Game Thread | 2020-21 Season | Game #63 | Wizards @ Cavs | April 30, 2021

[Rodzilla]

No he isn't. He's sitting on the bench hurt. He's doing literally nothing at all.

BTW fg% is a dated stat that means very little in the modern NBA. Use something else.

And Sexton just spent all night locking down Beal defensively from start to finish.

I could take you more seriously if you were actually invested in watching the games instead of trolling the thread.

FG% is a dated stat? ok so stop using the delly 25% statistic because he doesn't shoot much and ive clearly shown how his playmaking makes up for it

i don't watch basketball, i watch delly playing basketball

 

[Rich]

FG% is a dated stat? ok so stop using the delly 25% statistic because he doesn't shoot much and ive clearly shown how his playmaking makes up for it

i don't watch basketball, i watch delly playing basketball

Then you probably haven't watched this team much this season and therefore your opinion on what's going on is rather limited.


Your go-to stat prior to tonight was +/-.

Since Delly has been on a bit of a +/- downward spiral, now it's whatever this is.

Problem is, FG% doesn't = efficiency. What if the FG% is higher but the offensive rating is actually lower because they take less FTs or make less 3s, or don't generate offensive rebounds?

Or, what if instead they're worse defensively to the point that the increase in FG% is offset entirely?

See, you've thrown out a really lame, VERY limited stat (considering Delly's extremely limited action this season) and it completely lacks context.

My two stats are very simple: 1) Delly can't shoot the ball and 2) Delly can't stay on the court.


You have no counter to these two things so you find whatever stat on this earth you can to show that Delly still has it.



Thing is, compared to the other options that Cavs have tried at back-up point (Dotson and Cook) Delly still IS better. But that's just a failure of the front office and indictment on those players more than it is a praise of Delly's ability at this point in his career.

Cavs go and get a half-way competent back-up point next year and it will be clear just how washed Delly is.


But finally, just to address your stat directly: Delly plays a majority of his minutes with Sexton. Sexton gets to finish the plays Delly sets up. When Delly is out and Sexton has to be point, Sexton doesn't get to set himself up. He has to set up guys like Cedi Osman and Dean Wade.

Do you see the point here? Delly has a well above average offensive scorer to find. Sexton has no one at all.

See if that one registers or not.


Delly was honestly one of my favorite players. You've made him rather toxic on this site for w/e reason. But either way, what he was is not what he is currently. And the Cavs have to upgrade the position next year, if for no other reason they need someone they can rely on to stay on the court. most important thing a team needs from a back-up is availability. Really sucks to use up a roster spot on a back-up who doesn't play due to health.

That's just a hard truth and it sucks for Delly but that's life.

 

[Rodzilla]

Then you probably haven't watched this team much this season and therefore your opinion on what's going on is rather limited.


Your go-to stat prior to tonight was +/-.

Since Delly has been on a bit of a +/- downward spiral, now it's whatever this is.

Problem is, FG% doesn't = efficiency. What if the FG% is higher but the offensive rating is actually lower because they take less FTs or make less 3s, or don't generate offensive rebounds?

Or, what if instead they're worse defensively to the point that the increase in FG% is offset entirely?

See, you've thrown out a really lame, VERY limited stat (considering Delly's extremely limited action this season) and it completely lacks context.

My two stats are very simple: 1) Delly can't shoot the ball and 2) Delly can't stay on the court.


You have no counter to these two things so you find whatever stat on this earth you can to show that Delly still has it.



Thing is, compared to the other options that Cavs have tried at back-up point (Dotson and Cook) Delly still IS better. But that's just a failure of the front office and indictment on those players more than it is a praise of Delly's ability at this point in his career.

Cavs go and get a half-way competent back-up point next year and it will be clear just how washed Delly is.


But finally, just to address your stat directly: Delly plays a majority of his minutes with Sexton. Sexton gets to finish the plays Delly sets up. When Delly is out and Sexton has to be point, Sexton doesn't get to set himself up. He has to set up guys like Cedi Osman and Dean Wade.

Do you see the point here? Delly has a well above average offensive scorer to find. Sexton has no one at all.

See if that one registers or not.

i agree that sexton and delly work well together, when sexton plays with delly he is 58% shooting and when he played with non delly people, (usually garland) he is 47.9%

okoro also works well with delly, he is 58.3% compared to 41% with non delly people

garland also works well with delly (53.6% compared to 44.9%)

love is 40.0% instead of 38.3%

cedi is 46.2% instead of 36.3%

hartenstein 65.9% instead of 62.5%

allen is 77.8% instead of 63.0%

so maybe its delly who is the superman

delly himself might be the only person who doesn't do better when delly is on court

 

[KilgoreTrout]

There’s a lot that I don’t understand.

Love doesn’t take a shot in 22 minutes?

Starters shoot 2-15 from 3? Whole team shoots 22%?

I mean, what’s wrong, besides everything?

 

[KilgoreTrout]

8 turnovers for Sexton. HOLY Mother of God. Were the jerseys too similar in color, such that Sexton couldn’t tell the difference?

 

[Dr No]

There’s a lot that I don’t understand.

Love doesn’t take a shot in 22 minutes?

Starters shoot 2-15 from 3? While team shoots 22%?

I mean, what’s wrong, besides everything?

They are done for the year. Physically tired. Mentally tired. Nothing left to play for - again. April was ugly. May could get uglier. I hope we give lots of minutes to our non-guaranteed guys and let them know they are playing for a spot next year. It would still be ugly basketball, but at least they’d be meaningful minutes

 

[Rodzilla]

Love doesn’t take a shot in 22 minutes?

Love was +5 so maybe he is onto something

 

[ansatsusha80]

8 turnovers for Sexton. HOLY Mother of God. Were the jerseys too similar in color, such that Sexton couldn’t tell the difference?

Nobody didn't have a problem with Garland's six turnovers the previous game...

 

[Mcreek]

Mfiondu Kabengele, who played 21 minutes during the blowout, will sign a non-guaranteed, multi-year contract Saturday that would keep him in Cleveland through the 2022-23 season. The 23-year-old forward’s second 10-day deal expired at the conclusion of Friday’s game and the Cavs want to keep him around as a developmental young big man"

I think we stumbled on to a hidden gem like with Hartenstein. MK was being considered for Cavz pick a few yrs ago before they selected Windler. His small sample size performances the last 2 games is pretty exciting to me. Energy big guy off the bench that can hit the three, rebound and block shots. His numbers in the G league were impressive as well. ( 18 ppg, 9.4 reb, 1.9 blocks).

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

Mfiondu Kabengele, who played 21 minutes during the blowout, will sign a non-guaranteed, multi-year contract Saturday that would keep him in Cleveland through the 2022-23 season. The 23-year-old forward’s second 10-day deal expired at the conclusion of Friday’s game and the Cavs want to keep him around as a developmental young big man"

I think we stumbled on to a hidden gem like with Hartenstein. MK was being considered for Cavz pick a few yrs ago before they selected Windler. His small sample size performances the last 2 games is pretty exciting to me. Energy big guy off the bench that can hit the three, rebound and block shots. His numbers in the G league were impressive as well. ( 18 ppg, 9.4 reb, 1.9 blocks).

Kabby (I don't know what to call him to avoid typing out either of his names) earned it. Last night he had a line of 7/5/3 with 2 steals and 2 blocks in 21 minutes. He definitely has an NBA body and plays with energy. He can also knock down a 3. He had one bucket where he caught a pass and jumped off two feet from about 8 feet from the rim and dunked with both hands while drawing a foul. Just a tremendous example of power and explosiveness.

I don't know where he'll get minutes next year when both Allen and Hartenstein are healthy, but there's a lot there to work with. We now have three young centers age 23 and under to develop and they all have exciting potential IMO.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

The Cavs put up a gutty effort and competed as long as they could. At the halfway point of the 3rd quarter they were down 68-64 but then collapsed as the Wizards went on a 23-4 run to close the quarter and put the game away. The Cavs' depleted bench was totally destroyed. Kabengele, Wade, Cedi, and Dotson were all between -24 and -34 in a 29-point loss. The absence of Nance, Hartenstein, Prince, and Delly was too much to overcome.

The starters did a decent job for the most part. Sexton was clearly rusty playing his first game in a week, going 7-for-19 and committing 8 turnovers. Garland sprained his ankle and played only 20 minutes which contributed to the 3rd quarter meltdown when they had Dotson running the offense. I was disappointed in Dotson - he had 2 points and 1 assist in 23 minutes. Just a total non-factor and that pretty much sums up his season.

Wade is also failing to take advantage of his opportunities. He finishes April shooting 39.8% from the field and 31.8% on 3's. He's pretty much invisible on offense. He's scored 28 points in his last 9 games.

Love with no shot attempts in 22 minutes. Wow, I wonder if that's a career low? The Wizards would not give him any free looks on 3's and he's too slow to dribble by anybody. The only thing he's got left is defensive rebounding. And he's still forcing low percentage outlet passes that result in turnovers. But I appreciate his hustle. He was working hard on defense and contributing wherever he could. He's not just going through the motions in these last few meaningless games.

The 3-point shooting continues to be beyound embarassing. Tonight it was 21.2%. Whoever they draft better be able to shoot a 3. Sexton, Garland, and Okoro combined to go 2-for-15 while Love didn't take any 3's. Our power forwards combined for 5 points.

Kabengele flashed some potential and is getting a contract through the next two seasons, although non-guaranteed. Good for him.

One small victory - Westbrook and Beal combined to go 13-for-36. But the Wizards still scored 122 points. Their roster is just too deep.

Now the Cavs get hammered by Miami tonight. Hope Garland's ankle is OK but at this point it doesn't really matter.

 

[Dr No]

One small victory - Westbrook and Beal combined to go 13-for-36. But the Wizards still scored 122 points. Their roster is just too deep.

I missed the game and have no intention to go watch it - But how bad do you have to be on d to give up 122 to the Wizards when neither Beal or Westbrook go off? We always focus on how bad the offense is (and it is bad - 93 points is atrocious) but we are just as bad on defense.

 

[Mcreek]

I don't know where he'll get minutes next year when both Allen and Hartenstein are healthy, but there's a lot there to work with. We now have three young centers age 23 and under to develop and they all have exciting potential IMO.

I’m sure MK will get minutes at the 4 . Some young players end up on teams that don’t have minutes for them and end up bouncing around the league before finding the right fit and team. Cavs now have three shot blockers in Allen, Hartenstein and MK. With two small guards we will need rim protectors. Don’t know if there will be a summer league but MK could really benefit

 

[Rich]

I missed the game and have no intention to go watch it - But how bad do you have to be on d to give up 122 to the Wizards when neither Beal or Westbrook go off? We always focus on how bad the offense is (and it is bad - 93 points is atrocious) but we are just as bad on defense.

The defensive effort from so much of the team was so poor.

Osman was absolutely fucking dreadful all night. He got scored on something like 4 plays in a row, and he barely put up a fight. Someone starts to beat him, and he's done. There's no effort to recover, no physicality.

He's turned into such a bad player. Disappointing.

I was pretty upset watching that game unfold because I felt like the kids were really, really trying hard to be competitive and so many of the vets have just packed it in. Okoro struggled but he didn't stop playing his ass off all night, for instance.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

The defensive effort from so much of the team was so poor.

Osman was absolutely fucking dreadful all night. He got scored on something like 4 plays in a row, and he barely put up a fight. Someone starts to beat him, and he's done. There's no effort to recover, no physicality.

He's turned into such a bad player. Disappointing.

I was pretty upset watching that game unfold because I felt like the kids were really, really trying hard to be competitive and so many of the vets have just packed it in. Okoro struggled but he didn't stop playing his ass off all night, for instance.

Osman won't be in the picture next year unless there are multiple injuries. Dotson and Wade aren't doing anything to put them in the plans, either.