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John Beilein: Continuing his education

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Grade the coaching hire

  • A+

    Votes: 13 13.0%
  • A

    Votes: 51 51.0%
  • B

    Votes: 30 30.0%
  • C

    Votes: 4 4.0%
  • D

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • F

    Votes: 2 2.0%

  • Total voters
    100
  • Poll closed .
Do we want him catering the whole team to Kevin Love? That's the big question to me. Love showed up only when he was contractually obligated, and despite his talent, he has not led the team on the court like he even did last year. TT has been the leader, and Beilein gets him opportunities. I think there might be an ego thing going on with Beilien and Love. Everyone knows Love is being shopped, so why should Beilein cater to this pouty guy.

I want him developing the young guys for sure. I really do want him to help Collin become a better decision maker. People say he doesn't pass or doesn't have vision, I am not sure that is the problem. I think he sees himself as the best basketball play every time, when really he should be taking advantage of guys he can take off the dribble, and when the drive isn't there pass the ball. That's it.
No we don't him catering to Love..but as far as scoring goes, what else is there especially with the bigs in stock??
Now as far as Love goes, don't like the attitude..where was this years ago?
There probably is a battle going on with Beilien and Loveme/Lovemenot.
Your comment about Sexton is interesting because I see the same thing, almost a lesser degree that Clarkston has.
 
I started this flood of Beilein posts before I went out for a couple of hours... surprised to see how it has taken off. The tread has seemed to have evolved into the type or offense we want to have and the lack of talent on the roster. While both of these are worthy topics, my complaint was that every player was playing hero ball every time down the court. Regardless of the system and the talent, things like swinging the ball to the weak side, getting good shots with hockey assists, and other basic concepts were totally ignored last night while the coach seemed like a guy who had bought a ticket rather than a guy in charge of what was going on. Early on I worried that Beilein might have just been looking for a big paycheck before retiring and I'm starting to think this is the case.
 
Okay, then that's exactly where we disagree. First, Beilein apparently is not a guy we expect to be running the show in 5 years, so drafting talent to fit his specific vision of how a team should be run seems a dicey proposition to me. But second -- and perhaps more importantly -- it's not like the draft is a smorgasbord of equal talent at every position, so you can mix and match whatever you want to get the same quality talent to fit every system. Maybe the most talented guy available is not a guard at all, nor a guy who fits well in a guard centric system. Maybe it's someone like Jokic, or Zion or Giannis. Do you bypass greater talent just to get a guard, because that's what your system requires?

I think I should have been using less literal terms like guard and been speaking more to philosophy. Belein has a perimeter oriented philosophy. The NBA has been trending in that direction for a long time.....so I don't think it's some philosophical mismatch here, that is the issue. Maybe you stumble in to a player that makes you rethink philosophy but I'd argue guys like Giannis, Jokic, Zion, etc. fit in nearly any system.....so yeah, obviously you aren't bypassing greater talent just to get guards.......but that wasn't my point.

My comment was "it is about putting a stake in the ground and saying "this is the system I believe in, here are its' principles, find me players who can play in it".......that system is one predicated on spacing.....with mainly player and ball movement but flexible enough to allow ISO play based on matchups or personnel. Don't nearly all good players succeed in systems like that?

Belein has also succeeded doing different things on offense.....when he had less creative players on offense, it was more movement. When he had more creative players, it was more spacing.....etc, etc. But the engine of those offenses has always been perimeter oriented players or players who could accent the offense with perimeter oriented skills (bigs passing, bigs shooting, etc.).

Right now, we have a lot of draft capital expended in perimeter players......if those guys can't play in a guard centric or perimeter oriented system, then you move on from them. This comment is specific to players on our roster......it has nothing to do with draft strategy today. I was speaking to evaluating current roster talent in the preferred offensive system. At this point in our timeline, I just don't see why you do anything else. If guys can't succeed in a perimeter friendly system, with a coach who gives players a lot of offensive autonomy, then maybe they just aren't NBA players? Which is still important to find out. My comments were based solely on current available players and the assessment of those assets.

And my view is that when you have a collection of nothing, the first and only order of business is to acquire the greatest amount of talent you can, regardless of position, and regardless of the system you prefer to run. Talent before system-fit. I'd actually say that changes as you get further into the rebuild, because you'll likely have developed a system around the talent you've already acquired. But when you're just starting off...talent is everything.

Sure.....but there is still nuance to talent acquisition. Do you want Harden? Or do you want Curry? Maybe you want both? But if you are choosing, there's a reason why.......and there's probably also an argument to be made that you are selecting a "less talented" player, regardless of that choice. That is entirely splitting hairs, because they're both great but it is also true that fit and philosophy matter as well when considering roster construction.

But again, my comments were not on talent acquisition if you look back. They are comments on where we currently are in the rebuild cycle and what we should be focusing on doing. Our focus should not be on building a system around our talent, because our talent is bad. Our focus should be on determining wether, philosophically, any of the current players fit in to our vision of what we aspire to be. Is that set in stone? Well no.....it's not. If we stumble in to Anthony Davis, I would imagine our philosophy will change.....until we get Anthony Davis though, we have to have some plan or vision.....we have to understand, at a high level, how we aspire to play and find guys (within a talent tier) that fit that vision.
 
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How is it not?
Guys tighten up when they think they're on a short leash.

You can certainly pull guys for lack of effort or focus, but I'm simply talking about execution.

Obviously their roles can increase or decrease over time, but I'm just talking about within a single game.

If our goal was winning games, I'd feel differently, but we aren't.
 
Early on I worried that Beilein might have just been looking for a big paycheck before retiring and I'm starting to think this is the case.

Huh? Beilein got a new contract in 2018 at Michigan, that bumped his salary to $3.8 mil plus incentives. Prior to that, he was making $3+ million a year. I highly doubt his motivation was money. He basically had a rolling lifetime contract at Michigan for $4 million a year. He didn't need more money.
 
Huh? Beilein got a new contract in 2018 at Michigan, that bumped his salary to $3.8 mil plus incentives. Prior to that, he was making $3+ million a year. I highly doubt his motivation was money. He basically had a rolling lifetime contract at Michigan for $4 million a year. He didn't need more money.
Instead of retiring at Michigan, he will get fired after this year or next and take an extra 3-4 years of pay with him.
 
Instead of retiring at Michigan, he will get fired after this year or next and take an extra 3-4 years of pay with him.

He's 66 years old and spent 12 years making multi-million dollar pay days living in Ann Arbor, MI.

I'd be utterly shocked if he didn't have more money than he could reasonably spend in his lifetime. He had an estimated net worth near $20 million prior to his NBA contract, not considering future earnings.

It's not like he was toiling away, coaching basketball at some doormat MAC school. He spent nearly two decades on million dollar plus contracts at WVU and UM. It being money related seems like a massive stretch.
 
He's 66 years old and spent 12 years making multi-million dollar pay days living in Ann Arbor, MI.

I'd be utterly shocked if he didn't have more money than he could reasonably spend in his lifetime. He had an estimated net worth near $20 million prior to his NBA contract, not considering future earnings.

It's not like he was toiling away, coaching basketball at some doormat MAC school. He spent nearly two decades on million dollar plus contracts at WVU and UM. It being money related seems like a massive stretch.
I don't think Bill Gates needs more money either, but he sure seems to like making more.
 
I want to like him and I'm sure there is more to it but his handling of Sexton is egregious.

And playcalling down the stretch, wtf. Love is on fore, something like seven shots in a row, and you don't either design a play to get him open or at least cleverly use him as a distraction or an on ball screen?
 
I want to like him and I'm sure there is more to it but his handling of Sexton is egregious.

And playcalling down the stretch, wtf. Love is on fore, something like seven shots in a row, and you don't either design a play to get him open or at least cleverly use him as a distraction or an on ball screen?

Casey is smart. They had Kevin all covered up. That was why it made sense to attack with Collin and Darius. They had 3 shots at the basket and missed all 3...
 
 

Umm.... If he hadn't lost the Locker room. He certainly has now. This is not a good look.
 

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