Lindor trade ideas

[CDAV45]

I don't know why that site rates Carrasco so low but they do. He was just using the values from the site is all.

I am with @EdMonix11 on Smith, from the numbers, he isnt the best player against lefties, but he isn't the straight platoon either against them. His issue is his fielding not his bat. Davis at the end of the day isnt a whole lot better. The Indians dont need either guy at the end of the day.

I wasn't ripping Kevalier. I know he was only using the statistics provided to him, but there’s no way Carrasco’s value is that low when many/most would argue that his value is equal to or higher than Lindor's. Maybe there's an explanation, but I can't think of one.

Can’t disagree with much you say here Coach. At the end of the day we don’t need either. I just like Davis’ RH bat and the fact that he is a bit more defensively versatile and athletic. Both had good 2019 seasons, but Davis' was a little better and a larger sample. This lineup does not need anymore LHH unless it's someone like Brantley and we both know that's not going to happen.

 

[CATS44]

I agree with an earlier post of gson's.

The Tribe FO sets a 'price' for an trade asset, and then sticks to it...and they usually get it. The trades of both Bauer and Clevinger show it. And comparing it to the Snell and Darvish trades, our FO does pretty darn well.

Unless ownership demands an immediate trade in order to relieve financial stress (an admitted possibility), the FO will stick to its guns on any trade inquiries.

I dont think trades today are a bunch of horse trading, like a bazaar in the Casbah. While each team has its own internal evaluations, general evaluations are well known throughout baseball. Unless a team makes an offer in line with those general evaluations, it would get laughed at by the entire industry, and labeled as unserious....which would make it much harder for that team to do business.

My guess is that we fans will be underwhelmed with the return we get from any trade made this winter, but only because we don't see the internal evaluations. These are the same evaluations that helped get us players like Choo, Droobs, Coco, Kluber, Clevinger, Pronk, and Brantley in trade.These are also the same evaluations that made an elite rotation out of fourth round and lower draft picks.

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I wonder about something. Have the Indians been thinking ahead for the past several years? They have been stockpiling shortstops...there are more shortstops than teams to play them on.

Next year there are gonna be a truckload of veteran shortstops on the market, which means there are gonna be a lot of teams looking for good, young shortstops to replace the ones they lose.

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I'm not shooting the messenger here...

Any evaluation that states that one year of Frankie at $20 mil is worth four times as much as three years of Cookie at $39 mil...which means that one year of Frankie at $20 mil is worth 32 times one year of Cookie at $13 mil should be ignored.

 

[Kevalier]

Each package contains identical value and includes a starting 1B for the Tribe next season and beyond, a pre-arb catcher and a lower-level CF. Which do you guys prefer?

 

[CDAV45]

Good Lord! If those are examples of what we can expect in return for the best SS in the game then I hope to see him walk in FA. Those packages are not very appealing to me anyway. I like Kirk's bat, but he's a severely flawed player/prospect. There is no f'n way that his value is 24.1 while Tellez is only 6.5. They're both good bats that struggle with weight and defense. I'd rather take my chances with Bradley and Bauers than get Tellez. The proposed Mets package is even worse.

 

[Obscured By Clouds]

Good Lord! If those are examples of what we can expect in return for the best SS in the game then I hope to see him walk in FA. Those packages are not very appealing to me anyway. I like Kirk's bat, but he's a severely flawed player/prospect. There is no f'n way that his value is 24.1 while Tellez is only 6.5. They're both good bats that struggle with weight and defense. I'd rather take my chances with Bradley and Bauers than get Tellez. The proposed Mets package is even worse.

At this point Lindor is a 1 year rental in what will most likely be another shortened season. While I see no value in getting a first baseman back in the trade(we literally have too many already), that doesn't mean trading him will be worse than getting the QO draft pick.

 

[CDAV45]

At this point Lindor is a 1 year rental in what will most likely be another shortened season. While I see no value in getting a first baseman back in the trade(we literally have too many already), that doesn't mean trading him will be worse than getting the QO draft pick.

Lindor is a 1 yr rental for the best SS in baseball that will be given a QO, which means they will have him another year or get the pick. It also gives them the first chance to negotiate a contract past the 21 season. It also means that any team trading for him has high expectations for a WS. He's the type of player that can put a team over the top. Maybe that doesn't have much value in a trade, and I can accept that. What I can't accept is taking a pile of garbage for his services, even if it is only for 1 season.

 

[Criznit]

Each package contains identical value and includes a starting 1B for the Tribe next season and beyond, a pre-arb catcher and a lower-level CF. Which do you guys prefer?

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One aspect I think these are missing is the compensation a team would receive from Lindor rejecting a QO.

 

[Kevalier]

Good Lord! If those are examples of what we can expect in return for the best SS in the game then I hope to see him walk in FA. Those packages are not very appealing to me anyway. I like Kirk's bat, but he's a severely flawed player/prospect. There is no f'n way that his value is 24.1 while Tellez is only 6.5. They're both good bats that struggle with weight and defense. I'd rather take my chances with Bradley and Bauers than get Tellez. The proposed Mets package is even worse.

You’re seriously underestimating how impressive Dominic Smith has been at the plate since 2019 and especially in 2020. As his profile from Baseball Savant shows, he is in the upper percentile in several statistics and carried an OPS last season of .993 which was identical to the one produced by Jose Ramirez in 2020. Also, he is under team control for four more seasons.

 

[CDAV45]

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You’re seriously underestimating how impressive Dominic Smith has been at the plate since 2019 and especially in 2020. As his profile from Baseball Savant shows, he is in the upper percentile in several statistics and carried an OPS last season of .993 which was identical to the one produced by Jose Ramirez in 2020. Also, he is under team control for four more seasons.

There's more to playing baseball than just hitting and this organization doesn't need another 1B/DH LHH. I posted before that I give the 2020 season no credence one way or another. I also question why he hasn't amassed 200 AB in a single season, and you should too. I'm not saying he's not a good hitter. I'm saying he's not a good fit for this team, and I don't think I'm underestimating anything. Where does he play? You pushing Bradley and Bauers out of the picture? Reyes out of DH? Naylor out of LF? Jones? You like him and I don't. We'll see what happens I guess.

We didn't even mention the $2.75M he'll be making in 21.

 

[Kevalier]

There's more to playing baseball than just hitting and this organization doesn't need another 1B/DH LHH. I posted before that I give the 2020 season no credence one way or another. I also question why he hasn't amassed 200 AB in a single season, and you should too. I'm not saying he's not a good hitter. I'm saying he's not a good fit for this team, and I don't think I'm underestimating anything. Where does he play? You pushing Bradley and Bauers out of the picture? Reyes out of DH? Naylor out of LF? Jones? You like him and I don't. We'll see what happens I guess.

We didn't even mention the $2.75M he'll be making in 21.

Nothing personal towards him, but prioritizing giving Bobby Bradley plate appearances as a reason not to deal for Dom Smith is like turning down a date with Demi Lovato because your high school crush just moved back into town. Also, why are you hung up on the fact that Smith is a LHH? His splits have shown that he isn’t a platoon hitter and can hit LHP just fine.

 

[CDAV45]

Nothing personal towards him, but prioritizing giving Bobby Bradley plate appearances as a reason not to deal for Dom Smith is like turning down a date with Demi Lovato because your high school crush just moved back into town. Also, why are you hung up on the fact that Smith is a LHH? His splits have shown that he isn’t a platoon hitter and can hit LHP just fine.

I'm not prioritizing anyone. The fact of the matter is that all of Bradley, Bauers, Naylor, and Jones are on the current roster. Smith has never reached 200 AB in the 3 yrs with the Mets prior to the shortened 2020 season so your assumption of him being a sure thing is misguided. His performance against LHP is a mixed bag and I'm not sure what to believe. He's being/been protected, and questioning why is legitimate IMO.

If you want to send Bauers and Bradley down the road and bring Smith aboard then I'm fine with that. It's not that I have anything against Smith, I just don't think he should be a target unless some other DH/1B/LF players are out of the picture. Explain to me how he fits and I will change my mind accordingly. I fully expect Jones to end up at 1B when the dust settles as well which further complicates the matter for me.

 

[Steve_424]

I'm not prioritizing anyone. The fact of the matter is that all of Bradley, Bauers, Naylor, and Jones are on the current roster. Smith has never reached 200 AB in the 3 yrs with the Mets prior to the shortened 2020 season so your assumption of him being a sure thing is misguided. His performance against LHP is a mixed bag and I'm not sure what to believe. He's being/been protected, and questioning why is legitimate IMO.

If you want to send Bauers and Bradley down the road and bring Smith aboard then I'm fine with that. It's not that I have anything against Smith, I just don't think he should be a target unless some other DH/1B/LF players are out of the picture. Explain to me how he fits and I will change my mind accordingly. I fully expect Jones to end up at 1B when the dust settles as well which further complicates the matter for me.

Jones' arm would be a waste at 1B. If he can handle it, he'll be our RF for a long time.

 

[CDAV45]

Jones' arm would be a waste at 1B. If he can handle it, he'll be our RF for a long time.

Since when is a good arm a waste at any position? What would be a waste is watching Jones' lack of range letting balls drop that other OFers would easily get to. What if Johnson hits? His arm and defense are superior to Jones' and it looks like he will be given a real opportunity.

 

[AZ_]

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You’re seriously underestimating how impressive Dominic Smith has been at the plate since 2019 and especially in 2020. As his profile from Baseball Savant shows, he is in the upper percentile in several statistics and carried an OPS of nearly 1.000 last season which would have been head and shoulders above every other hitter in our lineup last season other than Jose. Also, he is under team control for four more seasons.

Absolute stud makeup guy as well.

 

[CATS44]

Dominic hasn't accrued more than 200 at bats in a MLB season for several very good reasons.

1) He was only 22 yrs old when he first came up.

2) He was stuck behind some pretty fair players...Adrian Gonzalez, Bruce, Cespedes, and Alonso.

3) He suffered from severe sleep apnea.

4) When he was first given a legitimate shot to compete with Gonzalez, he suffered a quadriceps injury.

5) In 2019 when he was tearing the cover off the ball, he suffered a stress fracture in his foot.

6) the 60 game season in 2020.

His numbers are legit. His statcast numbers aren't too shabby.

A middle of the order of JRam, Franmil, and Smith would be both formidable and balanced.

No way should Bradley/Bauers/Whomever stand in the way of acquiring such a bat.

I'm not thrilled at the thought of Smith in the outfield, but I watched years of Manny being Manny out there, and survived.

Smith is not Domingo Santana.

I dont see him as a centerpiece in a trade, but he would be a reasonable second piece.