Its too damn cold Saints @ Browns

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Also, teams have figured out some ways to stop and stuff our running game and we aren't doing much to adjust back.

You've said this like a dozen times and I just wanted to point out that it's completely unfounded.

It's like saying the Rams and McVay just aren't adjusting.

You're identifying the problem (ineffective running game) but misdiagnosing the root cause (offensive line failures).

I bet that if you pick the top few plays that you thought were "not adjusting" you'll see defensive linemen in the backfield because they beat their blocks.

Oh, and if you say "Yeah, but if Teller sucks you need to adjust for that!" I'd say we are. It's not like we aren't calling a number of different run concepts. We just aren't executing them well.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

So are people still sold on Stefanski keeping his job after the season?

Yes.

I got called a troll for asking that question 7 or 8 weeks ago.

I think it's more likely than not that he gets fired.

I think you're wrong and either you're uninformed or being purposefully antagonistic.

 

[JDailey23]

So are people still sold on Stefanski keeping his job after the season?

I got called a troll for asking that question 7 or 8 weeks ago.

I think it's more likely than not that he gets fired.

I have a good feeling we will win atleast 1 more game and end up 7-10. I think blowing it up and starting over will do more harm than good.
I think Jimmy, AB and Kevin need to have a real hard discussion on that status and future on all 3 phases of the game and hard decisions need to be made.
All 3 of these men are and have made mistakes and they need to figure it out.
IMO. New DC, new STC and I think AVP needs to run the offense. Kevin needs to get more involved and aware of what the other sides of the ball are doing.
Berry needs to focus on DLine and OLine.
Jimmy need to Shutup and write checks.

 

[buzzdog]

You've said this like a dozen times and I just wanted to point out that it's completely unfounded.

It's like saying the Rams and McVay just aren't adjusting.

You're identifying the problem (ineffective running game) but misdiagnosing the root cause (offensive line failures).

I bet that if you pick the top few plays that you thought were "not adjusting" you'll see defensive linemen in the backfield because they beat their blocks.

Oh, and if you say "Yeah, but if Teller sucks you need to adjust for that!" I'd say we are. It's not like we aren't calling a number of different run concepts. We just aren't executing them well.

No. Defenses are keying on our multiple pulling OL and pursuing right behind them down the line, catching our backs before they cut up field. Earlier in the season this wasn't happening and pursuit was getting caught in the wash. Now pursuing LBs and DL just follow right behind the guys we pull and they get there while our running backs are waiting for a lane to develop. This makes our wide zone run schemes less effective than they were before defenses adjusted. Stefanski still runs the hell out of them though, and more often than not our backs aren't making it through the pursuit coming from behind the play.

 

[CBBI]

No. Defenses are keying on our multiple pulling OL and pursuing right behind them down the line, catching our backs before they cut up field. Earlier in the season this wasn't happening and pursuit was getting caught in the wash. Now pursuing LBs and DL just follow right behind the guys we pull and they get there while our running backs are waiting for a lane to develop. This makes our wide zone run schemes less effective than they were before defenses adjusted. Stefanski still runs the hell out of them though, and more often than not our backs aren't making it through the pursuit coming from behind the play.

You literally almost have it.

These plays weren't getting blown up as badly earlier in the season because the front side blocks were being made MUCH more consistently and effectively and the unblocked backside pursuit couldn't get to the running backs in time before they were gone.

Now? Those blocks aren't being made nearly as effectively on the front side of the play, which is causing the backs to have to wait a half a beat or a full beat longer which gives the backside pursuit enough time to make the play.

These backside pursuit defenders are unblocked for a reason. Provided everything going the other direction works as it's supposed to, there's no way that player even unblocked should be able to reach the back in time coming across the formation. But when the front side blocks aren't working? Well this is what you get.

It has less to do with defenses adjusting to it and more to do with across the board execution lacking.

 

[buzzdog]

Even early in the season Chubb could just take his time and pick his hole without the pursuit getting there, defenders were taking shallower angles of pursuit and getting caught in the wash. Now he has no time because the pursuit is following right in the footsteps of our pulling linemen. I say they did adjust, because when pursuit is right on the ass of a pulling guard it doesn't matter how well he blocks in front of him, they're going to blow it up from behind. But maybe it's both and our pullers aren't being as quick and effective in getting their blocks as well. Either way it's a bad play if your personnel can't execute it. You have to change and adapt to the existing reality. Defenses know when it's coming and they know how to stuff it. Our guys have to do everything perfect for these to work, we're not, and they're getting blown up more than they're succeeding.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

No. Defenses are keying on our multiple pulling OL and pursuing right behind them down the line, catching our backs before they cut up field. Earlier in the season this wasn't happening and pursuit was getting caught in the wash. Now pursuing LBs and DL just follow right behind the guys we pull and they get there while our running backs are waiting for a lane to develop. This makes our wide zone run schemes less effective than they were before defenses adjusted. Stefanski still runs the hell out of them though, and more often than not our backs aren't making it through the pursuit coming from behind the play.

@CBBI Explained it, but a defensive lineman behind the play being unblocked and trying to chase the play down from behind isn't the defenses knowing what's coming. It's literally the design of the play.

When the front side is congested and the ball carrier can't get upfield, the chase down tackle happens.

 

[Smooth]

 

[NorthCoastBias]

The primary beat writers in this town are absolute garbage. They just get off on drama.

 

[Dr. Claw]

I have a good feeling we will win atleast 1 more game and end up 7-10. I think blowing it up and starting over will do more harm than good.
I think Jimmy, AB and Kevin need to have a real hard discussion on that status and future on all 3 phases of the game and hard decisions need to be made.
All 3 of these men are and have made mistakes and they need to figure it out.
IMO. New DC, new STC and I think AVP needs to run the offense. Kevin needs to get more involved and aware of what the other sides of the ball are doing.
Berry needs to focus on DLine and OLine.
Jimmy need to Shutup and write checks.

i.e. what the Cavs ownership and management is doing right now.
Just do it. The Browns will benefit and the profits will reach PLUTO.

 

[CBBI]

We don't have the All-22 yet, so I'm going off the TV broadcast, but I went back and gave a quick look at all the minimally successful run plays in the game.

Play 1 - Chubb for 0. Under center and no pullers. Njoku gets beat badly in a 1-on-1 block by 55 Eliss who makes the tackle at the line. Even if Njoku maintains his block, both Teller and Conklin were pushed a yard into the backfield. Biggest fuck up: Njoku

Play 2 - Chubb for 2. Under center with Teller pulling right to left. DPJ fails on his block at the point of attack on the nickel corner and Teller pulling across the formation completely whiffs on the linebacker. Those two defenders combine for the tackle. Biggest fuck up: Peoples-Jones and Teller

Play 3 - Chubb for -2. Under center with Bryant and Wills pulling left to right. Timing was off on this from the jump. Either Bryant was too slow getting across the formation with his motion or Pocic and Watson snapped the ball too early. Not sure who is at fault because there was 9 seconds on the play clock. Immediately after the snap Watson had to literally avoid running into Bryant who was right behind him as he turned to give to Chubb. This threw off the whole timing off the play and the unblocked backside defender made the tackle on Chubb easily. Biggest fuck up: The overall timing of the play (either Bryant too slow or Watson/Pocic too quick)

Play 4 - Chubb for 1. Under center with no pullers. Conklin gets completely shoved backwards and off his block by 94 Jordan on the backside. Jordan pursues down the line to make the tackle from the backside. If Conklin makes his block, everyone else had blocked their 1-on-1 effectively enough for this to be a much bigger gain. Biggest fuck up: Conklin

Play 5 - Chubb for 0. Under center with no pullers. 91 Street immediately beats a Pocic/Teller double team. Bitonio also gets ragdolled in space by 99 Tuttle who makes the play along with unblocked LB 56 Davis, who was likely one of Pocic/Teller's responsibility after peeling off the initial double team. Biggest fuck up: Pocic and Teller

Play 6 - Chubb for 2. Shotgun with Bitonio pulling left to right. 94 Jordan pushes Njoku into the backfield, then sheds him and makes the play. Tough ask for Njoku to not get stacked and shedded against a really good DE. Otherwise well blocked. Bitonio made his block in space. Did convert a 1D on 2nd and 1. Biggest fuck up: Njoku, but a high level play by the defender

Play 7 - Hunt for 2. Shotgun with Bitonio and Pocic both pulling from right to left. 96 Granderson beats Bitonio inside and forces Hunt to cut up the middle into the pile. If Bitonio makes his block this could go for more yards as Wills, Teller and Njoku have all made their blocks and Pocic would be out in front of Hunt off left tackle. Biggest fuck up: Bitonio

Play 8 - Hunt for -3. Under center with Njoku pulling across the formation. Total confusion here as to who is supposed to block who. Cooper releases 32 Mathieu to Njoku so he can block 55 Eliss on the 2nd level, but Wills ALSO releases 96 Granderson to Njoku and ALSO goes up to 55 Eliss on the 2nd level. Obviously Njoku can only block one, so he blocks Mathieu, but that leaves Granderson completely unblocked to make the play in the backfield. I'm not sure which one screwed up, but one of Wills or Cooper was not supposed to do what they did. Biggest fuck up: one of Cooper or Wills for blowing assignment

Play 9 - Hunt for 1. Under center with no pullers. Classic wide stretch zone play here. 94 Jordan does a great job of stringing Conklin along while maintaining the edge. Just a really good play by a really good defensive player. I would like to see the All-22 view from behind to see if Hunt missed a cut back lane or not. Also worth noting that the Browns did rush to get this play snapped to avoid a challenge on the previous play. Biggest fuck up: Conklin, but a high level play by the defender

Play 10 - Chubb for 0. Under center with no pullers. Wills gets moved backwards on his 1-on-1 block by 96 Granderson into Chubb's intended path. It does appear that if Chubb had stayed outside of Wills left shoulder instead of trying to cutback inside he would have gained 1-2 more yards. Biggest fuck up: Wills

Play 11 - Chubb for 1. Shotgun with Teller and Conklin both pulling from right to left. Teller makes his block, but gets stood up just enough to where Conklin isn't able to pull around him. Conklin ends up literally running into Teller's back which forces Chubb to slow down which also allows the unblocked backside defender to make the play along with the unblocked linebacker on the 2nd level (Conklin's intended target). This was designed really well and was going to go for big yardage if Teller and Conklin could have just executed it correctly on the front side. Biggest fuck up: Teller and Conklin

Play 11 - Hunt for -1. Under center with no pullers. This is a straight up FB dive with Hunt in at FB. Pocic and Njoku both get completely blown up 1-on-1 and Hunt just has zero chance. No running back in the NFL converts this play. Hunt literally had both blockers (Pocic and Njoku) literally in his lap at he was getting the ball. Wills, Bitonio, Teller and Conklin all made their blocks and drove their defenders backwards. Biggest fuck up: Pocic and Njoku

Play 12 - Hunt for 3. Under center with Teller pulling right to left. Njoku and Bryant have immediate miscommunication on which of them is supposed to block the two defenders in front of them which leads to a unblocked linebacker knifing into the backfield. Teller makes a great heads up play to chip the unblocked man as he's making his pull (not his assignment), but he's not able to get to his intended block on the 2nd level. Hunt runs really hard and turns this into a 3-yard gain, but it should have gone for more had Njoku and Bryant not screwed up initially. Biggest fuck up: Njoku and Bryant

Play 13 - Hunt for 2. Under center with no pullers. DPJ comes in motion from wide right to tight right at the line. Unfortunately DPJ straight up whiffs on 32 Mathieu who makes the tackle just past the LOS. This was one failed WR block away from going for a much bigger gain as everyone else made their block. The entire OL and Njoku did their jobs here. Even Bell had made his block on the 2nd level. Biggest fuck up: Peoples-Jones

Play 14 - Chubb for 1. Under center with Bryant motioning across the formation right to left and Teller pulling right to left. 96 Granderson does a good job stacking and eventually shedding Njoku just past the line of scrimmage to make the play. Wills went to the 2nd level, but mostly whiffed on 42 Hansen who also helped clean up the tackle. Biggest fuck up: Njoku, but a high level play by the defender

Play 15 - Chubb for 2. Under center with no pullers. 56 Davis comes flying in like a missile and knocks Teller a full yard and a half into the backfield and directly into Chubb's lap. Chubb is able to maintain his balance and literally spin off Teller's back for a gain of 2 on 2nd and 1. Heck of an individual effort by Chubb here. Biggest fuck up: Teller

Play 15 - Chubb for 0. Shotgun with Bitonio, Pocic and Conklin pulling right to left. Wills gets destroyed 1-on-1 by 93 Onyemata who makes the play at the LOS. Again, this is blocked good enough across the board to be a big gain and one guy getting blown up submarines the whole thing. Biggest fuck up: Wills

Play 16 - Chubb for -3. Shotgun with Bitonio and Pocic pulling right to left. Wills again gets destroyed 1-on-1, this time by 91 Street and Pocic also completely whiffs on his pull block attempt on 55 Elliss. 91 and 55 tackle Chubb deep in the backfield for a big loss. Biggest fuck up: Wills and Pocic

Play 16 - Chubb for 2. Under center, pitch wide with Wills pulling left. Pocic is unable to maintain his block on 93 Onyemata which forces Wills to pick up 93 on the pull (not his intended block). Chubb actually runs into Pocic's back who is blocking no one. On the backside Conklin is unable to make his reach block on 97 Roach who comes all the way across the formation to make the play backside, but that play isn't made if Chubb doesn't slam into Pocic's back frontside. Biggest fuck up: Pocic

So anyway, as you can see there were very few plays where an unblocked backside defender just followed behind the pullers and made the play. It really only happened once and that play was a mistimed mess from the snap.

 

[buzzdog]

We don't have the All-22 yet, so I'm going off the TV broadcast, but I went back and gave a quick look at all the minimally successful run plays in the game.

Play 1 - Chubb for 0. Under center and no pullers. Njoku gets beat badly in a 1-on-1 block by 55 Eliss who makes the tackle at the line. Even if Njoku maintains his block, both Teller and Conklin were pushed a yard into the backfield. Biggest fuck up: Njoku

Play 2 - Chubb for 2. Under center with Teller pulling right to left. DPJ fails on his block at the point of attack on the nickel corner and Teller pulling across the formation completely whiffs on the linebacker. Those two defenders combine for the tackle. Biggest fuck up: Peoples-Jones and Teller

Play 3 - Chubb for -2. Under center with Bryant and Wills pulling left to right. Timing was off on this from the jump. Either Bryant was too slow getting across the formation with his motion or Pocic and Watson snapped the ball too early. Not sure who is at fault because there was 9 seconds on the play clock. Immediately after the snap Watson had to literally avoid running into Bryant who was right behind him as he turned to give to Chubb. This threw off the whole timing off the play and the unblocked backside defender made the tackle on Chubb easily. Biggest fuck up: The overall timing of the play (either Bryant too slow or Watson/Pocic too quick)

Play 4 - Chubb for 1. Under center with no pullers. Conklin gets completely shoved backwards and off his block by 94 Jordan on the backside. Jordan pursues down the line to make the tackle from the backside. If Conklin makes his block, everyone else had blocked their 1-on-1 effectively enough for this to be a much bigger gain. Biggest fuck up: Conklin

Play 5 - Chubb for 0. Under center with no pullers. 91 Street immediately beats a Pocic/Teller double team. Bitonio also gets ragdolled in space by 99 Tuttle who makes the play along with unblocked LB 56 Davis, who was likely one of Pocic/Teller's responsibility after peeling off the initial double team. Biggest fuck up: Pocic and Teller

Play 6 - Chubb for 2. Shotgun with Bitonio pulling left to right. 94 Jordan pushes Njoku into the backfield, then sheds him and makes the play. Tough ask for Njoku to not get stacked and shedded against a really good DE. Otherwise well blocked. Bitonio made his block in space. Did convert a 1D on 2nd and 1. Biggest fuck up: Njoku, but a high level play by the defender

Play 7 - Hunt for 2. Shotgun with Bitonio and Pocic both pulling from right to left. 96 Granderson beats Bitonio inside and forces Hunt to cut up the middle into the pile. If Bitonio makes his block this could go for more yards as Wills, Teller and Njoku have all made their blocks and Pocic would be out in front of Hunt off left tackle. Biggest fuck up: Bitonio

Play 8 - Hunt for -3. Under center with Njoku pulling across the formation. Total confusion here as to who is supposed to block who. Cooper releases 32 Mathieu to Njoku so he can block 55 Eliss on the 2nd level, but Wills ALSO releases 96 Granderson to Njoku and ALSO goes up to 55 Eliss on the 2nd level. Obviously Njoku can only block one, so he blocks Mathieu, but that leaves Granderson completely unblocked to make the play in the backfield. I'm not sure which one screwed up, but one of Wills or Cooper was not supposed to do what they did. Biggest fuck up: one of Cooper or Wills for blowing assignment

Play 9 - Hunt for 1. Under center with no pullers. Classic wide stretch zone play here. 94 Jordan does a great job of stringing Conklin along while maintaining the edge. Just a really good play by a really good defensive player. I would like to see the All-22 view from behind to see if Hunt missed a cut back lane or not. Also worth noting that the Browns did rush to get this play snapped to avoid a challenge on the previous play. Biggest fuck up: Conklin, but a high level play by the defender

Play 10 - Chubb for 0. Under center with no pullers. Wills gets moved backwards on his 1-on-1 block by 96 Granderson into Chubb's intended path. It does appear that if Chubb had stayed outside of Wills left shoulder instead of trying to cutback inside he would have gained 1-2 more yards. Biggest fuck up: Wills

Play 11 - Chubb for 1. Shotgun with Teller and Conklin both pulling from right to left. Teller makes his block, but gets stood up just enough to where Conklin isn't able to pull around him. Conklin ends up literally running into Teller's back which forces Chubb to slow down which also allows the unblocked backside defender to make the play along with the unblocked linebacker on the 2nd level (Conklin's intended target). This was designed really well and was going to go for big yardage if Teller and Conklin could have just executed it correctly on the front side. Biggest fuck up: Teller and Conklin

Play 11 - Hunt for -1. Under center with no pullers. This is a straight up FB dive with Hunt in at FB. Pocic and Njoku both get completely blown up 1-on-1 and Hunt just has zero chance. No running back in the NFL converts this play. Hunt literally had both blockers (Pocic and Njoku) literally in his lap at he was getting the ball. Wills, Bitonio, Teller and Conklin all made their blocks and drove their defenders backwards. Biggest fuck up: Pocic and Njoku

Play 12 - Hunt for 3. Under center with Teller pulling right to left. Njoku and Bryant have immediate miscommunication on which of them is supposed to block the two defenders in front of them which leads to a unblocked linebacker knifing into the backfield. Teller makes a great heads up play to chip the unblocked man as he's making his pull (not his assignment), but he's not able to get to his intended block on the 2nd level. Hunt runs really hard and turns this into a 3-yard gain, but it should have gone for more had Njoku and Bryant not screwed up initially. Biggest fuck up: Njoku and Bryant

Play 13 - Hunt for 2. Under center with no pullers. DPJ comes in motion from wide right to tight right at the line. Unfortunately DPJ straight up whiffs on 32 Mathieu who makes the tackle just past the LOS. This was one failed WR block away from going for a much bigger gain as everyone else made their block. The entire OL and Njoku did their jobs here. Even Bell had made his block on the 2nd level. Biggest fuck up: Peoples-Jones

Play 14 - Chubb for 1. Under center with Bryant motioning across the formation right to left and Teller pulling right to left. 96 Granderson does a good job stacking and eventually shedding Njoku just past the line of scrimmage to make the play. Wills went to the 2nd level, but mostly whiffed on 42 Hansen who also helped clean up the tackle. Biggest fuck up: Njoku, but a high level play by the defender

Play 15 - Chubb for 2. Under center with no pullers. 56 Davis comes flying in like a missile and knocks Teller a full yard and a half into the backfield and directly into Chubb's lap. Chubb is able to maintain his balance and literally spin off Teller's back for a gain of 2 on 2nd and 1. Heck of an individual effort by Chubb here. Biggest fuck up: Teller

Play 15 - Chubb for 0. Shotgun with Bitonio, Pocic and Conklin pulling right to left. Wills gets destroyed 1-on-1 by 93 Onyemata who makes the play at the LOS. Again, this is blocked good enough across the board to be a big gain and one guy getting blown up submarines the whole thing. Biggest fuck up: Wills

Play 16 - Chubb for -3. Shotgun with Bitonio and Pocic pulling right to left. Wills again gets destroyed 1-on-1, this time by 91 Street and Pocic also completely whiffs on his pull block attempt on 55 Elliss. 91 and 55 tackle Chubb deep in the backfield for a big loss. Biggest fuck up: Wills and Pocic

Play 16 - Chubb for 2. Under center, pitch wide with Wills pulling left. Pocic is unable to maintain his block on 93 Onyemata which forces Wills to pick up 93 on the pull (not his intended block). Chubb actually runs into Pocic's back who is blocking no one. On the backside Conklin is unable to make his reach block on 97 Roach who comes all the way across the formation to make the play backside, but that play isn't made if Chubb doesn't slam into Pocic's back frontside. Biggest fuck up: Pocic

So anyway, as you can see there were very few plays where an unblocked backside defender just followed behind the pullers and made the play. It really only happened once and that play was a mistimed mess from the snap.

Quite a piece of work. Looks like it took some time, I hope you enjoyed it. My comments are more based on what I watched going all the way back to about the Patriots game, That's when it seemed to start. I wasn't really using the Saints game as a reference at all. Too bad our OL sucks so bad when we have the best OLine coach in the business, the players must really suck. I don't keep the recordings so I can't go back play by play through the whole season or back to the Pats game when I first thought I saw what I saw. Even if I had the recordings I'd never take the time to do it, I just don't have time to spare. But if and when you do I'll be interested to see if you see what I saw or maybe you just think I like to make things up. Around then I saw the wide run plays getting blown up by guys blitzing through the gap left by pulling OL and catching the play by pursuing down the LOS right behind the pullers, more than once. It wasn't every play, but when I saw it it was a bad feeling that if they could do it other teams would see the tape and would copy that to counter our strength. We sure had some poor rushing games since then for some reason.

But hey, I'm sure anything wrong with our offense is 100% on the players the way you proved in the Saints game review. It couldn't possibly be anything related to coaching. Too bad the players just completely forgot how to block. I wonder why that happened.

 

[CBBI]

Quite a piece of work. Looks like it took some time, I hope you enjoyed it. My comments are more based on what I watched going all the way back to about the Patriots game, That's when it seemed to start. I wasn't really using the Saints game as a reference at all. Too bad our OL sucks so bad when we have the best OLine coach in the business, the players must really suck. I don't keep the recordings so I can't go back play by play through the whole season or back to the Pats game when I first thought I saw what I saw. Even if I had the recordings I'd never take the time to do it, I just don't have time to spare. But if and when you do I'll be interested to see if you see what I saw or maybe you just think I like to make things up. Around then I saw the wide run plays getting blown up by guys blitzing through the gap left by pulling OL and catching the play by pursuing down the LOS right behind the pullers, more than once. It wasn't every play, but when I saw it it was a bad feeling that if they could do it other teams would see the tape and would copy that to counter our strength. We sure had some poor rushing games since then for some reason.

But hey, I'm sure anything wrong with our offense is 100% on the players the way you proved in the Saints game review. It couldn't possibly be anything related to coaching. Too bad the players just completely forgot how to block. I wonder why that happened.

You know your post was pretty good until you threw this dumb bullshit in at the end

But I guess I shouldn't be surprised by that.

And look, you're not even incorrect that more Browns runs are being stopped by backside pursuit since the bye week than before.

I just happen to disagree with you on why that is the case. This idea that the Browns are spamming too many wide running plays with pullers isn't the reason why those plays aren't working as well as they used to. It's not a matter of "putting too much on tape" or anything of the sort.

Those plays are getting blown up from the backside more regularly because the front side blocks simply aren't being made as consistently or effectively as they were the first 10 weeks.

And no, it's not the same guys.

The Browns quite frankly got near Pro Bowl caliber play from Pocic at C weeks 1-10 and from Teller at RG weeks 1-6 (and decent enough RG play from Froholdt week 6-10)

That dropped off to literally replacement level center play from Froholdt and post-injury Teller. That sort of downgrade in performance is a far bigger factor than the Browns running too many of the same schemes or whatever you have been trying to suggest.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

You know your post was pretty good until you threw this dumb bullshit in at the end

But I guess I shouldn't be surprised by that.

And look, you're not even incorrect that more Browns runs are being stopped by backside pursuit since the bye week than before.

I just happen to disagree with you on why that is the case. This idea that the Browns are spamming too many wide running plays with pullers isn't the reason why those plays aren't working as well as they used to. It's not a matter of "putting too much on tape" or anything of the sort.

Those plays are getting blown up from the backside more regularly because the front side blocks simply aren't being made as consistently or effectively as they were the first 10 weeks.

And no, it's not the same guys.

The Browns quite frankly got near Pro Bowl caliber play from Pocic at C weeks 1-10 and from Teller at RG weeks 1-6 (and decent enough RG play from Froholdt week 6-10)

That dropped off to literally replacement level center play from Froholdt and post-injury Teller. That sort of downgrade in performance is a far bigger factor than the Browns running too many of the same schemes or whatever you have been trying to suggest.

I think it's pretty clear when people have hate boners and just ignore things.

Everyone can see the running game struggle. Everyone can see backside pursuit occasionally getting Chubb in the backfield.

But it takes a special sort of stubbornness to go "Yeah, that's because the person I don't like sucks."

The plays work. It's stuff that every team in the NFL has run for decades. It isn't "a playcallling" thing. You even have your fellow brothers on RCF taking time to watch the film and break it down for you.

Yet you choose to bury your head in the sand instead?

Yikes.

 

[CBBI]

But hey, I'm sure anything wrong with our offense is 100% on the players the way you proved in the Saints game review. It couldn't possibly be anything related to coaching. Too bad the players just completely forgot how to block. I wonder why that happened.

And despite this snarky bullshit response by you, I'll still address it.

No. I don't think the failures on Saturday were entirely on the players.

If an offensive lineman doesn't make a 1-on-1 block, then yes that is on that player failing.

But there were 3 times in the 16 minimally successful plays in the Saints game alone where at least one player on the field either didn't know or couldn't remember his blocking assignment. That is on coaching.

There were at least two plays where Njoku was asked to block a defensive end 1-on-1, which is a difficult ask. The decision have Njoku coming off a knee injury try and do that, even though he's improved over the years as a blocker, is on coaching.