Isaac 3 & D Okoro - A Two Way Playing Basketball Savant

[Blazie]

I think its difficult to talk definitively about what he is and isn't when he's still adjusting to the game.

The way the last couple of posts feel about okoro is the way I sometimes feel about windler... but I know deep down that it's way too early to tell.

I mean, it's possible that this version is the best he'll ever be, but that's unlikely based on his age and work ethic. Seems to me that they could maybe just slide him back to the 2 and work on one offensive skill (shooting, passing, slashing) to make him viable. IF he doesn't work out as a 3.

 

[Green Lantern]

Plus at 19 he is past his prime. Just let the kid develop for a year or two. He does a lot well. And has things to work on

No he hasn't reached his prime. But watchinmg a lot of players who come in without 4 solid years of college, they refine their game over the years and become valued players.
I think the same can said for him.
He has a lot to work on. He was never a dominate offensive player in college.
Cavs wanted him for defense.

 

[Jake]

I was onboard with Okoro too, but it's becoming more clear that Haliburton would of been a better choice.

 

[Tonedef75]

The Oi is so far nailing this thread better then anyone that has posted here. These arguments seem similar to what we heard about Sexton 2 years ago and Garland a year ago. It’s so shocking to me that these young men aren’t fully developed at age 19 and 20. Shocking, I tell you!

I mean, I get it. It’s a message board so we need something to talk about, but you would think people would have noticed by now that there does seem to be a pattern forming here.

 

[OptimusPrime]

If the Cavs had drafted Okoro three years ago, he would be scoring 14-15 points a game on bad percentages but he would be showing more offensive flashes on a 15 win team. And some people would still complain, but not as many.

On this team, he needs to take those shots from guys like Drummond or even Osman when gets out of hand. He hasn't even played 20 games in the league, so hopefully he'll figure that out soon and start asserting himself a little more. And hopefully they'll get rid of Drummond's 15 shots a night so other guys can have them. If they can get 10 points per game out of him as a rookie along with his defense and floor game, he'll be doing just fine.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

If the Cavs had drafted Okoro three years ago, he would be scoring 14-15 points a game on bad percentages but he would be showing more offensive flashes on a 15 win team. And some people would still complain, but not as many.

On this team, he needs to take those shots from guys like Drummond or even Osman when gets out of hand. He hasn't even played 20 games in the league, so hopefully he'll figure that out soon and start asserting himself a little more. And hopefully they'll get rid of Drummond's 15 shots a night so other guys can have them. If they can get 10 points per game out of him as a rookie along with his defense and floor game, he'll be doing just fine.

I still don't know if he is just shy offensively, or just currently lacks the skills. Time will tell, along with kicking Drummond.

 

[avs2000]

No he hasn't reached his prime. But watchinmg a lot of players who come in without 4 solid years of college, they refine their game over the years and become valued players.
I think the same can said for him.
He has a lot to work on. He was never a dominate offensive player in college.
Cavs wanted him for defense.

And he was not a number one pick. He knows how to play the game. Just has to be refined. He also never played as many games as he is now. He is solid player with upside imo

 

[The Oi]

The main problem with Okoro is the same problem that the Cavs are having with all of their young players right now.

On one hand:

They fucking completely suck at everything we were told they’d be good at!

Otoh:

They’re actually coming along surprisingly well!

 

[Blazie]

Apologies for having a discussion about it.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

As much as I want to see Okoro playing better right now, people seriously need to cut him some slack and adjust their expectations at this point in the season. Let’s remember:

-He didn’t play competitive basketball for nearly nine months
-He got no summer league
-He got an abbreviated training camp
-He played in a balanced offense at Auburn where he wasn’t the primary option
-He just turned 20 a little over a week ago

I don’t think we’ll truly know a whole lot about Okoro until next season once he can get a full-ofseason of work in and hopefully spend some time putting in work at summer league. If he starts playing well, then that’s great, but I’m not going to get discouraged with him this season. There’s too many outside factors that have been working against him over the past year.

Also, our PG situation this year certainly hasn’t helped with Garland missing as many games as he has. To maximize Okoro on offense, we need guys that can hit him on the move when he’s slashing toward the basket. This is why I think Okoro could potentially benefit the most from Love getting back on the floor, as Love is a willing passer who will also pull a big man out of the lane.

 

[guitarguy]

The lack of offense of planning from the coaches so far is not helping.

 

[WorldFreeB]

I look at it this way for now...at least we didn't take Obi Toppin.
He has the tools to get better,,its just going to take a lot of time and patience.

 

[rastamon87]

The main problem with Okoro is the same problem that the Cavs are having with all of their young players right now.

On one hand:

They fucking completely suck at everything we were told they’d be good at!

Otoh:

They’re actually coming along surprisingly well!

This feels a lot like a South Park episode

 

[The Oi]

This feels a lot like a South Park episode

Rabble rabble rabble rabble

 

[Cavatt]

The Oi is so far nailing this thread better then anyone that has posted here. These arguments seem similar to what we heard about Sexton 2 years ago and Garland a year ago. It’s so shocking to me that these young men aren’t fully developed at age 19 and 20. Shocking, I tell you!

I mean, I get it. It’s a message board so we need something to talk about, but you would think people would have noticed by now that there does seem to be a pattern forming here.

Fact is he is hurting the team less and helping the team more than either of those guys did in their rookie season. He has been MORE NBA ready than them, not less. He just isn't as refined offensively. Instead of starting from negative, he is starting from 0, which is hard to stomach sometimes, but it is actually good.

I will say it again for people who didn't hear the first time. He is our most NBA ready rook since Kyrie.

I also thought Haliburton was the best choice at 5, but it didn't fit the way our team was constructed. It would make more sense today than it did during the draft with Exum and Delly gone, but I still think Okoro might have more ultimate upside than Haliburton. Haliburton is damn good though and he has one of the best IQs in the draft. I think Okoro is up there with him in his understanding of the game, he is just a baby in comparison to Haliburton as far as development.