Koby Altman nailed, then failed to take breathalyzer…

[MirORich]

This thread, while still of course meriting discussion, should not have takes that swing from one end of the pendulum to the other this season based on stretch of ten games in either direction. The ultimate outcome and grading on what Koby has done with the rebuild so far and potentially does in the future if allowed, will no be truly understood and known for at least another 18-24 months. Everything before them is just trends and indicators, which again, are still worthy of discussion, critique and support.

 

[Cavatt]

This thread, while still of course meriting discussion, should not have takes that swing from one end of the pendulum to the other this season based on stretch of ten games in either direction. The ultimate outcome and grading on what Koby has done with the rebuild so far and potentially does in the future if allowed, will no be truly understood and known for at least another 18-24 months. Everything before them is just trends and indicators, which again, are still worthy of discussion, critique and support.

I think for one thing, that Koby hasn't outright blown a pick yet. I think even with KPJ the pick was validated as a talented player.

He has maybe missed a couple of guys, but he hasn't had an outright bust unless people believe Okoro is. I don't believe that.

It's pretty incredible to have that hit rate of "these are NBA players".

For me with Koby it is the management of the egos part that I am not convinced about. Too many dustups from JR, to Love, Drummond and KPJ. That's a lot of "misunderstandings". I think he thinks like a startup guy and he can pivot at any time, without paying close enough attention to the Human element of it. You can't just gush and tell a player how important they are and then blow up their spot, move their lockers, and mess with their expectations/fire their coach like that.

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[Alec]

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[J_J]

I’ve always been a Koby supporter. Maybe I’m wrong... I just feel Koby wants to bring a culture with talent, team play, and work ethic. We just have to be patient with the development of our players. Things don’t resolve after 10 games. Losing games back to back on a tired road trip. Frustration builds but team didn’t really have much practice. It will take some time but we got players to build upon with Sexton, Garland, Okoro, Windler, Nance, Allen, and even Wade. Sexton hasn’t even played 3 full seasons, Garland is now totaled a full season, Windler and Okoro not even half way a rookie season. Am just looking forward to their developments and how they adjust to the games.

 

[buzzdog]

I haven't had much to say in this place for awhile. People seem so quick to take things to one extreme or another depending on their personal preference or distaste for one player/coach/gm/owner or another. To me many comments across the board seem too extreme and conclusive considering that they're usually based on a lot of interpretation, extrapolation, and not much hard evidence.

I like this team, the players, coaches, gm, and ownership. I like where we're at in the process even though the direction and desired shape of the team is not clear. I think we have a good combination of young talent, veterans, a solid HC and GM. I think we have a lot of flexibility to go in any number of directions.

But it would be insane to actually say Altman has "nailed" anything at this point in time. The book is wide open.

I'm content with where we're at. I'm happy to watch the combination of talent evolve, to watch what trades or acquisitions come about, what value we can get back for assets. For those reasons I can agree Altman has done as well as I could expect or hope. It can still go in any direction for better or worse from here. I look forward to enjoying the ride, as always.

 

[Futuredome]

Drummond was a very negative influence. It took a few games to get his stench off. Shot selection is horrible though. This team is going to lose games and in bunches.

 

[Sebastian]

More like stepped on a nail!

Ammiright, fellas? Right?!?!!

 

[rastamon87]

This did not aged well..... If Gilbert probably did not had stroke and still very active in Cavs stuff, he's probably contemplating already of firing Koby....

 

[mrWalrus]

This did not aged well..... If Gilbert probably did not had stroke and still very active in Cavs stuff, he's probably contemplating already of firing Koby....

The Cavs and Indians are dead men walking. They'll both be moved to other cities in the next six years.

 

[Steve_424]

The Cavs and Indians are dead men walking. They'll both be moved to other cities in the next six years.

Respectfully, that's not rooted in fact or even logic.

 

[mrWalrus]

Respectfully, that's not rooted in fact or even logic.

'The Indians lease of Progressive Field expires in 2023, although there are extensions they can choose to exercise. "With the stadium lease coming up in 2023, those all seem to be pointed towards one direction which would may be selling the team,"

Why do you think they haven't chosen a new name? Or even hinted at one? Because they are using it as a selling point. (eg. Buy a major league team and move/name it whatever and wherever you like! That's gotta buy you a couple extra percent on the sale.)

Dan could just as well make money off the arena after the Cavs move, but, admittedly, the Cavs moving is less likely over the next six years.

 

[Futuredome]

Drummond was a very negative influence. It took a few games to get his stench off. Shot selection is horrible though. This team is going to lose games and in bunches.

as predicted. morale is low and Bickerjunk is over his head. I picked 24-48 for a reason. Not a bad year to suck though. I would fire Koby and get a better name. This draft is too important to mess up.

 

[Sebastian]

Why do you think they haven't chosen a new name? Or even hinted at one? Because they are using it as a selling point. (eg. Buy a major league team and move/name it whatever and wherever you like! That's gotta buy you a couple extra percent on the sale.)

Dan could just as well make money off the arena after the Cavs move, but, admittedly, the Cavs moving is less likely over the next six years.

Why would they move?

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

I haven't had much to say in this place for awhile. People seem so quick to take things to one extreme or another depending on their personal preference or distaste for one player/coach/gm/owner or another. To me many comments across the board seem too extreme and conclusive considering that they're usually based on a lot of interpretation, extrapolation, and not much hard evidence.

I like this team, the players, coaches, gm, and ownership. I like where we're at in the process even though the direction and desired shape of the team is not clear. I think we have a good combination of young talent, veterans, a solid HC and GM. I think we have a lot of flexibility to go in any number of directions.

But it would be insane to actually say Altman has "nailed" anything at this point in time. The book is wide open.

I'm content with where we're at. I'm happy to watch the combination of talent evolve, to watch what trades or acquisitions come about, what value we can get back for assets. For those reasons I can agree Altman has done as well as I could expect or hope. It can still go in any direction for better or worse from here. I look forward to enjoying the ride, as always.

Good post. Altman took a couple of calcuated risks that did not pan out, unfortunately. He took the risk the Kevin Love would stay healthy and play well enough to give the Cavs $30 million worth of value for four years in a row. He also took a small risk on Kevin Porter Jr. Neither worked out as hoped, but the Love contract is hurting the team more than the Porter implosion.

A lot of people questioned taking 6'1" point guards in successive drafts and that is looking like a mistake. Both are legitimate NBA players, but having two ball-dominant small guards on the court at the same time isn't working very well.

Altman had some tough luck last year with the ping pong balls, getting the 5th pick when the Cavs' record should have placed them higher. But he still ended up taking another player who is small for his position.

He made some very nice moves in turning Kyrie Irving into Sexton, Nance, and Allen. Garland is only 21 and has a chance to be a Damon Lillard or Kyle Lowry, IMO, but it will take some time. Windler and Okoro are rookies - the jury is still out on them.

We really need to get lucky with the ping pong balls this year.

 

[6.19.2016]

The Cavs and Indians are dead men walking. They'll both be moved to other cities in the next six years.

I was worried about contraction or Seattle for the Cavs a decade ago, so I understand your concern.

Then, I took time to understand how those things actually worked, and stopped worrying.