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Game #3 Pistons @ Cavaliers

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jones is trying he is just overmatched... get in snow

edit: every call is going againist the cavs now.. common D

wow... billups is apperantly god and cant do anythign wrong

3rd edit: EVERYTHIGN period is being called now

damn the cavs really need to step it up AGAIN on D, i dont understand damon jones being in teh game, its lebron and andy playing pick and rolls, atleast snow can play D. I guess damon helps strech the D a little...
 
LeBron is putting his stamp on this..watch the three point shots..Sheed Prince Billups and Rip that's 4 players yes but none of them can get a wide open look..
 
This one's in the bag. Score one for the good guys!
 
there we go baby... just need 3 more wins againist the pistons.
 
The LePIP factor strikes again....

I have not went to a loss this season... Including 3 playoffs games..1000% :thumbup:


We won because of LBJ, AV and the fact that dumb & dumber were nowhere to be seen on the court when it counted... :thumbup:
 
Wasn't always pretty and didn't look good for a while but nice to pull out the win. Hopefully Cavs can manage to stretch this series out as long as possible.

LeBron huge once again. Even when the points weren't coming early he had a huge impact on the game. I think any BS about him not being clutch should end for good. He's proven to be a clutch player time and time again.

Cavs almost killed themselves when they fell back into that bad pattern of jacking up 3's. Luckily it didn't last too long.

Varejao and Z both played very well today and made big contributions in different ways. Varejao was the stronger offensive player while the Cavs defense played well with Z on the floor.
I only counted 1 score within 10-12 feet of the hoop from Detroit's C's and PF's while Z was on the floor. Detroit also had almost no penetration, 2nd chances or offensive rebounds with Z in the game. Even when his game isn't perfect Z does still contribute. Looked like he was getting back on track with those 2 3rd quarter hoops but then he was never looked to again.
Varejao was very active offensively today and made a big impact with his scores.

As each game goes by the Cavs big hole at PG becomes even more noticable. The Cavs offensive problems in this series are greater with Snow at PG. Jones got abused at times defensively.

Great win. I didn't even want to think about a possible sweep.
 
Pluto had an article earlier today . Basically, the Cavs did what he said to do. They guarded the outside shot and made them put the ball on the floor.

http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/sports/basketball/nba/cleveland_cavaliers/14571206.htm

What can the Cavaliers do to beat the Detroit Pistons?

I posed that question to a veteran NBA coach and an executive who have faced the Pistons often in the regular season and the playoffs during the past few years.

For obvious reasons, they asked me not to use their names, but they would be known to most basketball fans.

The coach began by saying the Cavs won't beat the Pistons, at least not in the series.

The Pistons are too experienced, too focused. The Cavaliers are too young in terms of playoff experience.

They just don't have what it takes to win four games from a team such as the Pistons.

``But they can win a game or two,'' the coach said. ``At least, they can play much better if they begin to look at the Pistons a little differently.''

Here's how he broke down the the best-of-seven series, which the Pistons lead 2-0 heading into today's 5 p.m. game at Quicken Loans Arena.

His approach dealt with what the Cavs can do defensively, which is the coach's specialty.

Numbers don't lie

Most teams guard the hoop, allowing the Pistons to shoot from the outside.

It's conventional defense, but it doesn't work against the Pistons.

They shot 43 percent on 3-pointers vs. the Milwaukee Bucks in the first round, and are at 53 percent vs. the Cavs.

In the regular season, they shot 38 percent on 3-pointers, best in the Eastern Conference.

• The approach: When the Pistons spread out of their offense with players behind the 3-point line, guard them tightly.

Don't sag off.

Don't double-team down low.

The Pistons' offense does not have a strong inside game.

More numbers

In the first two games, the Cavs have outscored the Pistons by a stunning 84-46 margin in the paint. They have outrebounded the Pistons 88-78. If you saw only those two numbers, you would believe that the Cavs were controlling the series. That's because you don't understand the Pistons: They are an outside team first.

• The approach: Rasheed Wallace is the only Pistons player who will post up inside, and he usually likes to take a turn-around jumper. He even prefers to shoot outside. Don't double-team Wallace when he gets the ball in the post, because he'll throw it out to a guard for a jumper.

Real numbers

In the playoffs, Chauncey Billups has taken 83 shots and nearly half (41) have been 3-pointers. Yes, he will drive to the basket, but not a lot. Billups makes defenders worry too much about his drives, which allows him to take jumpers.

• The approach: ``It's so hard to get this message across to players,'' the coach said. ``But everyone (needs to) just stay on their man. Their offense is designed to get open jumpers. These guys make open jumpers. As coaches, we drill it into our players to stop the drive, don't give up layups. But force them to drive, take them out of their comfort zone. Billups is not a strong finisher driving to the basket.''

And still more

The Cavs have not stopped the 3-pointer, yet they consistently have fouled the Pistons. They have attempted 60 free throws to 40 for the Cavs.

• The approach: ``This is what drives you crazy as a coach,'' the coach said. ``The fact is: They are a veteran team, a winning team, they play smart, they get calls. They also get good defensive position. If you watch them in slow motion, they will guard you all the way to the hoop, then back off at the last second rather than foul you. Lots of guys miss layups against them worrying about getting their shots blocked or getting fouled. Just keep going strong to the basket on them.''

Ben Wallace's numbers

In the regular season, Ben Wallace shot 51 percent from the foul line. In the playoffs, it's 6-of-20 (30 percent).

• The approach: The coach believes that you don't deliberately foul him until the second half, and if you do, then do so on several possessions. Don't try it once or twice. See if Wallace will start to miss and make Pistons coach Flip Saunders take him out of the game. Only do it when behind, and then stick to it. In the final two minutes, you can only foul a player with the ball; otherwise, the player gets two shots -- and his team gets the ball out of bounds, too.

Hidden numbers

The Web site www.82games.com keeps track of what happens after timeouts. The Pistons rank third in defense (stopping opponents) in the first two plays after timeouts. The Cavs? Last at 30th. When it comes to scoring after timeouts, the Pistons are 13th, the Cavs 22nd. In their overall ratings, the Pistons ranked fifth in efficiency after timeouts; the Cavs are 26th.

• The approach: The Pistons consistently score after timeouts, and they consistently stop their opponents. More attention has to be paid in getting good shots on inbounds plays, and in stopping the Pistons. The coach said Saunders has ``one of the biggest and best playbooks in the league.''

The bottom line

The Cavs are getting beat on 3-pointers (25-9 in favor of the Pistons) and at the foul line, where the Pistons have a 45-30 advantage in free throws. ``You try to limit their 3-pointers and their free throws,'' the coach said. ``You continue to go hard to the hoop on them, try to draw some fouls. I'm not saying any of this is easy, but most teams have to change their defensive approach to have any chance against the Pistons.''
 
I knew the Cavs would not get swept. Great to see Cavs get a win at home to make the series 2-1.
 
A sweep would have been terrible. You can have as many "moral victories as you want but when you get a number in the series in terms of wins and losses against a team like this..that's a real victory.
 
LePIP said:
The LePIP factor strikes again....

I have not went to a loss this season... Including 3 playoffs games..1000% :thumbup:


We won because of LBJ, AV and the fact that dumb & dumber were nowhere to be seen on the court when it counted... :thumbup:

awesome game and crowd. still can't hear.

Pip I need to rep you for the undefeated streak. Im 11-2 this year.

BTW went to Winking Lizard after the game and saw Reghi and S Williams there...Funny stuff. There were some HOT girls hitting on Scotty.
 
This was one of the best games the Cavs have played this season. We saw Mike Brown and his staff were able to make the proper adjustments. Mainly, they got the Cavs to make a concentrated effort to not allow open J's. Every time you let Chauncy or Tayshaun, or Rip take an open 3, its probably more likely to go in than not. Once you take that away, you make them work. Yes, Sheed can score inside, but he doesn't seem to like to take it in that often. Ben is a garbage player, if you don't leave him to double team then he cant hurt you at all. Rip is amazing off the curls, staggered screens and such. He has a quick release and nails 18 footers with minimal space but the Pistons don't go to him that often. Billups did have me worried there, he got team fouls 2-5 called in the 4th quarter in 2 posessions because Damon Jones couldn't do much else with him on the iso. But as we saw, its much better to let Billups put the ball on the floor and let him try to finish than letting him shoot from the 3 point line or the free throw line where hes deadly.

This was not a game won by the Cavs offense. The 86 points scored today equals what the Cavs scored in game 1 and was less than what was scored in game 2. Mike Brown said it over and over again in the post-game press conference, this game was won with defense. When he talked about momentum shifts, it was defensive momentum. How did the Cavs eat into that 10 point lead in the 3rd? It was getting enough defensive stops for the offense to slowly close the gap.

At the end of the game, the Pistons looked visibly tired out there. Lebron has been playing 48 mins a game all season on back to backs and 3 of 4's. The Pistons starters couldn't go for that long and Flip couldn't rest them for that long since the game was so close. Come the 4th quarter, Lebron had more energy than the Piston's D which was suprisingly flat.

But what I was most impressed with was that this team again showed end of game execution. The Pistons managed to tie it up 4 times late in the 4th, and each time the Cavs responded with a score to make sure they never lost the lead or gave up momentum. Guys were hitting their free throws, I don't think anyone missed in the 4th quarter for either team. Basically, the Cavs pulled off yet another game where they had a chance to win down the stretch. For the first time I can say I like our chances when the game is tied with 2 minutes remaining. The trick from here on out is to keep these games competitive so we have a chance to win in the 4th.
 

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