Koby Altman nailed, then failed to take breathalyzer…

[rastamon87]

I really believe that if the Cavs want to be a contender long-term they would need to breakup Sexland.... They are just too small for their starting backcourt, it would have been different if they were defensive bulldogs like Lowry/Van Fleet...

Right now imho I am leaning for them to keep Sexton... Okoro needs to develop into a legit starting SG (he is raw but has the tools), SF combo might be Nance & Windler is not bad.... Need to get a stud PF through draft or trade... JA at starting center, just need to get a backup.... That might work as a good start and being a bottom tier playoff team next season...

 

[Cavatt]

I think the worst-case scenario is he doesn't improve, and the guy he is right now won't stick in the NBA.

I am hopeful that he will improve, but until he actually plays like a legitimate NBA player on a consistent basis, I'm not going to count him as one.

I think if he dies that will be the worst case scenario. Being dead will really keep you out of the league.

 

[Rich]

Here's the thing: I don't think Sexton has the tools to be a full time point.

So even if they move Garland, you still have the issue with Sexton and Okoro occupying the same position.

But on the flip side, while it's easier to fit Okoro with Garland.......Garland just doesn't seem to be very good.

I don't understand these last three drafts at all. The only way it makes sense is if the Cavs believed Garland was gonna take a big leap and were ready to trade Sexton.

 

[Cavatt]

Here's the thing: I don't think Sexton has the tools to be a full time point.

So even if they move Garland, you still have the issue with Sexton and Okoro occupying the same position.

But on the flip side, while it's easier to fit Okoro with Garland.......Garland just doesn't seem to be very good.

I don't understand these last three drafts at all. The only way it makes sense is if the Cavs believed Garland was gonna take a big leap and were ready to trade Sexton.

They were going to make Sexton the 6th man, but he has gotten better faster than they could implement that plan.

I personally think Spacing is the hardest part of the team right now. We need spacing badly. I think it will open up the 3 for Darius and Sexton too.

 

[Rich]

Part of me wants them to just go with their plan and put Sexton on the bench and see what happens.

The other half knows that if you bench 3rd year Sexton for rookie Okoro, considering how the two have played this year, that won't go well with almost anyone in the locker room outside of Okoro.

If they could somehow find a good, big PG, this all could work out.

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

Here's the thing: I don't think Sexton has the tools to be a full time point.

So even if they move Garland, you still have the issue with Sexton and Okoro occupying the same position.

But on the flip side, while it's easier to fit Okoro with Garland.......Garland just doesn't seem to be very good.

I don't understand these last three drafts at all. The only way it makes sense is if the Cavs believed Garland was gonna take a big leap and were ready to trade Sexton.

I agree heavily with the first point, disagree heavily with the second point and then I agree 100% with your final point so I gave you love for going 2/3.

I truly believe we havent seen just how good Garland can be because even this year, he seems to spend 70-80% of his time on the court with Sexton right next to him. On offense, when Sexton doesnt have the ball and isnt looking to score, he floats to the ball looking for the ball so he can score or attack, and that really shrinks the floor (made worse by Okoro at the 3)

I believe putting Sexton in the role as 6th man where he can play to his hearts desire as his favorite player Iverson, with the unquestionable green light would unleash him

While letting Garland initiate more with guys like Okoro, Windler, Prince and staggered with Sexton as wing guys off him primarily as the PG could really help him play to his strengths more.

If JBB is really the whisperer he's credited for being (since he's obviously not the X&O strategist) he should be able to help Sexland with their mindset and approach to trying these roles for optimizing their development. Ginobili and Harden were sold on these roles early and both got whatever their hearts desired as scorers off the bench who usually finished games.

Not impossible to sell

 

[Cavatt]

I agree heavily with the first point, disagree heavily with the second point and then I agree 100% with your final point so I gave you love for going 2/3.

I truly believe we havent seen just how good Garland can be because even this year, he seems to spend 70-80% of his time on the court with Sexton right next to him. On offense, when Sexton doesnt have the ball and isnt looking to score, he floats to the ball looking for the ball so he can score or attack, and that really shrinks the floor (made worse by Okoro at the 3)

I believe putting Sexton in the role as 6th man where he can play to his hearts desire as his favorite player Iverson, with the unquestionable green light would unleash him

While letting Garland initiate more with guys like Okoro, Windler, Prince and staggered with Sexton as wing guys off him primarily as the PG could really help him play to his strengths more.

If JBB is really the whisperer he's credited for being (since he's obviously not the X&O strategist) he should be able to help Sexland with their mindset and approach to trying these roles for optimizing their development. Ginobili and Harden were sold on these roles early and both got whatever their hearts desired as scorers off the bench who usually finished games.

Not impossible to sell

I don't think this is a bad plan or anything, but you have no go to scorer on the floor in the starting lineup. I am not sure you can do that without a Chris Paul level facilitator. Any of this or all of this made more sense when we viewed KPJ as part of the core. He isn't now, and we only have one guy on the team who can consistently score efficiently.

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

I don't think this is a bad plan or anything, but you have no go to scorer on the floor in the starting lineup. I am not sure you can do that without a Chris Paul level facilitator. Any of this or all of this made more sense when we viewed KPJ as part of the core. He isn't now, and we only have one guy on the team who can consistently score efficiently.

I'm over the KPJ situation, and I'm viewing this team as such. That said...

I'd refer you to the second Minny game. Sexton lead the team in scoring but Garland lead the team to the win. He spoon fed Jarrett Allen and got everyone involved as an offensive initiator that night. When the game was on the line, there were about 3-4 possessions where he just got buckets. I saw flashes of what it could really look like if he's greenlighted to run the offense.

With the floor spread and a really good initiator you'd be surprised at what some of the limited creators like Okoro, Windler and Allen, might be able to do

 

[inliner311]

I don't think this is a bad plan or anything, but you have no go to scorer on the floor in the starting lineup. I am not sure you can do that without a Chris Paul level facilitator. Any of this or all of this made more sense when we viewed KPJ as part of the core. He isn't now, and we only have one guy on the team who can consistently score efficiently.

The plans made alot more sense when KPJ was part of the core and we thought Okoro was solidly SF size.

I do think the organization undersold themselves on Sexton after his rookie season and they justified taking Garland by saying Sexton was going to be a 6th man. Whoever decided that Sexton was a 6th man after his rookie season and that they could add another small guard really didn't watch him his rookie season. He played better the longer stretches he played. If he was going to play 6th man minutes it was going to really limit him. There were going to be issues with 2 small guards regardless of where Sexton played.

Okoro probably makes the situation even worse because he is SG size. There would be more flexibility if he was solidly a SF that could drop down to SG if needed.

 

[CavsFan07]

I feel like this thread needs bumped and re-read practically every day.

 

[Pioneer10]

I'm over the KPJ situation, and I'm viewing this team as such. That said...

I'd refer you to the second Minny game. Sexton lead the team in scoring but Garland lead the team to the win. He spoon fed Jarrett Allen and got everyone involved as an offensive initiator that night. When the game was on the line, there were about 3-4 possessions where he just got buckets. I saw flashes of what it could really look like if he's greenlighted to run the offense.

With the floor spread and a really good initiator you'd be surprised at what some of the limited creators like Okoro, Windler and Allen, might be able to do

The thing is these guys look so small out there.
okoro, sexton, and garland are not only under-sized they don't have great length.
on top of that, even a guy like Okoro who has tree trunks for legs, don't play "big".

Chris Paul and Lowry are short as fuck but they don't let guys back them down, they're able to crash the glass and generally in game they play "big". Even if the offense improves and it should with Allen swapped in for Drummond, how are these guys going to defense. Every title-contending team has not just one but basically, 2 guys who can pull up from anywhere and drain it. Do you see any of these 3 doing that?

On the flip side, with these guys partly due to their really be create mismatches that other teams can't counter? Jrue Holiday and Caruso were able to make life difficult for Sexton without the need for double team - that spells trouble. Now those two are among the best perimeter defenders in the league but you wanna win a title you better have guys who command doubles

 

[weepinwillow]

but you wanna win a title you better have guys who command doubles

the days of title windows are closed. Open is the possibility to get into the playoffs and maybe find yourself in a second round series some day if you play your hand right.

 

[PIP]

No he didn’t

 

[Dr. Claw]

The rebuild is far from done. I think the decisions he's made are sound. And Exum for Allen was a steal. KPJ was a gamble that didn't pay off but if it had.... GOAT status.

Patience is required. This is not Grant or Waxson we're talking about.

 

[LeeBuckeye]

Part of me wants them to just go with their plan and put Sexton on the bench and see what happens.

The other half knows that if you bench 3rd year Sexton for rookie Okoro, considering how the two have played this year, that won't go well with almost anyone in the locker room outside of Okoro.

If they could somehow find a good, big PG, this all could work out.

100% THIS! Just make a decision and live with it.

I think Koby envisioned a team with a backcourt of Garland/KPJr where Sexton is perfectly fine coming off the bench or perhaps traded for premium assets. Sexton's elite scoring skillset was too good and KPJr self-destructed.

I feel like they would rather bench/trade Sexton in order to build around Garland than to pair him with a bigger guard (like Haliburton in the previous draft). It would be the wrong move IMO but I would at least respect their conviction.