Koby Altman nailed, then failed to take breathalyzer…

[Benway]

I never, Never drive somewhere to drink unless I'm spending the night.
I prefer to drink at home. And post.

 

[Otsego Mar]

I don't think you can or should fire the guy for this. A wild overreaction, in my opinion. It's a bit of an embarrassment for the organization so mandated counseling or whatever is appropriate.

Yea, it's not like he was trying to solicit pictures of the players' families.

 

[buzzdog]

As someone mentioned earlier, much depends on what you drank. Eating with alcohol, as you do, can dramatically lower the effects as well.

I'm a 5'2" 135 lb woman. I consume about 2-5 drinks a week on average. On celebratory occasions, I try not to have more than 3 in a given day because 4 is considered binging for women (and with good reason -- hangovers are awful).

But I keep in mind ABV as well. An Oktoberfest beer is about 6% abv on average, but a mai tai is 12%. If I have two main tais, even if I've eaten a meal, I've drunk the equivalent of four beers. Heck to the no (fwiw, I did have two mai tais in an evening once -- never again ugh).

A lot of craft beer these days is more than the standard 5-6 abv as well. A typical ipa is 7% abv. A double ipa is 9-12%. One double ipa in a night is plenty for me, even with a meal.

Bottom line, people have to pay attention to how much food and drink has been consumed to determine the effects, and they also have to take into account their body size. Best bet is to always have a DD or taxi/Uber ready if you're unsure.

I once attended a safety seminar in Canada where we did training for conducting BATs and UAs. It was the last session before adjourning, and it was held at the hotel where we were all staying. So as a demonstration at the end of the class they had several volunteers drink 2 Canadian Pilsners, 6% ABV. One other guy and one female and myself were selected. Didn't waste any time, we drank them right down. We then blew into the breathalyzer about 5 minutes after we were finished. This was on an empty stomach for all of us. The other guy blew (if I remember correctly) .07, the gal blew .09, and I blew .025. I had an associate who took the same class and he blew 0.00 so they let him drink 2 more and he still blew 0.00. Something about his metabolism, or IDK what. No doubt body weight was a factor, I was a pretty solid 240 at the time and the female was probably 110. I also just have a pretty high tolerance level, not sure how that's reflected in BAC.

So results and effects can vary widely. FWIW the entire class adjourned to the hotel bar and restaurant where the consumption resumed.

 

[Otsego Mar]

I once attended a safety seminar in Canada where we did training for conducting BATs and UAs. It was the last session before adjourning, and it was held at the hotel where we were all staying. So as a demonstration at the end of the class they had several volunteers drink 2 Canadian Pilsners, 6% ABV. One other guy and one female and myself were selected. Didn't waste any time, we drank them right down. We then blew into the breathalyzer about 5 minutes after we were finished. This was on an empty stomach for all of us. The other guy blew (if I remember correctly) .07, the gal blew .09, and I blew .025. I had an associate who took the same class and he blew 0.00 so they let him drink 2 more and he still blew 0.00. Something about his metabolism, or IDK what. No doubt body weight was a factor, I was a pretty solid 240 at the time and the female was probably 110. I also just have a pretty high tolerance level, not sure how that's reflected in BAC.

So results and effects can vary widely. FWIW the entire class adjourned to the hotel bar and restaurant where the consumption resumed.

Tolerance is not reflected in BAC, just your symptoms of being under the influence.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Uber/Lyft was such a game changer for having a social drink. Most towns I lived in had terrible public transit systems. Cleveland, I'm looking squarely at you. It was either cut yourself off early or the tales of getting home would be the highlight of the night.

I agree with the poster who said everyone can find themselves in a bad spot where your body and mind aren't on the same page once. After that, learn and adjust. Heck, yesterday I found myself two drinks in about 40 minutes away from home, and I was lucky enough to stop while I was ahead and get a sparkling water. When in doubt, Uber is way cheaper than court costs.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

He’s lucky he wasn’t in Az (zero tolerance) or he’d be sitting in jail STILL

 

[Green Lantern]

I never understood how players and execs seem to always get DUIs. They have the money for Ubers and can just put their car into a park garage with overnight parking. In Koby's case, he most definitely has a reserved parking space at the arena that he could have just parked at.

I also wonder why teams don't have car services or someone in the organization on call to pick up and drop off players and execs. Like just add it into the job description of an overnight security guard or someone to be on call to pick up someone if they call.

Still players and FO people KNOW what can happen if you're not responsible. No excuse. You let your guard down and you get into trouble. Can't tell your team what not to do, then you do it.

 

[Benway]

Some are born to lead, and some are born to follow. Others, to serve as a cautionary tale.

 

[inliner311]

Uber/Lyft was such a game changer for having a social drink. Most towns I lived in had terrible public transit systems. Cleveland, I'm looking squarely at you. It was either cut yourself off early or the tales of getting home would be the highlight of the night.

I also never understood how everyone can be against drunk driving but the public transportation actively shuts down to prevent drunk people from using it to get home. Like Cleveland RTA trains shuts down at midnight and doesn't come back online till like 4:30am or 5am. A lot of the buses also shut down at similar times, there are a handful of buses that run but they go through some of the sketchiest neighborhoods in the city.

I would think all the bars and the casino would want the trains to run constantly especially on the weekends so get more people into the city.

 

[Huber.]

He’s lucky he wasn’t in Az (zero tolerance) or he’d be sitting in jail STILL

I think Ohio just increased the first time offender to minimum three days in jail.

 

[Lee]

I once attended a safety seminar in Canada where we did training for conducting BATs and UAs. It was the last session before adjourning, and it was held at the hotel where we were all staying. So as a demonstration at the end of the class they had several volunteers drink 2 Canadian Pilsners, 6% ABV. One other guy and one female and myself were selected. Didn't waste any time, we drank them right down. We then blew into the breathalyzer about 5 minutes after we were finished. This was on an empty stomach for all of us. The other guy blew (if I remember correctly) .07, the gal blew .09, and I blew .025. I had an associate who took the same class and he blew 0.00 so they let him drink 2 more and he still blew 0.00. Something about his metabolism, or IDK what. No doubt body weight was a factor, I was a pretty solid 240 at the time and the female was probably 110. I also just have a pretty high tolerance level, not sure how that's reflected in BAC.

So results and effects can vary widely. FWIW the entire class adjourned to the hotel bar and restaurant where the consumption resumed.

I had the same experience, only difference is after I blew, the other guy looked at me like "Do I even fucking know you?"

 

[Lee]

He’s lucky he wasn’t in Az (zero tolerance) or he’d be sitting in jail STILL

AZ is pretty tough, but a normal DUI is a max of 90 days for first offense (Extreme is .15), If you refuse, it is a 1 year suspended licesne. Funny thing is, they could get a search warrant for the blood test.

Its beatable, he wont get a dui, they didnt do the blood test, but no license for a year i think is mandatory in Oh because he refused and 3 days in jail.

But I dont think Altman gets the dui because there is no evidence.

 

[cavsfever]

I’d almost rather have a blood test because I am unlikely to drive with extreme levels of alcohol and the blood test would be more accurate to my actual levels than a breathalyzer which can go wrong in lots of ways

 

[inliner311]

AZ is pretty tough, but a normal DUI is a max of 90 days for first offense (Extreme is .15), If you refuse, it is a 1 year suspended licesne. Funny thing is, they could get a search warrant for the blood test.

Its beatable, he wont get a dui, they didnt do the blood test, but no license for a year i think is mandatory in Oh because he refused and 3 days in jail.

But I dont think Altman gets the dui because there is no evidence.

The 3 days in jail also can be substituted with a 3 day driver alcohol intervention program. Those are usually like 3 days in a hotel and you got to do classes and stuff the whole time. You have to also pay for it and the hotel stay.

 

[Lee]

The 3 days in jail also can be substituted with a 3 day driver alcohol intervention program. Those are usually like 3 days in a hotel and you got to do classes and stuff the whole time. You have to also pay for it and the hotel stay.

Obviously in many cases the costs make a difference, but Altman maked 7 figures, so I am sure costs are not the issue, but thanks for clearing up.