• Changing RCF's index page, please click on "Forums" to access the forums.

Mayweather vs Pacquiao | May 2, 2015

Do Not Sell My Personal Information
It went as expected. You can hate Mayweather all you want and root for him to lose, but the truth of the matter is he's just about the greatest textbook boxer there ever was. There is a reason everyone looks completely impotent when they get in the ring with him. For me its beautiful to watch.

However I can certainly understand how even some big time boxing fans would think Mayweather fights are boring. Not everyone is gonna appreciate every fighting style, just the way it goes.

I'll bet all those people who don't actually watch boxing were pretty turned off.
I bet all those people will pay to see Mayweather try to win his 50th against an up and coming undefeated puncher. assuming he wins his 49th of course.
 
Deadspin flailing again. http://deadspin.com/floyd-mayweather-is-a-coward-1701842801

On the one hand, Mayweather is a coward for focusing on self-preservation and staying safe while boxing.

On the other hand, the NFL, Roger Goodell, and ESPN are evil for promoting big hits and violence in the NFL. Safety first, when it comes to NFL players.
 
My only problem with the video is that it perpetuates a false narrative. That somehow, Manny came out swinging and Floyd just dipped on him and hugged him. That's b.s. Floyd out punched Manny in literally every single measurable category.

The video was made before the fight, by the way.
 
Been thinking about this all day and have come to this conclusion. Props to mayweather for showing mastery in the ring last night, I hate his style because it isn't "dodgxing" but hey, the point-punch system is there for reasons beyond my better judgement. One thing I will say is that I hate mayweather the out-of-the-ring person. Flaunts his wealth and has a history of abuse, proven or disproven. When there's smoke there is fire so I believe at least some of it.

The part that disgusts me is the way he controls how the fights happen. I equate it too if the NBA let Lebron choose which court he wanted to play on for a series every game, the refs, the other teams equipment etc. just beat someone the right way, don't control what gloves they wear, that's some p****y shit.
 
4 man tourney between all of Rocky's opponents. Drago, Creed, Mason Dixon and Clubber. Who comes out on top?

The only two that beat Rocky were Creed and Clubber, and Clubber destroyed him. Creed also punked out and trained Rocky after Rocky beat him. Drago was a physical specimen but had issues with his country treating him like a piece of meat. Mason Dixon is a joke. I'd put Tommy "The Machine" Gun ahead of Dixon.

I'd go with Clubber.

I'd set up the seeds:
1 Drago v 4 Dixon
2 Clubber v 3 Creed

1 Drago v 2 Clubber

Clubber wins.
 
4 man tourney between all of Rocky's opponents. Drago, Creed, Mason Dixon and Clubber. Who comes out on top?

Well, Drago killed Apollo Creed, so I'd have to assume he'd win the hypothetical tournament. If it were real life, he would have beat Rocky's ass too, but Rocky had to win that one to end the Cold War.
 
Clubber beat an out od shape distracted Rocky,
Creed would take clubber to the distance and tire him out. similiar to what Rocky did without.
Drago meanwhile killed Creed.
lets not forget that lungdren almost made carl weathers quit production after throwing him across the ring and he sent Stallone to the hospital with a punch to the breadbasket.

Clubber wouldnt be able to knock out drago and Drago showed unlike rocky he could give what he get.. drago over in 5 rounds. Drago over creed in 3 rounds
Dixon beat a 50- year old rocky by split decision
Dixon (the character) would of joined apollo in the graveyard against Drago.
 
I like how we don't even include Tommy in this. Of course not. That guy sucked.
 
The part that disgusts me is the way he controls how the fights happen.

That's what promoters do. Think about it. Before Mayweather did it for himself, Bob Arum did it for him. Dana White accused Arum of basically ruining boxing. So, Mayweather bought himself out of his contract with Arum and formed his own promotion company, thereby controlling the fights himself.

Now, you have other promoters (basically Arum) blasting Mayweather for exactly the things a promoter is supposed to be doing for their fighters, because they know the public at large does not understand the way these fights are organized.

But this is a common criticism of Mayweather, and one that I think is irrational because it begs the question: if Mayweather shouldn't control the fights, then who should?

I equate it too if the NBA let Lebron choose which court he wanted to play on for a series every game, the refs, the other teams equipment etc.

This is what I mean, you equate it to a regulated league sport, where there are teams that are part of an association where everyone has predetermined in a collective bargaining agreement and a charter as how to conduct the sport.

No such boxing organization exists, and never has.

So when fights are organized, promoted, marketed, and executed, there is a great deal of negotiation between several business entities, one or two of which will represent the fighters themselves.

In the instance of Manny's next fight, he'll fight another Top Rank fighter, because Arum will want to ensure Pacman doesn't get another loss. There'll be no negotiation, there'll be no hassle over gloves, because Arum will be negotiating on behalf of both parties. Now, if Manny were to fight a boxer under a different promoter, then there would be questions that need to be answered with respect to equipment, drug testing, which arena, how to break down revenues. Etc, etc..

just beat someone the right way,

That's what he did.

don't control what gloves they wear, that's some p****y shit.

But you haven't said why?

Pacquiao signed a contract stating that he would not wear horse hair gloves (which have less padding than others), but horse hair gloves are approved by the Nevada Boxing Commission. When Mayweather's camp complained and stated Pacquiao was in breach of contract, the commission ignored arbitration as did CBS stating there wasn't anything to be done that late in the game - it would have to be a legal matter for after the fight.

Mayweather has always stated that boxers should use the safest gloves possible, and neither party should use gloves that aim to reduce padding in order to add a harder punching effect as it's dangerous.

You can say, "fuck that I want bareknuckle," but Mayweather's point is that "this isn't a brawl, this isn't a street fight - it's boxing."
 
That's what promoters do. Think about it. Before Mayweather did it for himself, Bob Arum did it for him. Dana White accused Arum of basically ruining boxing. So, Mayweather bought himself out of his contract with Arum and formed his own promotion company, thereby controlling the fights himself.

Now, you have other promoters (basically Arum) blasting Mayweather for exactly the things a promoter is supposed to be doing for their fighters, because they know the public at large does not understand the way these fights are organized.

But this is a common criticism of Mayweather, and one that I think is irrational because it begs the question: if Mayweather shouldn't control the fights, then who should?



This is what I mean, you equate it to a regulated league sport, where there are teams that are part of an association where everyone has predetermined in a collective bargaining agreement and a charter as how to conduct the sport.

No such boxing organization exists, and never has.

So when fights are organized, promoted, marketed, and executed, there is a great deal of negotiation between several business entities, one or two of which will represent the fighters themselves.

In the instance of Manny's next fight, he'll fight another Top Rank fighter, because Arum will want to ensure Pacman doesn't get another loss. There'll be no negotiation, there'll be no hassle over gloves, because Arum will be negotiating on behalf of both parties. Now, if Manny were to fight a boxer under a different promoter, then there would be questions that need to be answered with respect to equipment, drug testing, which arena, how to break down revenues. Etc, etc..



That's what he did.



But you haven't said why?

Pacquiao signed a contract stating that he would not wear horse hair gloves (which have less padding than others), but horse hair gloves are approved by the Nevada Boxing Commission. When Mayweather's camp complained and stated Pacquiao was in breach of contract, the commission ignored arbitration as did CBS stating there wasn't anything to be done that late in the game - it would have to be a legal matter for after the fight.

Mayweather has always stated that boxers should use the safest gloves possible, and neither party should use gloves that aim to reduce padding in order to add a harder punching effect as it's dangerous.

You can say, "fuck that I want bareknuckle," but Mayweather's point is that "this isn't a brawl, this isn't a street fight - it's boxing."

Gour, I maintain a casual fans opinion and I appreciate your input because it is an educated one clearly, and it has taught me a few things about boxing. I understand the part about a regulated league, but it feels like at least in the NBA its a 3rd party system that seems more objective(although that can be questionable) while it seems at the same time, fighting mayweather is like having to sign into the league of mayweather and his rules. I never understood the reduced padding because I'm not as in depth of a fan, but from the outside, I hope you can understand my point. I respect your opinion, and am honored to have had a famous gour "essay" so to speak haha, but I would love to learn more about this and will keep up with this thread.
 
@gourimoko break down the Rocky opponents for us. Who was the best and why?
 
I like how we don't even include Tommy in this. Of course not. That guy sucked.

Tommy Gunn would win by forfeit as no one wants to fight a guy with AIDS.
 
Mayweather povetkin Bradley and others have gone a long way as individual fighters in showing that the sport is clean by demanding thrier opponents to be subjected to the same level of drug testing that they are.
With all the shadiness associated with boxing this is a good thing to see and give hope that the boxers and the organizations that title them can bring sme legitimacy to the sport that the promoters have brought into question.

Promoters are almost as corrupt and shady as the when the mob fixed fights on a regular basis.
Its up to the fighters with the titles to clean up this sport and they do so by dictating the terms of the fight .
 

Rubber Rim Job Podcast Video

Episode 3-14: "Time for Playoff Vengeance on Mickey"

Rubber Rim Job Podcast Spotify

Episode 3:14: " Time for Playoff Vengeance on Mickey."
Top