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Man Called X said:
You tell me how this quote means anything other than dude was a blatant racist.
"For what the question he asked, it’s a thought pattern. You’re taught that. It’s not like – it’s the hate you give. And I feel like it’s something you’re taught. It’s not – the privilege he has was taught to him, and he took heed of it and run with it even further than somebody who was not – who was oblivious to what they have and what the life they lived. Because some people just go through their life – not not necessarily knowing, but not aware and privy to somebody else’s circumstances. He’s a person who’s just very aware of somebody else’s circumstances and want to keep them there, as opposed to try to help him elevate up. And I don’t respect anything about that. "
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Sounds to me like he doesn't buy into white privilege. That may make him an unsympathetic ear to those who do, but it doesn't make him a white supremacist. Although I suppose that if someone defines white supremacy as not endorsing the concept of white privilege, you could make that connection. I just don't think everyone else does make that connection, so if someone is going to be accused of "white supremacy", it needs to be spelled out exactly what is meant by that accusation.
 
Man Called X said:
Is it really a surprise dude was traded away less than 4 months after we acquired him and is now playing overseas?
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You honestly think THAT'S why he was traded away less than 4 months after we acquired him and is also the reason he's playing overseas?


...........or.................. perhaps it could be that the dude is NOT GOOD and majority of NBA teams (probably all) didn't want him?

He was bad everywhere he went but a couple bad teams (Cleveland + Washington) tried to give him a shot because he was young-ish and hoped he had potential..... he did not. Therefore he's overseas.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
Sounds to me like he doesn't buy into white privilege. That may make him an unsympathetic ear to those who do, but it doesn't make him a white supremacist. Although I suppose that if someone defines white supremacy as not endorsing the concept of white privilege, you could make that connection. I just don't think everyone else does make that connection, so if someone is going to be accused of "white supremacy", it needs to be spelled out exactly what is meant by that accusation.
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Literally the same year he had to walk back tweets about not being ashamed to be white and proud of it. I know plenty of people that make comments like that, and rest assured, they're all telling n%@#$ jokes standing around in the garage.

"He’s a person who’s just very aware of somebody else’s circumstances and want to keep them there, as opposed to try to help him elevate up." This is the quote that said everything I needed to hear.

The question Dekker posed struck me as one of those "Why can't I say the n word as a white guy?" type of questions. It was obviously enough that a dude who played with him for a total of 4 months calls him the only teammate he can't stand. This is the same J.R. who was teammates with Jae Crowder after all that drama.

So spare me the defense of the poor white guy being misconstrued.
 
Man Called X said:
Literally the same year he had to walk back tweets about not being ashamed to be white and proud of it. I know plenty of people that make comments like that, and rest assured, they're all telling n%@#$ jokes standing around in the garage.

"He’s a person who’s just very aware of somebody else’s circumstances and want to keep them there, as opposed to try to help him elevate up." This is the quote that said everything I needed to hear.

The question Dekker posed struck me as one of those "Why can't I say the n word as a white guy?" type of questions. It was obviously enough that a dude who played with him for a total of 4 months calls him the only teammate he can't stand. This is the same J.R. who was teammates with Jae Crowder after all that drama.

So spare me the defense of the poor white guy being misconstrued.
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Not worth it. He argued with me for 3 days that the Confederate Flag wasn't racist. The flag of a self-proclaimed White Supremacist State, created to specifically preserve chattel slavery.
 
Cavatt said:
Not worth it. He argued with me for 3 days that the Confederate Flag wasn't racist. The flag of a self-proclaimed White Supremacist State, created to specifically preserve chattel slavery.
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Oh, god, here we go.

If you're going to say something like that, you should at least link the discussion. My position on the Confederate flag has always been that it is wrong to fly it. Regardless of whether the individual flying it is just a non-racist Lynyrd Skynrd fan celebrating being a southerner, or an actual racist, they should be sensitive to the clear historical context in which it existed. It was a battle flag flown by armies that, whatever else was part of their cause, were defending slavery.

So while it is possible to attach a non-racist interpretation to that flag, it is still wrong to fly it.

Plus, we won, they lost, so they should get over it.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
Oh, god, here we go.

If you're going to say something like that, you should at least link the discussion. My position on the Confederate flag has always been that it is wrong to fly it. Regardless of whether the individual flying it is just a non-racist Lynyrd Skynrd fan celebrating being a southerner, or an actual racist, they should be sensitive to the clear historical context in which it existed. It was a battle flag flown by armies that, whatever else was part of their cause, were defending slavery.

So while it is possible to attach a non-racist interpretation to that flag, it is still wrong to fly it.

Plus, we won, they lost, so they should get over it.
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Racial Tension in the U.S.

Re-quoting for real answer by @David. Answers to the "are some races inferior to others" questions always are interesting, especially if they answer honestly. Do you think black people are better at sports than white people?
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Cavatt said:
See I would argue it is exactly like the Nazi flag....You can't pick and choose the good thing a flag of an enemy represents when the central theme is something that should be vilified. Anything else is not a credit to nuance, but a refutation of it.
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Your repsonse:

"I'll just say I don't agree with the argument that the Nazi flag stood for self-determination in the same sense as did the Confederate flag, and leave it at that.

To put it differently, I do not believe everyone who flies a confederate flag is a racist. I do believe that everyone who flies a Nazi flag is a white supremacist. "


I will just say I asked a Nazi about the Swastika and they said it was merely a symbol representing the refutation of economic reparations imposed due to Germany's culpability in WWI. The fact that it got associated with the Holocaust was just an unintended side-effect of a policy of wealth extraction to fund the war by targeting specific demographic groups. The point of the war wasn't to eliminate the Jews, just to make Germany Great Again. Plus some people just think it is cool-looking and shouldn't be associated with the bad things and should only be associated with the good things Nazi Germany did like create the VW Beetle.

You make a lot of arguments that are in group/out group. Kap couldn't be respectful of the flag while he was kneeling, but flying the confederate flag is not necessarily racist, but wait for this, a Nazi flag is! It is better to give the person flying a flag of a racist state the benefit of the doubt, while knowing for sure that someone who is kneeling, something not disrespectful under any other circumstances, is disrespecting the flag. If I had seen you stand up to people misconstruing the "what's in their heart" of people of color like I have with Dekker or Confederates, I wouldn't have brought it up. Keep in mind accusations like this have been made of Dekker before, it isn't his first rodeo.

I'd LOVE to know what the "thin blue line" flag means to you and whether it is respectful to alter the colors of the Stars and Stripes to stand for a single group of professionals.
 
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J.R. Smith shoots 83-78 in college debut for North Carolina A&T at Elon Phoenix Invitational​

The two-time NBA champion was grinding early in his first outing​

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Former NBA guard J.R. Smith made his college golf debut for North Carolina A&T on Monday at the Elon Phoenix Invitational, and that sentence alone might be worth its own book some day. For now, Smith shot 83-78 and beat a pair of La Salle golfers as North Carolina A&T sits in 11th place (of 13 teams) after Day 1 of competition.
The Aggies did not use either of Smith's scores toward their total. In college golf, teams drop one of five scores, and his was the lowest both times. Still, it was a pretty decent start for somebody who, on this day a year ago, was busy winning Game 6 of the NBA Finals with the Los Angeles Lakers -- his second of two titles in his nearly two decades in the NBA.

Smith, who qualified to play in the No. 5 spot on North Carolina A&T's team, made two birdies and two doubles in his first five holes of play on Monday. That is what you would probably expect from a world-class athlete trying to contend on a fairly high level in a sport he has not played competitively for extended periods of time. Unfortunately, he only made one other birdie over his next 31 holes of play on the day (golfers played 36 on Monday at Alamance Country Club in Burlington, North Carolina).
Smith looked the part, although the photos themselves are surreal. Can you imagine being the fifth guy for George Mason or Radford and rolling up to somebody who was flying private with LeBron James 12 months ago and made $88.3 million over the course of his career?


Interestingly, Smith was paired with Pedro Rabadan of Elon, who leads the event after Day 1. That fact brought is humorous in light of this quote from A&T head coach Richard Watkins from before the tournament begin.

"I'm hoping it puts pressure on the two guys playing with him," said Watkins. "I'm hoping it does not affect him. You would think a guy like J.R. is used to having eyes on him."
Perhaps it brought some pressure on the other two guys, but clearly not enough as Rabadan shot 65-66 to lead the event by four.
Regardless, the outcome for Smith is good, and his swing looked fantastic. And while it perhaps did not lead to the scorecard Smith wanted on Monday, it's fantastic that somebody so accomplished on one discipline is entering the arena in another one. Golf is a vulnerable game, playing with a bunch of college kids probably even more so. Smith clearly loves it enough to dive in regardless and risk, failure or frustration for the opportunity at success in a world where it is so fleeting. That, in and of itself, is success.

The third and final round will get underway at 8 a.m. on Tuesday.
 
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