hasn't agreed to the Bucks' huge max offer yet and is planning to visit Cleveland this week -- encouraging signs for the Cavs.
On most teams (including the Bucks), Redd isn't worth a max contract offer. He's a fantastic shooter, but what else does he do? He's not really a go-to guy, he isn't a great defender and he doesn't rebound or handle the ball well. However, paired next to LeBron and Ilgauskas, he might be worth the cash. The Cavs desperately need a shooter, and Redd's stroke could be deadly in Cleveland with LeBron and Ilgauskas commanding double teams.
Could is the operative word here. Joe Johnson was the team's first choice, but the Cavs believe the Suns will match any offer to him. Johnson was actually a better shooter last year, is three inches taller than Redd, can play the point and is a better defender -- and is two years younger, to boot. Before Ray Allen agreed to re-sign with Seattle, he was the Cavs' backup plan -- as a more versatile and experienced, but much older, choice. Hughes is also an option (and statistically the best of the top four guards), though everyone believes he'll re-sign with Washington.
Jasikevicius is next on the to-do list for the Cavs. He's also being wooed strongly by the Pacers and Celtics and wants to make a decision soon. The Cavs appeal to him because they're one of the few teams in the league that have starting jobs available. The asking price is high (he'd like the full $5 million mid-level exception), but he might be worth it. If the Cavs want championship experience in their point guard, Jasikevicius has it. He's won three straight Euroleague titles, leading two different squads. However, if the Cavs want a point guard who plays defense, they'd better start looking elsewhere. If Ferry can't sign Jasikevicius, look for the Cavs to switch gears and make a strong push for Antonio Daniels and Marko Jaric.
Ilgauskas is demanding more cash than the Cavs are willing to offer and appears to have a legitimate suitor in the Hawks. However, the Cavs believe his agent, Herb Rudoy, is bluffing when he claims that Ilgauskas really wants to play elsewhere. They've already added one fellow Lithuanian to the roster (draft pick Martynas Andriuskevicius) and are in the process of potentially adding another. Ilgauskas loves Cleveland and knows the Cavs are in position to offer him a big deal.
If the Cavs land Redd and Jasikevicius, they'll be left with roughly $9 to $11 million to offer Ilgauskas as a starting salary (again, depending on where the new salary cap comes in).
If Ilgauskas can't live with that, the Cavs might be better off going young and trying to lure Tyson Chandler, Samuel Dalembert or LeBron's favorite, Eddy Curry, to Cleveland.
If they can add a big, athletic, shot-blocking rebounder like Chandler or Dalembert to the mix, they could either keep Gooden or swap him for a more stable low-post scorer. Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Al Harrington, Mike Sweetney and Chris Wilcox are all available via trade or sign-and-trade.
If they keep Ilgauskas or grab a guy like Curry, the Cavs will look for a bruising, rebounding power forward who can defend and do the dirty work in the paint that Ilgauskas and Gooden don't provide. Reggie Evans, Udonis Haslem, P.J. Brown or even, yes, Carlos Boozer could be available via trade or sign-and-trade.
First, I guess I'm not sold on why we need to get rid of Gooden. I'd like to see how he performs under Mike Brown. I disagree with Ford (surprise) in that Gooden does some dirty work in the paint - but, yes, it's mainly offensive. I think with a level-headed coach, he might be shown how to turn that offensive instinct into a defensive one.
The more I read about this Jasikevicius, the more interested I am in pairing him with Snow. I guess I'd be more willing to have a few defensive leaders and offensive-minded young guys who can be taught to play team defense.
Also, on his chat, Marc Stein suggested that if the Cavs can't land one of the big 4 shooting guards, they get Z and Jasikevicius and save $$ for next year. Why? The shooting guard is the position we most need help in, and even Bobby Simmons would be an upgrade.
Thoughts?
I am interested on how much money we will have next year and to who is available. In my mind this was to be our last real oppotunity.
Waiting is overated.
So is the phrase "patience is a virtue".
Ok, I'll stop with the frustrated fan angle.
Waiting is overated.
So is the phrase "patience is a virtue".
Ok, I'll stop with the frustrated fan angle.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-hawksmoves&prov=ap&type=lgns
This guy should come cheap, and is a solid option for a 5th big man, especially if we send Marty back to the NBDL. We have many roster spots to fill and the money will dry up quick if we are successful in free agency. These are the type of players that become options.
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^When the Hawks signed Ekezie for the rest of the season last year after his 10 day contract, it was to get them in the best draft position (with the lowest record possible). He is literally bottom of the barrel but may be an option for league minimum.
I know he is down the bottom of the barrell. But what we need to fill this roster is someone cheap, who can come in and fill in for spot minutes here and there. We will have minimal money to spend on these guys and if Marty Vicious is nowhere near ready we need another 2 players (With a resigned Z) to at least feel comfortable in our front court. We dont need a superstar to fill in for what role Diop/Williams filled.
Ekezie > Diop / Williams
We do though need someone of decent qualitues as a primary backup to our starting center. Varejao isn't really that man.
Ekezie > Diop / Williams
We do though need someone of decent qualitues as a primary backup to our starting center. Varejao isn't really that man.
I dont know, I mean if the HAWKS just let the guy go, does any other team in the league really want to mess with that? Yes, he's probably better than Diop, but I'd rather go after a veteran big to sign to the minimum.
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The Top Overseas Free Agents on the 2005 Market, Part One
Nice article on some international guys. We all know about the Saras rumors. But I could see us having at least slight interest in the other three guys, 2 sg's and one big man.
Nice article on some international guys. We all know about the Saras rumors. But I could see us having at least slight interest in the other three guys, 2 sg's and one big man.