Koby Altman nailed, then failed to take breathalyzer…

[Aeterna]

Backup point guard has become the new 3 and D which was the new Stretch 4 on this forum.

Unfortunately we need all 3 this time

 

[roozy]

I don't think it's going to end well for Koby. I think Gilbert won't approve any trade that is out there currently for Sexton. Koby will be left to move role players to try to piece this team together. It will become obvious we need someone better than JBB to get everything to work on the court. Koby gets axed because Gilbert knows you can't just give a GM an unlimited amount of chances to hire the right HC. If he didn't get it right the first 4 times, the 5th time probably won't be it.

What if the whole reason they want to trade Sexton is because Gilbert won't budge on giving him the max. Like you guys think it's just Altman could be Gilbert pushing this because he doesn't feel he's worth it.

 

[inliner311]

What if the whole reason they want to trade Sexton is because Gilbert won't budge on giving him the max. Like you guys think it's just Altman could be Gilbert pushing this because he doesn't feel he's worth it.

It would be hard to believe that Gilbert would flinch about paying Sexton. I have said you don't want to over pay Sexton or Allen because then it becomes a benchmark for every other player we will have to pay in the years after. It's a ripple effect.

Truly the picture of what we have and who works with who will become much more clear next season. #3 will hopefully be the #1 option we have been hoping for. We won't know who works with the #3 pick until they get on the court together. To prematurely start trading for guys before the #3 pick has time to adjust his game to the NBA would be a mistake.

 

[DCTribefan]

Interesting article on how the Bucks and Suns followed non-traditional paths building their rosters.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-bucks-and-suns-didnt-build-like-recent-nba-finalists/

 

[JJ_PR]

If I was the GM, I'd offer Sexton & Allen a 5 year, 100 million contract each. I think that's fair for both sides.

It's a slight overpay, but they're young & players like them are worth that type of deal.

Of course, y'all are gonna be glad I'm not the GM. I really hope we keep them both, especially Allen.

I understand why Sexton needs to go with Garland on the roster though.

 

[Lee]

If I was the GM, I'd offer Sexton & Allen a 5 year, 100 million contract each. I think that's fair for both sides.

It's a slight overpay, but they're young & players like them are worth that type of deal.

Of course, y'all are gonna be glad I'm not the GM. I really hope we keep them both, especially Allen.

I understand why Sexton needs to go with Garland on the roster though.

A bit of an overpay for Allen, bit of an underpay for Sexton. They dont have equal value, or shouldnt atlest.

 

[natedagg]

A bit of an overpay for Allen, bit of an underpay for Sexton. They dont have equal value, or shouldnt atlest.

I am offering Allen the minimum length to keep his bird rights. I don't know - that season really didn't end well. There's probably less casual fans who can opine on his play, but it seemed like he went downhill in a hurry, *plus* what if we draft Mobley and he ends up as that perfect small ball 5 big, then maybe Allen's roll is diminished in a couple of years as Mobley fills out.

So after the draft we can revisit this. I do think it matters who we draft. I fear the monster contract with Allen due to his lack of shooting.

 

[Deezus]

I am offering Allen the minimum length to keep his bird rights. I don't know - that season really didn't end well. There's probably less casual fans who can opine on his play, but it seemed like he went downhill in a hurry, *plus* what if we draft Mobley and he ends up as that perfect small ball 5 big, then maybe Allen's roll is diminished in a couple of years as Mobley fills out.

So after the draft we can revisit this. I do think it matters who we draft. I fear the monster contract with Allen due to his lack of shooting.

Regardless of whether Mobley is the pick, I think Allen showed enough defensively that we should resign him (around $22-23m/per) and play he and Mobley together as part of a "twin towers" package. If Mobley truly has the range that we think he will, it wont matter (and part of their minutes can be staggered as well).

I know the season ended poorly, but don't underestimate what it is like for a young player to go from a championship contender/favorite, to a bottom-feeder. I think the flashes he showed were enough to justify a new contract (though I'm no less "casual" of a fan than you).

 

[bigfoot5415]

Interesting article on how the Bucks and Suns followed non-traditional paths building their rosters.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-bucks-and-suns-didnt-build-like-recent-nba-finalists/

Step 1: Get really ridiculously lucky outside the Top 10
Step 2: Be bad enough to accumulate additional higher picks
Step 3: Get really lucky developing underutilized players
Step 4: Trade for all star level talent

 

[Benway]

Ridiculous luck has been the only plan to work for the Cavs so far.
And that's why it's our strategy going forward.

 

[Lee]

I am offering Allen the minimum length to keep his bird rights. I don't know - that season really didn't end well. There's probably less casual fans who can opine on his play, but it seemed like he went downhill in a hurry, *plus* what if we draft Mobley and he ends up as that perfect small ball 5 big, then maybe Allen's roll is diminished in a couple of years as Mobley fills out.

So after the draft we can revisit this. I do think it matters who we draft. I fear the monster contract with Allen due to his lack of shooting.

You need 2 bigs to start, 3 or 4 in the rotation. Sign Allen long term, he has value. Allen and Mobley can be a dominate defensive force together, and i think many will be shocked how good offensively Mobley is already, and Allen can further develop.

And Allen off the bench isnt a bad thing, with the revenue down, this is the chance to sign some long term deals this offseason that will look like a bargain in a couple of years when new found cap space makes things go crazy.

Lets not get cute, sign Allen long term. 4/5 years.

 

[Lee]

Regardless of whether Mobley is the pick, I think Allen showed enough defensively that we should resign him (around $22-23m/per) and play he and Mobley together as part of a "twin towers" package. If Mobley truly has the range that we think he will, it wont matter (and part of their minutes can be staggered as well).

I know the season ended poorly, but don't underestimate what it is like for a young player to go from a championship contender/favorite, to a bottom-feeder. I think the flashes he showed were enough to justify a new contract (though I'm no less "casual" of a fan than you).

I think we can get Allen for 18-20 a year. His lack of offensive game devalues him some.

 

[Deezus]

I think we can get Allen for 18-20 a year. His lack of offensive game devalues him some.

If so, hell yes! I'd still take him in that $22/yr range, while admitting that, as a small market team, we may need to slightly overpay to retain the talent that comes our way.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

I actually think Allen is the player that might benefit the most by drafting Mobley. For most of Allen’s career he’s played with undersized guys like Prince and Carrol at PF. Then he came here and Nance and Love missed a significant amount of time.

Mobley would take some rebounding pressure off Allen and should make things easier defensively.

 

[foucault87]

I really don't see the market for centers being that bad. We can probably get Allen at 16-18m per year. The only threat to sign away is Cha and they can offer a 4/90 at max which I would just match.