Mike Brown

[mAo_mAo]

We will still fire MB when he is exposed in the playoffs again. Just cut the chase and hire a coach that could get this team over the hump.

 

[Cashius X]

Ya I totally realized that he is the opposite of what this team needs, my bad

It's ok. We all make mistakes.

 

[MirORich]

It's only The Bullshit Whisperer so massive flatbeds of salt, but realting to both the front office and coaching:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>While nothing etched in stone and Dan Gilbert hasn't addressed it, am told the &quot;feel inside&quot; organization is David Griffin will be <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Cavs&amp;src=hash">#Cavs</a> GM.</p>&mdash; Sam The Bullshit Whisperer (@SamAmicoFSO) <a href="https://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO/statuses/458364518821679104">April 21, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Once front office in place, source says, <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Cavs&amp;src=hash">#Cavs</a> will seek &quot;honest opinions&quot; from players &amp; management on if they truly believe in coach.</p>&mdash; Sam The Bullshit Whisperer (@SamAmicoFSO) <a href="https://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO/statuses/458365627011321856">April 21, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Mott the Hoople]

Mike Brown must be released for this team to move forward.
There were too many "signature losses" last season to get another crack at it. The team needs a fresh start. Another chance for Kyrie, and Dion to make another first impression.
There will be big changes, and the coach is just the start.

 

[MirORich]

Mike Brown must be released for this team to move forward.
There were too many "signature losses" last season to get another crack at it. The team needs a fresh start. Another chance for Kyrie, and Dion to make another first impression.
There will be big changes, and the coach is just the start.

Disagree. Unless you have slam dunk guy who has won a championship before lined up and all but signed, sealed, and delivered, Kyrie, Dion and the other younger guys do not need a third coach and third system in three years. I posted the The Bullshit Whisperer tweets because someone was going to , nbut lets not forget it's The Bullshit Whisperer. I can't remember the last time the guy broke a story or was "First AND Right" about something.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Disagree. Unless you have slam dunk guy who has won a championship before lined up and all but signed, sealed, and delivered, Kyrie, Dion and the other younger guys do not need a third coach and third system in three years. I posted the The Bullshit Whisperer tweets because someone was going to , nbut lets not forget it's The Bullshit Whisperer. I can't remember the last time the guy broke a story or was "First AND Right" about something.

I think Griffin will he retained, but I can't see him hitching his wagon to Brown. Other than Dellavedova, I can't think of anyone on the roster that performed to their potential. Even a veteran like Deng never really meshed with Brown.
There are no sure things to hire as a coach. (Maybe George Karl). But you can't make a mistake worse by giving Brown another season.

 

[caf]

I think Griffin will he retained, but I can't see him hitching his wagon to Brown. Other than Dellavedova, I can't think of anyone on the roster that performed to their potential. Even a veteran like Deng never really meshed with Brown.
There are no sure things to hire as a coach. (Maybe George Karl). But you can't make a mistake worse by giving Brown another season.

We won the most games since the rebuild started. Went from three consecutive years of being fifth in the Central to third. We did this while instilling a completely new defensive and offensive system. Not to mention a system that is predicated on discipline and team work. We did that with Bynum who was the antithesis of the system we wanted to instill. Did MB do things I didnt and don't agree with? Yes. But the guy deserves another year.

This season did not meet my expectations. But then again a new system with young players with large egos... Perhaps my expectations were too high. This team was a wild horse that needed to get broken. The end of the season suggests we broke the horse. They had some solid success at the end of the season despite all the failures. To not see it through would be crazy in my opinion.

 

[AvonCavsFan]

Dion Waiters gave the strongest endorsement of any Cavs player when he said he wanted Mike Brown to return to maintain stability within the organization.

“I’d like to see coach come back,” he said Thursday. “We’ve been together for a year. The ups and downs he stuck with us, we stuck with him. … I don’t think we need any more changes right now.”

http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland...lse&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

I hate when people quote the players talking positively about the "city,coach, gm, cheerleaders, defensive setup, owner". What the fuck else is Dion going to say?? If he says "hell no, Mike is an moron, I mean at the end of the day, it took him all year to finally start me, what other moron plays Jarrett Jack more than me, I hope he is gone next year"--and then Mike comes back, where does that leave Dion?

 

[Rich]

We won the most games since the rebuild started. Went from three consecutive years of being fifth in the Central to third. We did this while instilling a completely new defensive and offensive system. Not to mention a system that is predicated on discipline and team work. We did that with Bynum who was the antithesis of the system we wanted to instill. Did MB do things I didnt and don't agree with? Yes. But the guy deserves another year.

This season did not meet my expectations. But then again a new system with young players with large egos... Perhaps my expectations were too high. This team was a wild horse that needed to get broken. The end of the season suggests we broke the horse. They had some solid success at the end of the season despite all the failures. To not see it through would be crazy in my opinion.

No they weren't. 33 wins is less than the bare minimum this team should have achieved. This team underachieved and Brown is part of the reason. Took him well over half the season to stop with the mandatory hard hedging. Took him 4/5s of the season to realize Dion Waiters is a better player than Jarrett Jack. At no point did he realize Delly was a better player than Jarrett Jack.

32 wins should never guarantee any coach another year. Improvement can't be viewed in a vacuum. Comparing this year to last year doesn't work when you consider the Eastern conference was worse than last year and we brought in waaay more talent than we did last year. Put Luol Deng and Hawes on Jack on last year's team, do they not win more than 25 games?

I thought this team would win 36-38 games prior to the season, and a lot of people thought I was being a downer. But that was before we traded for Luol Deng. 36-38 wins would have been an underachievement at that point. Instead we managed to fall way short of even that modest win total.

 

[KI4MVP]

I hate when people quote the players talking positively about the "city,coach, gm, cheerleaders, defensive setup, owner". What the fuck else is Dion going to say?? If he says "hell no, Mike is an moron, I mean at the end of the day, it took him all year to finally start me, what other moron plays Jarrett Jack more than me, I hope he is gone next year"--and then Mike comes back, where does that leave Dion?

he could simply side step the question and say it's a management decision.

Dion closed the season playing the best basketball of his career (by a mile) on both sides of the ball. Why would he want a coaching change? You don't think he thinks Mike Brown helped him become a better player?

 

[Rich]

he could simply side step the question and say it's a management decision.

Dion closed the season playing the best basketball of his career (by a mile) on both sides of the ball. Why would he want a coaching change? You don't think he thinks Mike Brown helped him become a better player?

His two year career. Improvement was almost a given.

Meanwhile Kyrie had the worst season of his career under Mike Brown. Does that count?

 

[supermario21]

How many other teams trying to compete for the playoffs had a roster undergo as many makeovers as ours did? We basically played 2 or 3 different seasons in 1, with one of the youngest rosters in the league, and we played our best when 3 of our top 8 were injured. Improvement from beginning to end. Yes, MB deserves another year. I'd rather have MB than Griff. I like Griff but I'm worried he's too much D'Antoni who sucks. Is Griffin one of those who like Steve Kerr wanted more defense in Phoenix? It's one thing to like a fast paced offensive team but I don't want the Cavs to evolve D'Antoni and that "7 seconds or less garbage."

 

[AvonCavsFan]

It has gotten to the point of ridiculousness with the MB apologists.

Again, this team was not as young as everyone keeps saying. We had a lot more "vet" help. Andy played 60+ games, Kyrie 70+ games, Deng, Hawes, and like him or not (and I don't) Jarrett Jack was a big piece on a playoff team last year. The young guys were SUPPOSED to improve--that is what happens to young guys all across the league.

Trying to compare the "improvements" this year vs last year has got to be the dumbest argument ever.

Last years team did not improve down the stretch is really a complaint? We were shooting for the #1 pick, that WAS the goal, the front office made that clear with the moves they made.

God forbid Byron didn't get them to improve down the stretch (when he was purposely given as bad a roster as possible), no Andy, no Kyrie-how dare Byron not make us improve with the stellar group of Omri Casspi, Mo Speights and Kevin Jones--hell Wayne Ellington STARTED! We played a rookie Center the 4th most minutes, a journey man (Gee) played the 2nd most minutes, a 2nd year PF who is a backup center played the most minutes for us because we had NO CHOICE, Mike Brown played this 3rd year PF BY CHOICE a ton of minutes.

And for those of you giving him a pass on Bynum, I think it is bullshit. There is no way in hell Gilbert and Grant did not consult with him about Bynum. They had to have asked him about Bynum and his attitude and I am sure MB thought he could handle him--he was WRONG. And you are the head coach-if the player is not buying in, you don't fucking play him. This is why I don't like MB. He is not strong enough to make the tough decisions. It is why we lost to the Celtics in 2010. Shaq did not belong on the floor in that series, but he couldn't bench him-even though I know some coaches on the staff thought they were better off to do so. I mean the obvious things he just doesn't see-Shaq and Jamison was a sieve on D-just because they were vets and paid a lot does not mean you HAVE to play them--you HAVE to win-do what is nec. to win, period. We ran the Celtics off the floor and we were a freakish team with LBJ at the four that year--CREATE the mismatch for once damn it!


And now to discuss our awesome defense this year. Some of you are using FG% as your barometer. This is not 1994. eFG & and TS% are available. PP per 100 possessions is available.

We gave up 2083 three point shots. That is 85 more three point shots than than the 2nd most in the league. And I went back to 2006-07 looking and no team was over 1900 threes against!!! I got lazy, but I am betting that 2083 is a record number of three's against a team.

Think about that. Why does it happen? Because of our awesome interior D or because the three point shots are so fucking wide open that the opponent shoots the damn ball? I will go with B, since that is what I observed at all of the games I watched/attended. This is where stats with eye test works.

Our defensive rating per 100 possessions adjusted for strength of opponent placed us 22nd on the year. http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014_ratings.html

We had the talent to make the playoffs this year. Without question. I am convinced there are a few hundred people posting in this forum that could have "coached" us there.

Obvious adjustments he never sees. It took him 50 games to even try CJ at the three spot--yet we ran Dion or Delly as a fucking SF for large minutes this year. Ugh. I wish I had a job that I could tank for 3 months, then improve a little bit and then point to the improvement instead of the severe under performance.

Was there improvement from early on? Not by the coach. This team severely under-performed its talent level-ALL YEAR. It was just worse the first half of the year. And in every "big" game we had down the stretch we folded-and our defense got blitzed.

I haven't been posting much due to apathy. I did NOT renew my season tickets and won't do so until MB is fired-and my ticket rep knows this. I hope we have a new coach next year so I have something to look forward to.

Most important stat on the year:
33-49=major failure

 

[AvonCavsFan]

he could simply side step the question and say it's a management decision.

Dion closed the season playing the best basketball of his career (by a mile) on both sides of the ball. Why would he want a coaching change? You don't think he thinks Mike Brown helped him become a better player?

No I don't. He was answering PC. Our team reporters ask leading questions--it is how you got your signature.

 

[caf]

His two year career. Improvement was almost a given.

Meanwhile Kyrie had the worst season of his career under Mike Brown. Does that count?

Kyrie is playing selfish ball at a team position. There's no ball movement on the court when Kyrie has it because they know, odds are he's taking it. Who is at fault here? Kyrie or Mike Brown?

Mike Brown is trying to build a contender. Not a 5 seed in a weak East. When a man like Popovich comments on the system Mike Brown is installing and says 'it takes years, not months, to perfect.' Well I'll listen to that more than a selfish volume point guard who played no defense having a dip in production.