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Koby's Conundrum: Roster Reckoning Is Here

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Roster building is a balance of talent and fit.

Too much talent, and there is a risk of overlapping skillsets and an ill-fitting roster.

Focus too much on fit and your team’s ceiling may be capped as top-end talent is required to win at a high level in the NBA.

The Cavs find themselves at the intersection of talent and fit and may be forced to evaluate if resources are properly allocated.

The roster is filled with talent however as the season has progressed the talent is seemingly heavy in the backcourt and lacking in the frontcourt. The talent is there but the fit may not be.

Start with your two of your cornerstones: Donovan Mitchell and Darius Garland. Between the two, they average 71 minutes per game. With 96 minutes available in the backcourt, that doesn’t leave much for any players behind them.

Coming into the season, Caris LeVert and Isaac Okoro were penciled in as first off the bench in the backcourt/wing. LeVert has averaged 30 minutes during his Cavalier stint, while Okoro has averaged 23 minutes over the last two years.

Add in newcomer Max Strus, who has averaged almost 35 minutes thus far and the math doesn’t math.

Injuries can bring out the worst at times, but they can also bring about opportunities. Enter Craig Porter Jr. and Sam Merrill.

With Ty Jerome only being health for a few games, all CRAIG! has done is ball out. When given 10+ minutes a game, Porter Jr has averaged 10.7 pts, 4.7 ast, 3.7 reb, 1 stl, on 50 FG%, and 33 3P%. There have been times when he has looked like the best player on the floor and done the most on the Cavalier team to impact winning. It’s no surprise he is right behind Dean Wade as having the best net on/off differential despite being a rookie undrafted point guard.

Entering the year on a non-guaranteed contract, Merrill was though to be a potential trade salary filler. But, when given an opportunity all Merrill has done is knock down shots. Including a 27-point game, he has shot 44 3P% on 4 attempts per game. The percentage and volume have been there to make for a quick-trigger weapon off the bench.

Having players step-up when opportunities are provided is typically a good thing. However, it has highlighted the available production that may not see regular minutes because of the resource allocation.

Part of the larger issue at hand is the Cavaliers backcourt players are not position flexible enough to make the glut of talent work.

Garland and Porter Jr are point guards who can play in two guard lineups. If Garland is to play in a two guard lineup, it would be best suited with another larger and/or defensive strong player.

Merrill is a 2-guard only player who cannot guard up and is limited to guarding down in situations.

Mitchell is 2-guard who can play point in a pinch but would put the small in small forward in small ball lineups.

LeVert and Okoro can theoretically play all three perimeter spots however they are ideally suited as 2-guards. Put them at the one and their talent is not best utilized; put them at the 3 and they are giving up size defensively.

Strus is more along the lines of LeVert and Okoro however he’s able to fit better at the 3 and is more of an emergency point guard option if injuries hit.

This isn’t even mentioning Jerome, who has an unknown recovery date, Emoni Bates, who is a 2/3 blend, and the possibilities of Georges Niang and Dean Wade playing SF in bigger lineups.

Further conflating the problem is none of the Cavs backcourt or wing talent possess the ability to size up, or play small ball 4. If they did, it would alleviate the minute issues and allow additional opportunities in the backcourt. But as it stands, the lack of positional versatility is creating talent logjams.

Going into next off-season, the Cavs currently stand at $161M in committed salaries. That does not account for Bates, Isaiah Mobley or Porter Jr being converted. It does account for Ricky Rubio’s salary being on the books which will be resolved soon.

The $161M does not account for a potential Okoro extension. We mapped that scenario out and found a $7M-$15.6M per year range of outcomes. Take the middle ground of the salaries at $11M and that would put the Cavs up against a projected $172M luxury tax threshold.

Dan Gilbert has been willing to spend but recent reports have the Cavs evaluating if/when to enter the luxury tax given the repeater penalties.

So how does this all get back to the talent and fit discussion?

Well, the Cavs have a lot of resources tied up in their backcourt which presents positional versatility issues and is further confounded with the lack of minutes available to all the viable NBA talent.

The Cavs have some upcoming financial decisions to make. It is hard to see the same level of investment in the backcourt given the aforementioned position they’re currently in.

On the other side of the coin, the Cavs lack a long-term backup center option, unless Khalifa Diop develops soon, and also lack a viable big wing 3&D option to guard the likes of Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Khris Middleton, Jimmy Butler, Paolo Banchero, Franz Wagner or any other legitimate wing in a playoff series.

It only makes sense if the Cavs have an overabundance of resources in the backcourt, to shift those resources to the frontcourt where there is a need.

Okoro’s upcoming free agency and the emergence of CRAIG! and Merrill, with respect to LeVert’s role, provide the first real inflection point. Okoro and LeVert are also two of the more tradeable assets on the team and could be just enough to bring back and the wing and/or frontcourt depth they lack.

Porter Jr’s emergence brings this discussion to the forefront, as there’s viable evidence to support a regular rotational role. There is also a discussion to be had whether LeVert’s skillset is needed at his salary with Porter Jr providing a similar approach at a fraction of the cost.

With all this said, depth is never a bad thing. You need depth to weather an NBA season, and it also can come in handy when foul trouble or other issues arise in the playoffs. But with upcoming financial decisions, and talent being blocked, Koby Altman has a path ahead of him that highlights the need for asset reallocation.

With the contracts at play and what is at stake this season and next, the reckoning time for those decisions is quickly approaching.

All stats reflective of January 1.
 
What caliber of player could we get for LeVert and Okoro in a trade? What teams would need them?
The reason I ask is because it sucks to part w talent, especially young talent, so I like to crystallize the level of player that we would get in return.
The receiving team gets 1.5 years of Caris, then he is unrestricted, and Ice will be restricted next year.
I haven’t a clue what other teams would give up for these players, and I am not dogging them either.
 
What caliber of player could we get for LeVert and Okoro in a trade? What teams would need them?

Maybe the Cavs would be OK sending Okoro & LeVert out for expiring contracts and draft picks with expiration dates >=2025. You know, something with value that doesn't move the team further into the luxury tax and doesn't ask Coach for more minutes. There's always that one GM who starts thinking he can turn things around if he can just land a couple more role players for those pesky draft picks that he'll never get to use. Usually the Cavs GM that goes down that dark path, but maybe it's a move that can happen to the Cavs advantage closer to the Feb 8th trade deadline, close to the time when Mobley and Garland are ready to come back.
 
Maybe the Cavs would be OK sending Okoro & LeVert out for expiring contracts and draft picks with expiration dates >=2025. You know, something with value that doesn't move the team further into the luxury tax and doesn't ask Coach for more minutes. There's always that one GM who starts thinking he can turn things around if he can just land a couple more role players for those pesky draft picks that he'll never get to use. Usually the Cavs GM that goes down that dark path, but maybe it's a move that can happen to the Cavs advantage closer to the Feb 8th trade deadline, close to the time when Mobley and Garland are ready to come back.
Great points. I am a draft capital advocate as well. Maybe not OKC levels of stash, but I don’t like having so few dice rolls.
I was just wondering what type of project you get in return for these dudes. On that, you can sell another GM on Ice’s bird rights going forward, or a cheap contract if we re-sign him, and at least next year, you can sell LeVert as a sugar rush playoff push booster that will be salary relief (next year’s deadline), since he will come off of the books.
 
When the bottom of the roster is ready for playing time, it's a great situation. The last time the Cavs just had to aggregate several talents into one greater talent, Donovan Mitchell became a Cavalier. If the Cavs believe in CRAIG! and Merrill, with Emoni waiting in the queue... It's time to think about aggregation.
 
What caliber of player could we get for LeVert and Okoro in a trade? What teams would need them?
The reason I ask is because it sucks to part w talent, especially young talent, so I like to crystallize the level of player that we would get in return.
The receiving team gets 1.5 years of Caris, then he is unrestricted, and Ice will be restricted next year.
I haven’t a clue what other teams would give up for these players, and I am not dogging them either.
That's a good question..

LeVert's market seems pretty clear: A playoff type team in need of elevating their bench scoring.. Celtics and Sixers are the worst two bench scoring teams; Phoenix is 26th, Denver is 23rd, LAL is 22nd, Milwaukee is 20th and Minnesota is 19th.. Unfortunately, pretty much all of those teams have an asset that would provide the Cavs with what they need.. The Pelicans are 18th, I wonder if they would swap one of their many forwards for LeVert..

Okoro seems to be a guy who likely has more value to the Cavs than the open market... Between his draft status and his skillset being one the Cavs lack, I have a hard time seeing a team give the Cavs the type of value they'd likely seek.. Throw in his pending free agency and I can't see the value bringing back anything significant... If anything, I could see it being more of a deal of swapping out former high draft picks who need a change of scenery (Pat Williams?)..
 
The problem I have is that I like all of our guards (except Jerome, since I really haven't seen him play). While in theory, given the discrepancy between our talent at guard and at forward, we should trade a guard or two for a starting forward, I don't know which one I'd want to trade.
1. Mitchell is our Alpha-1, a guy we need in the big moment. We don't have any others. His salary is high and we risk getting nothing for him if we don't trade him. But, I doubt we would get another player close to his caliber who has a friendly contract.
2. LeVert is the only guy on the roster taller than 6'3" who can create his own shot. His inconsistency is maddening, but he has been the key player in several of our wins. We could probably get decent return for him, but it would have to be someone who can create his own shot.
3. Porter Junior may be the best point guard on the roster and he has played fewer than 20 games. I would move him to starter before I would trade him. He is ultra cheap.
4. Merrill could become Kyle Korver, given the opportunity. Given how poor our 3-point shooting has been in recent years, I am not trading that away. He is also cheap.
5. Okoro is probably our best finisher in transition, next to Mitchell. No one else on the roster can guard a top 2-guard like he can. He is young and still improving. I think he is the most expendable of this group, but we wouldn't get good enough value for him.
6. Garland? Maybe he is the best one to trade due to what he would bring in return. I love how he has developed here in Cleveland, though, and his quickness and outside shooting are elite. It is rare for defenses to shut down both Garland and Mitchell and like everyone not named "Future," I like him on the team.

Injuries do happen. (Wasn't it just a year ago that we pretty much had to play Osman at point guard?) But what do we do when everyone is healthy? There aren't enough minutes to go around. Do we base our rotations on the opponent? Maybe we have our guards full-court press for 48 minutes and rotate them in and out so they stay fresh?
 

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