Koby Altman nailed, then failed to take breathalyzer…

[Steve_424]

ALL team owners have final say if it was your money you would have any big decision run by you stop knocking the man who is one of the few that has pump money into this city and basketball team..this city was starting to be a run down town till he invested his money and knowhow to turn it around.

Is this a "Dan saved Cleveland" take?

 

[Cavatt]

Last time I looked Sac had 31 wins to the Cavs’ 22! And Bagley is better than any front court player we have (except maybe Nance) and let’s not forget Barnes, Hield, Harkless and Whiteside.

So you are saying 9 more years and we might increase to 31 wins?

 

[Ozone]

for anyone arguing Sac is better than Cavs in rebuilding, you should all remember this.

and Trae, and Collin, and SGA who are all better than Bagley.
hell Jaren Jackson, MPJ, Gary Trent Jr etc
The undrafted Kendrick Nunn, and Duncan Robinson, from the same draft, look better than Bagley does. Maybe he improves but it does not look promising so far. But that is the Kings for you. They do not seem to have the people to develop anyone, they just draft players already skilled in the back court, and a bunch of projects in the paint.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

Bagley is awful. He hasn't been good since he has wcj and coach k holding his hands in the zone.

Barnes ill give you but i take most of our guys over hields terrible contract, worse drummond and a guy who got kicked off the knicks last year

I’m not talking contracts....I’m talking skill set. That alone puts Buddy over the majority of our roster. Has Bagley lived up to expectations coming out of college? No. But other than Nance he has a better skill set than any of are other frontline players.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

So you are saying 9 more years and we might increase to 31 wins?

Tunnel vision in full effect here! Take off the rose colored glssses. I’m just saying right now the Kings are a better team than we are. The last three years the Kings won 31, 31 and 39. In contrast the Cavs won 22, 19, and 19! Yes! The Kings are the better team with the better talent

 

[Cavatt]

Tunnel vision in full effect here! Take off the rose colored glssses. I’m just saying right now the Kings are a better team than we are. The last three years the Kings won 31, 31 and 39. In contrast the Cavs won 22, 19, and 19! Yes! The Kings are the better team with the better talent

So one extra game won per year in the lottery. They are a failure. Cavs are currently a failure for sure, but I think with a couple of steady vets who are not injured half the year the team could have hit 31 wins too. It's very possible the Cavs get to the playoffs before the Kings.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

So one extra game won per year in the lottery. They are a failure. Cavs are currently a failure for sure, but I think with a couple of steady vets who are not injured half the year the team could have hit 31 wins too. It's very possible the Cavs get to the playoffs before the Kings.

The Cavs absolutely should make the playoffs (in a still weak EC).

 

[Cavatt]

I’m not talking contracts....I’m talking skill set. That alone puts Buddy over the majority of our roster. Has Bagley lived up to expectations coming out of college? No. But other than Nance he has a better skill set than any of are other frontline players.

Dean Wade has better advanced numbers across the board. Bagley scores more than him on volume.

 

[FrontPageNews]

Ainge is stepping down in Boston. Give him everything he wants to come here.

 

[inliner311]

Ainge is stepping down in Boston. Give him everything he wants to come here.

There might be a reason he is stepping down from the GM job in Boston. The IT stuff and his constant desire to fleece every other GM, may have caused him to hit the wall on teams that will deal with him. He might end up with another organization but not in the GM position. He might be a consultant that helps make deals but doesn't actually interact with other teams GMs.

 

[red.]

Ainge is stepping down in Boston. Give him everything he wants to come here.

I would too.

I would love for Dan to throw the money bags at Sam Presti to run the Cavs. Sam Presti with Dan money could take the Cavs to another level.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

So nobody likes to deal with Ainge, but they still deal with him. I think he did a good job accumulating assets and players in Boston. I wouldn't mind if Dan brought him into the organization. We need more experienced basketball people.

 

[ssn774]

A weird, abrupt ending for Danny Ainge, a daunting new challenge for Brad Stevens with Celtics - The Boston Globe

Changes had to be made, and they happened quickly. Now we'll find out whether Stevens can be an NBA team-builder.

www.bostonglobe.com

From an article on Brad Stevens, guess Boston didn't win the trade with the Cavs after all:

"He was burdened for two years with Kyrie Irving, who could never be pleased, no matter how much the Celtics tried to accommodate him. While he was here, Kyrie lied and pouted and poisoned the minds of other young Celtic players."

 

[foucault87]

I’m not talking contracts....I’m talking skill set. That alone puts Buddy over the majority of our roster. Has Bagley lived up to expectations coming out of college? No. But other than Nance he has a better skill set than any of are other frontline players.

Bagley is tall and can jump and thats it. He has no control, jumps too early and fouls a ton. He cannot shoot, is a horror on defense, and has no playmaking, ballhandling, or even post skills. I have no idea what you are watching but he is the same player he was in college. Bagley is not good. Wade and possibly Stevens/Kabegale are better. His metrics suck and hes bad on the eye test too. What an awful pick.


I also do not think it makes any sense to discuss players without their contracts as context. If I had Kevin Love on the vetmin thats a value player, not at 30m. Similarly, hield is overpaid to be a worse jj reddick

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

A weird, abrupt ending for Danny Ainge, a daunting new challenge for Brad Stevens with Celtics - The Boston Globe

Changes had to be made, and they happened quickly. Now we'll find out whether Stevens can be an NBA team-builder.

www.bostonglobe.com

From an article on Brad Stevens, guess Boston didn't win the trade with the Cavs after all:

"He was burdened for two years with Kyrie Irving, who could never be pleased, no matter how much the Celtics tried to accommodate him. While he was here, Kyrie lied and pouted and poisoned the minds of other young Celtic players."

I've never understood the argument that Ainge should be given credit for "winning" that trade. It's like people grade that trade based on some imaginary non-headcase Kyrie rather than the dude who actually exists.

Kyrie wanting to leave the Cavs when he did should have been a giant red flag to any team thinking about acquiring him. But...Ainge saw only the talent.

We got a guy with a bad hip, but at least there was value in the rest of the package. Ainge got a guy with a messed-up head who didn't fit with the rest of that roster.

Maybe Ainge figured the "Celtics mystique" would be enough to bring Kyrie around. But he figured wrong, and that's on him.