Isaac 3 & D Okoro - A Two Way Playing Basketball Savant

[dark2332]

He's a positive player in his second year all his lineups except ones with no shooters are positive.

Okoro is a teacher's pet. Doesn't make a lot of mistakes, but also doesn't gamble enough. For steals or to call his own number.

His 3 pt percentage was good enough he needs to risk that percentage for a higher volume

No question, this is a massive offseason for Isaac.

Next year, he has his opportunity to play himself into the core or into the fringe of the rotation.

The mechanics of the jumpshot have clearly changed. Hell, they changed for the better midseason.

For Isaac, this offseason needs to come away with a better handle and more confidence going to the hoop in the half court. Being a respected three point threat would also help that ability greatly.

A small uptick in aggression to the tune of 12/13 ppg while keeping similar percentages on slightly higher volume, that’s all I ask. Then, all of the sudden, he’s a two-way 3&D swingman and valuable around the league.

 

[CavsKermit]

By NBA standards, Isaac Okoro is no longer that young. 21 years old and two full seasons in the NBA behind you is plenty of time to show your stuff. He’ll get another shot here next season I’m sure, since I doubt there will be much if any interest from other teams in him, but it’s getting time to retire the age excuse

This isn't how it works. Twenty one is twenty one. Now, in terms of trade value, him having played 2 full seasons matters, but not in terms of development. There are simply too many counter examples.

 

[2 For The Brew]

Brew, no one is saying he couldn’t be valuable to this team if his offense keeps progressing while hustling defensively.

I’m just saying he’s not going to magically turn into some player that carries the offense for this team. Who said to move on and cut bait? I literally called it a “win-win” he either stays our 8th man defensive specialist or he evolves into what we hoped.

And in terms of receipts, you’re the first one today to put him with Jimmy Butler. In fact, this feels an awful lot like insinuating he has Jimmy Butler upside, otherwise why mention him at all?



This all came simply from me replying to you, who said “Thigh haters.”

I called him a “brick shithouse” which apparently I need to explain. It’s a reference to 1) his strong physique and 2) to the jocular statement that you could build a house with the bricks he lays nightly.

I’d really like to see a post from someone claiming that Ice is going to carry this team offensively at any point, because I would be highly critical of that as well. I was specific about his offensive flaws, including no midrange shot at all. In fact he’s generally very weak in the half court. He has a decent wide open three percentage but he doesn’t shoot at a high volume.

Jimmy Butler was picked #30 at age 22 and didn’t really show himself until his third season. Mentioning him was strictly related to development time and did not necessarily indicate ultimate level of achievement. Your implication of insinuation is a simplification of my illustration.

Anyway I think we’re actually on the same page. Ice needs to improve or he’s going to be a back of the rotation guy on a good team instead of a strong defensive player with enough offensive chops to make it as a starter long term. He has a lot of competition for minutes the next two years and like most players on this team he’s subject to being traded.

 

[cavsfever]

Check out who the second most consistently open player in the NBA is according to this chart, right after Russell Westbrook

 

[Heat Check]

Check out who the second most consistently open player in the NBA is according to this chart, right after Russell Westbrook

In other words, Okoro is way less valuable as a shooter than his slightly improved percentages would lead you to believe.

Even if he makes some shots now and then, the fact that his man is always able to guard the paint instead of him makes it tougher for everyone playing with him.

 

[foucault87]

In other words, Okoro is way less valuable as a shooter than his slightly improved percentages would lead you to believe.

Even if he makes some shots now and then, the fact that his man is always able to guard the paint instead of him makes it tougher for everyone playing with him.

It takes a while for players to adapt. Shooting reputation vastly exceeds results on the floor sometimes. I remember guys sticking to Antawn Jamison like he was a sniper in a year he was around 33%. Give him some time.

 

[cavsfever]

Next step for okoro is hitting close to 40% on wide wide open catch and shoot three pointers, and not just from the corners. That’s kind of a minimum for him

 

[cavsfever]

Check out who the second most consistently open player in the NBA is according to this chart, right after Russell Westbrook

To go off topic for a second, this chart shows you how great Steph Curry is. And of course how hideous Russell Westbrook has been. Lots of other interesting little things in here too, like how tightly Tatum gets guarded

 

[J_J]

One of the problems is having Okoro out in the corner every time. In college, he’s had many back cuts, curls, ball on the perimeter, PnRs, off ball PnR or PnCs, and he even posted up a number of times. Koby commented in his draft presser that Okoro was able to do a lot of things: mainly moving without the ball, score in the post, be able to go strong, has good vision and ability to pass the ball well offensively. There is a lot of game he can help this team out. He would definitely benefit with a lot of movement on the offensive floor.

 

[dark2332]

One of the problems is having Okoro out in the corner every time. In college, he’s had many back cuts, curls, ball on the perimeter, PnRs, off ball PnR or PnCs, and he even posted up a number of times. Koby commented in his draft presser that Okoro was able to do a lot of things: mainly moving without the ball, score in the post, be able to go strong, has good vision and ability to pass the ball well offensively. There is a lot of game he can help this team out. He would definitely benefit with a lot of movement on the offensive floor.

Well, we’re probably going to need a new coach—or at the very least an offensive coordinator—if you’re ever going to see any of those actions.

 

[Heat Check]

One of the problems is having Okoro out in the corner every time. In college, he’s had many back cuts, curls, ball on the perimeter, PnRs, off ball PnR or PnCs, and he even posted up a number of times. Koby commented in his draft presser that Okoro was able to do a lot of things: mainly moving without the ball, score in the post, be able to go strong, has good vision and ability to pass the ball well offensively. There is a lot of game he can help this team out. He would definitely benefit with a lot of movement on the offensive floor.

Almost every NBA player was a beast in college and had a much more diverse role than in the pros. That's how it goes. The only thing that matters is what you can do in the League itself.

Okoro could do those things in HS and the NCAA, but the NBA is another world. If you're a dude who could offer 5 above average things in college, you can probably offer only 1 or 2 of them in the League. There are exceptions, of course, but so far Isaac hasn't shown signs of being one. He's a guy who had some moderate success in college because he had an "NBA body" – but, ironically, that's not enough in the NBA. You need elite skill, particularly if you're a tweener like Isaac.

 

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[J_J]

Well, we’re probably going to need a new coach—or at the very least an offensive coordinator—if you’re ever going to see any of those actions.

Yes sir. Got you Luke Walton who loves using off ball screens and ghost screens. I’m looking forward to it.

 

[buzzdog]

anybody who says okoro has jimmy butler potential should be slapped

Okoro is Lebron's father?????

Lebron's Father

 

[ManOfTheLand]

Honestly, I’m not sure what to do with Okoro. When we first drafted him, I thought he would ideally become our starting SF since we used our previous top picks on guards. No clue what they have in mind for him now that LeVert entered the fold, who plays a very similar role.

I think you have to hope that he hits the gym hard this summer and develop his shooting to go along with his defense. Perhaps he starts on the wing and develops into a 3&D (albeit a shorter one)? It’d be nice if he packed on some muscle, too. Maybe he doesn’t become the next Jimmy Butler, but we don’t need him to. I’ll take an Iguodala, who was another common comparison, all day.