Jarrett Allen: Nice Head of Hair

[Lee]

Center Salaries 2021-2022:

(1) Rudy Gobert - $35,344,828
(2) KAT - $31,650,600
(3) Joel Embiid - $31,579,390
(4) Nikola Jokic - $31,579,390
(5) Nikola Vucevic - $24,000,000
(6) Myles Turner - $18,000,000
(7) Clint Capela - $17,103,448
(8) Jonas Valanciunas - $14,000,000
(9) Brook Lopez - $13,302,325
(10) DeAndre Ayton - $12,632,950
(11) Jusuf Nurkic - $12,000,000
(12) Dwight Powell - $11,080,125


Clint Capela's contract should be JA's ceiling IMO.

Clint signed that contract 3 years ago. I know pandemic has made revenue go down, but it will be going back up and agents will use that as a point of negotiation.

Capela got 5 years 90 mill, or 18 a year, somewhere between 18-20 mill a year seams reasonable for allen.

As for Sexton, 22-24 mill a year, but i think he wants a max and that does worry me.

 

[Lee]

Can anyone give me some ideas where Jarrett Allen is going to improve in the future? Because I'm just not seeing it. Not that he's a bad player, but his per 36 min stats are basically flat across his entire career. I don't see room for growth, just a steady solid contributor.

His shooting will get better, he will be able to extend the defense.

He is only 21/22 this year, he will improve on strength and not get pushed around as much.

Those should be the 2 biggest areas, but both would be huge to his improvement.

 

[Man Called X]

Clint signed that contract 3 years ago. I know pandemic has made revenue go down, but it will be going back up and agents will use that as a point of negotiation.

Capela got 5 years 90 mill, or 18 a year, somewhere between 18-20 mill a year seams reasonable for allen.

As for Sexton, 22-24 mill a year, but i think he wants a max and that does worry me.

His shooting will get better, he will be able to extend the defense.

He is only 21/22 this year, he will improve on strength and not get pushed around as much.

Those should be the 2 biggest areas, but both would be huge to his improvement.

Clint improved every season, and showed more and more. Allen has literally looked like the same player since he was drafted. That's my argument.

Improvement and growth would lead me to believe there's an improvement in the numbers. Allen is about as flat as can be. He's consistent, but he is what he is.

Anything more than 16 mil a year and he's overpriced himself.

 

[Green Lantern]

Can anyone give me some ideas where Jarrett Allen is going to improve in the future? Because I'm just not seeing it. Not that he's a bad player, but his per 36 min stats are basically flat across his entire career. I don't see room for growth, just a steady solid contributor.

I think Lee summed it up .As I have watched him, I wonder how much he can improve, or up his game..I would add rebounds also. Or establishing postion more.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Clint improved every season, and showed more and more. Allen has literally looked like the same player since he was drafted. That's my argument.

Improvement and growth would lead me to believe there's an improvement in the numbers. Allen is about as flat as can be. He's consistent, but he is what he is.

Anything more than 16 mil a year and he's overpriced himself.

Bradley Zimmer has 0.8 bWAR through 42 games this year.

The Indians have 90 games left.

That would put him at about 2.5 bWAR on the season.

 

[Man Called X]

I think Lee summed it up .As I have watched him, I wonder how much he can improve, or up his game..I would add rebounds also. Or establishing postion more.

What I'm looking at, is seeing him play 20 mpg, 26 mpg, 30 mpg, and his per 36 numbers have stayed relatively flat.

What I would expect to see happening is as he's becoming a better player for there to be some variance in his per 36 numbers. He's scoring at the same rate, rebounding at the same rate, basically looking like the same player he's been. I don't say that he's a bad player, but I think his development has plateaued and he is what he is.

I'm not overpaying on the idea that he some untapped potential. The only place I can really find any movement is in his ability to create for himself. And part of me argues that was based more on Cleveland's shitty offense than him becoming a low post threat.

 

[adam81king]

Can anyone give me some ideas where Jarrett Allen is going to improve in the future? Because I'm just not seeing it. Not that he's a bad player, but his per 36 min stats are basically flat across his entire career. I don't see room for growth, just a steady solid contributor.

Jarrett Allen, until being traded to Cleveland, has never averaged 30mpg, and only averaged 30.3mpg here. His raw counting stats will improve with more minutes, and his efficiency will improve with actual experience. He'll get stronger with age. More skilled as his role increases with purposeful development.

The weird thing is, Allen's numbers are pretty similar to Rudy Goberts...especially when you compare them on a per minute basis.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

His raw counting stats will improve with more minutes, and his efficiency will improve with actual experience. He'll get stronger with age. More skilled as his role increases with purposeful development.

How do we know the bolded is true? He's gotten lots of experience since first entering the league, but as pointed out by @Man Called X , his per 36's how no real improvement. Why just assume that now?

 

[adam81king]

How do we know the bolded is true? He's gotten lots of experience since first entering the league, but as pointed out by @Man Called X , his per 36's how no real improvement. Why just assume that now?

Because, other than the clusterfuck of a season he had in Cleveland, his FG% has gone up every year of his career...and he's also seen increased volume every year (except his 3rd year, when he averaged half a shot less than his 2nd year. 4th year was more than 2nd year and continued the trend).

58.9%
59%
64%
67.7% (Brooklyn)
61% (Cleveland)

 

[Cavatt]

Jarrett Allen, until being traded to Cleveland, has never averaged 30mpg, and only averaged 30.3mpg here. His raw counting stats will improve with more minutes, and his efficiency will improve with actual experience. He'll get stronger with age. More skilled as his role increases with purposeful development.

The weird thing is, Allen's numbers are pretty similar to Rudy Goberts...especially when you compare them on a per minute basis.

Can he play 30 min a game? Seemed gassed and worn down at the end of the season. I hope part of his springs isn't just his low minutes

 

[LeeBuckeye]

Because, other than the clusterfuck of a season he had in Cleveland, his FG% has gone up every year of his career...and he's also seen increased volume every year (except his 3rd year, when he averaged half a shot less than his 2nd year. 4th year was more than 2nd year and continued the trend).

58.9%
59%
64%
67.7% (Brooklyn)
61% (Cleveland)

67.7% in Brooklyn is a pretty small sample size with 12 games played (5 games started) while he got 61.8 FG% across 63 games total.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

I think Jarrett Allen profiles as, at best, sort of a new-age Dalembert. He's a defensive center who rolls to the basket, plays good defense, blocks shots--except Allen is a bit more capable on the perimeter, and someone like Dalembert was a bit stronger and more capable in the post. Allen has a more capable rolling to the basket game because of his fleeter feet and lighter britches, but also isn't setting those devastating screens that the bigger centers are capable of.

If Allen comes in somewhere in the 16-18 million dollar range annually, that sounds like a pretty good contract for a pretty good player. If he's approaching max money, there's no way I want to have that albatross around our necks--and I don't really value our cap space that highly in the first place.

I think the Cavs have to just wait and see what the market is for Allen. Either you keep a good player on a good contract, or you let some other team stick a negative asset on their payroll.

 

[SVC]

Thinking about Sexton and Allen contracts just makes me get more irritated at Love contract. Allen at $20 million or Sexton at $22 million might be a few million overpay.

Love at $60 million for next two years is a $55 million overpay. We are worrying about shit that shouldn’t be a concern during a rebuild.

 

[adam81king]

If you all want to discount the numbers in front of you, that's completely fair. It involves ignoring the numbers, though.

Jarrett Allen is 22yrs old and puts up numbers that compare to the reigning DPoY, despite not playing more than 20 minutes per game in his career. He was traded to a new team that was tanking, during a global pandemic, got a concussion and struggled a bit. Every other season, and even some stats within the new stop, were continued improvements on his career trajectory. Don't also forget that Allen is a good FT shooter so he isn't a liability at the line at the end of games like Capella.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Thinking about Sexton and Allen contracts just makes me get more irritated at Love contract. Allen at $20 million or Sexton at $22 million might be a few million overpay.

Love at $60 million for next two years is a $55 million overpay. We are worrying about shit that shouldn’t be a concern during a rebuild.

What we're paying Love isn't relevant to the discussion because he's not going to be on the team long-term. By the time this team is ready to compete for the conference, he'll be gone. Allen and Sexton are being discussed for fit long-term, so what we'd be paying them does matter because they'll still be on that contract when we're looking to compete.