Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

[Gus Zing]

Wasn't the strategy to let Green shoot? How can you say he gave Lebron the business when it was our gameplan to leave him open.

Also outplaying Green isn't the benchmark, Lebron said it beat in an interview that Draymond isn't even looking to score, he's looking to do anything but score to make the team better. Setting the benchmark of a good Love performance as outscoring Draymond Green is misleading. Expecially on the night when their 3rd highest scorer wasn't even Draymond Green. Love can't defend like Draymond so we're really comparing two guys with different roles solely of points per game

Kevin Love only covers two valuable but replaceable holes. Spacing and rebounding. For a PF he however opens a lot of holes on defense

Love outplayed him the 1st games. Can't say he outplayed him the 3rd game.

Draymond Green had a +14 on the floor. Kevin Love was -11.
I swear every time the Cavs were trying to make a run it would be a Draymond assist that killed us. His versatility in game 3 was a big part of the Warriors succeeding. Love gave tremendous effort, but he's still has two major flaws in his games.

One he's been getting destroyed as an interior presence as @fan0283 and others have mentioned. It just makes our defense that more vulnerable.

Now on one hand that is Tristan's fault for being a dumpster fire this series, but keep Love as our last line of defense has killed us repeatedly. I have never seen Steph Curry get more layups than he has before this series.

Kevin's lack of interior scoring did us in again. He can't post, he's 50/50 when he tip backs, and we're pretty much at the mercy of the refs when he's under the rim. If Love finishes strong Cavs go up 8 and the game is over. Why LeBron is passing to Love under the rim at that point is another issue.

What Kevin gave us today was enough to win.....last year. We need consistent scoring from him. Kyrie/LeBron are going to keep Iso if we don't have faith to dump it down low to Love to make it work.

This isn't a knock on Kevin. He's been our 2nd best player this series. He was probably the most consistent against Boston. Its just the flaws in his game are back breakers vs. this team.

I'm happy he's outplaying Draymond, but then again I don't want to get satisfied with that. Last series and the early part of this series he showed signs of the guy we traded for. The guy that the Warriors were having legit discussions about giving up Klay and Draymond for (from the T-Wolves) side.

We need Love playing at or better than Klay's level going forward next game or the next few years. Both he and Kyrie have to make improvements defensively. LeBron's gotta change his role offensively so he can give us more defensively as well.

 

[Green Lantern]

And people keep talking about Love..he might be the only one the Cavs can use to get someone else but my beef is TT.
It has been for several years.
I like what he brings(when he does) but he's allowing GS's bigs to take him out of the game, yet they could not take Love off the glass.
EXPLAIN that to me..

 

[fan0283]

If you switch your not only putting Love on Curry (there isn't a big that could consistently switch on him), and putting Kyrie on Green or KD.

Exactly bigs struggle so when you're playing against the Warriors, small ball fours that can switch are more valuable. As long as there's a guy who struggles on switches they will continue to find him and they will continue to score

 

[dark2332]

And people keep talking about Love..he might be the only one the Cavs can use to get someone else but my beef is TT.
It has been for several years.
I like what he brings(when he does) but he's allowing GS's bigs to take him out of the game, yet they could not take Love off the glass.
EXPLAIN that to me..

Thompson is a waste. Not a shot blocker, overrated defender, worst offensive player in the NBA. Trade him.

 

[fan0283]

Thompson is a waste. Not a shot blocker, overrated defender, worst offensive player in the NBA. Trade him.

No argument here. TT has been a waste. He has been played for his limitations. Constantly dared to produce in the 4v3 situation and he can't even take two dribbles to get himself from the high post to the rim. Misses open passes to shooters in the corner as well. That one play where Mcgee trapped the PnR ball handler and still recovered in time to block TT was sad

 

[Cratylus]

Someone was paid actual money to write this trash:

https://theringer.com/2017-nba-finals-kevin-love-future-with-cavaliers-lebron-james-5087acf30e9e

And people keep talking about Love..he might be the only one the Cavs can use to get someone else but my beef is TT.
It has been for several years.
I like what he brings(when he does) but he's allowing GS's bigs to take him out of the game, yet they could not take Love off the glass.
EXPLAIN that to me..

 

[dark2332]

No argument here. TT has been a waste. He has been played for his limitations. Constantly dared to produce in the 4v3 situation and he can't even take two dribbles to get himself from the high post to the rim. Misses open passes to shooters in the corner as well. That one play where Mcgee trapped the PnR ball handler and still recovered in time to block TT was sad

JaVale McGee was signed off the trash heap, and he's been a significantly better player than Tristan Thompson this series.

 

[FrontPageNews]

Thompson is a waste. Not a shot blocker, overrated defender, worst offensive player in the NBA. Trade him.

He has no trade value with his contract.

 

[Flight479]

Is LeBron bothering Durant?

I feel like people are forgetting how good Draymond is. If you have someone outplaying him, that's pretty damn important. Draymond was going to be the Finals MVP last year, after missing a game, were it not for Kyrie hitting that 3 pointer.

He was, by far, their best player in the series last year. He averaged 16.5 points, with like 60%TS, 10+ rebounds a game, 5+ assists per game, and was this close to having one of the great game 7s in Finals history, if not for the fact that his team lost the game.

Like I don't know if people remember all of that game 7, but he was giving LeBron the business.

So here's Kevin Love, outplaying this guy....and it's just brushed off. "well draymond neutralizes Kevin too easily." Listen, if you have someone that is also neutralizing Draymond...that's a good thing.

Which then brings us to the problem. You trade one star for another and you're just opening up a different hole that they can exploit. Such is life with what they've assembled.

But it gets you no closer, or at least not that much closer, to actually beating them.

Are you arguing for Love? If we get swept someone has to be moved to bring in better talent to compete with the Warriors. Honestly it's not impossible to outplay Draymond. Love should outscore him. Love, however, has done much than expected in other areas. But, Draymond is not a concern offensively. We need defense on the perimeter. That's my point and is why Love would be the most obvious piece to move. Unless you think it's Kyrie... At this point everyone should be considered I guess minus Bron

 

[Flight479]

Way to cherry pick a bad shooting performance, only to completely overlook the fact he's been the only bright spot in this series besides Lebron. He's been our best player this entire post-season not named Lebron.
Love's job coming in was to outperform Green and he has. Not many people in here, aside from a select few, had faith he would do that. He's outscoring him, out rebounding him, rarely looks slow on defense, and just posted his career high in steals in a must-win game but somehow this is his fault. He was f*cking outperforming Klay Thompson through 2 GM's as well.

The Love haters will find a way to nitpick any way they can.

I'm a hater because 9 points isn't enough? Stop being a Love apologist. Haters are those who expected Draymond to outscore Love. I expected this version of Love to outscore Draymond. He's done that. Good, but it hasn't gone unnoticed that Love went 4-13 and 1-8 in two final games. He's been a beast on the boards which we needed. But, to ignore him having a terrible offensive game is what a Love apologist would do. Our front court offensively has been a disappointment this finals.

 

[Kbiz]

I'm a hater because 9 points isn't enough? Stop being a Love apologist. Haters are those who expected Draymond to outscore Love. I expected this version of Love to outscore Draymond. He's done that. Good, but it hasn't gone unnoticed that Love went 4-13 and 1-8 in two final games. He's been a beast on the boards which we needed. But, to ignore him having a terrible offensive game is what a Love apologist would do. Our front court offensively has been a disappointment this finals.

Correct. The fact that GS only has to defensively game plan for one of our front court players doesn't help. Simply looking at the box score doesn't do much for me. If TT could do anything offensively, that would've opened up easier opportunities for Love.

 

[Flight479]

Agreed. Love outplayed Green the first two games. Green was better game 3, but because of his defensive impact. We were running LeBron at Curry in the 4th with Green on the bench. He came back and eliminated that advantage. That's why Love vs Green isn't a sound comparison. Love vs Klay makes more sense to me, because you can compare their offensive production. This series is about scoring primarily.

 

[LennoxLewis]

Moving Love does nothing, Cavs have to add talent without giving up any of the big 3.Its gonna be a big off-season for us, hopefully it doesn't start soon.

 

[tatejuan11]

Moving Love does nothing, Cavs have to add talent without giving up any of the big 3.Its gonna be a big off-season for us, hopefully it doesn't start soon.

I agree.

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[chuck0609]

He has no trade value with his contract.

Sure he does- for purposes of making a trade work.