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I wonder if Grants firing really put the pressure on MB. It seems like he had a plan for long term growth that meant the possibility of sacrificing wins. I mean after CG was fired, this teams started playing very differently. Perhaps I'm giving MB too much credit... But the pieces vaguely fit together.
 
Dion started the beginning of the season and the end of the season. He was a vastly better player on both ends of the court at the end of the season. I think Mike Brown helped him get there. I always said Brown was more demanding of Dion than he was of players like Jack because he knew Dion could be the far better player and was pushing him to get that out of him,
Brown didn't help shit. More of a hindrance, but thank goodness, Dion was able to overcome the Brown obstacle. Mike had him on the short leash almost the entire season. Dion is a streaky player who performs when he gets steady minutes. Only when Kyrie got hurt, Mike was forced to play Dion. Dion was able to play his game without being worry of getting yank during bad stretches. One game, Dion started 0-8, he would have been benched and lucky to get 14 min total, but he was allowed to get his 30 mins and finished 6-10 the rest of the game. So, if anyone should get credit for Dion's improvement, thank Kyrie for getting hurt.
 
From Griffin conf

Marla Ridenour: Underlying vibe doesn’t bode well for Cavaliers coach Mike Brown

INDEPENDENCE: It wasn’t anything Cavaliers acting General Manager David Griffin said about coach Mike Brown on Tuesday that made Brown’s return seem uncertain.
It was what Griffin didn’t say.
Twice during a 25-minute, wrap-up news conference, Griffin was asked specifically about Brown and the job he did during a 33-49 season. A third time the question was posed to Griffin whether he blamed the coach or the players for giving away games, especially late in the season.
Not once during those three chances did Griffin glowingly praise Brown.
On the first, Griffin said, “We’re all under review.” He didn’t even mention Brown’s name.
Later when asked to evaluate Brown, Griffin said, “Our coach and our coaching staff did a very good job.” Griffin pointed out the Cavs’ rise from 30th to 12th in defensive field-goal percentage and strides made offensively in the second half, when they were “better at moving bodies and the ball.”
But Griffin had already given a harsh analysis of the team, saying it wasn’t tough enough, smart enough or big enough and that it had to improve its shooting. More than once he mentioned the Cavs’ lack of “basketball IQ.”
On giving away games, Griffin didn’t absolve Brown, either.
“I put a lot on the fit of the group,” Griffin said. “I’d like to see us move in a direction where we improve our ability to make the right basketball decision at the right time. There is no isolated blame of any kind. It’s the collective. Right now, the collective isn’t working.”
Reading between the lines, it was enough to make those at Cleveland Clinic Courts wonder whether Mike Brown 2.0 will turn out any differently than Mike Brown 1.0. Cavs owner Dan Gilbert fired Brown after the 2010 season in a desperate attempt to persuade LeBron James to stay in free agency.
Gilbert did not attend Tuesday’s gathering. He was off “trying to make us better,” Griffin said. That probably means Gilbert is contacting candidates for the roles of coach, general manager and/or president, a new layer he’s considering adding. It remains to be seen whether anyone wants to work with the Cavs’ collection of misfits and for an impulsive owner who fired General Manager Chris Grant on Feb. 6 without a long-term plan.
Gilbert expected the Cavs to reach the playoffs this season, a goal heightened by the weakness of the Eastern Conference. Instead they earned a lottery pick for the fourth consecutive year. With the eighth playoff spot on the line in an April 4 game at the Atlanta Hawks, the Cavs lost 117-98, with Griffin saying they reverted to their old ways of being selfish and not trusting each other.
Some would blame the players for that. Gilbert might think Brown should have done something to snap them out of that selfish haze. At the moment, I’m leaning that way as well.
What Griffin thinks might not matter. His status is as uncertain as Brown’s. Griffin’s name also has been rumored in connection with other teams, including the Detroit Pistons.
Asked about those reports, Griffin said, “This is a really, really big focus for our organization moving forward: You’re either all the way in or you’re all the way out. And there’s no in-between. You declare a side. I’m all the way in. This is where I want to be, it’s the organization I believe in.”
If the acting title is removed and Griffin remains in charge, the endorsement he failed to give Brown will hang over the Cavs until Gilbert speaks. Brown and Grant were best friends and teammates in college. Brown is not a great communicator, a trait that seems to be one of Griffin’s strengths.
Gilbert must realize if he fires Brown again, he might not be able to lure an experienced NBA coach. He might be left scouring the pro assistant and college ranks with no clout but a fat wallet. Perhaps he can be convinced that continued upheaval would doom his franchise, just as it has the Browns.
But if the vibes coming from Griffin on Tuesday were any indication, more upheaval might on the way.
 
I heard a recent podcast where Mark Cuban said something along the lines of "if you talk to any NBA player, he'll tell you how he'd score 20 points per game if the coach would just let him play". I had to laugh at that, thinking about all the nonsense posts on here about how awful Mike Brown is. How great Dion would be if he got 35 minutes. How he refuses to play Karasev and develop young players (you know, while Delly was playing a substantial role most of the season.

He was brought on primarily to instill defense in a very young team. He made great strides in this area, but unfortunately, the team took more than half a season to connect the dots. The dots were connecting at the end. It's crazy to get rid of Brown at this point.

It's defense and team first. If you put in the effort and don't act entitled, you'll play under Brown. There were clearly issues with Dion early on in the season with pouting and the Bynum cancer probably didn't help. By the end, Dion made a huge turnaround. If Brown is fired, the new coach is going to be in a really lucky position thanks to the progress Brown made this year.
 
I heard a recent podcast where Mark Cuban said something along the lines of "if you talk to any NBA player, he'll tell you how he'd score 20 points per game if the coach would just let him play". I had to laugh at that, thinking about all the nonsense posts on here about how awful Mike Brown is. How great Dion would be if he got 35 minutes. How he refuses to play Karasev and develop young players (you know, while Delly was playing a substantial role most of the season.

He was brought on primarily to instill defense in a very young team. He made great strides in this area, but unfortunately, the team took more than half a season to connect the dots. The dots were connecting at the end. It's crazy to get rid of Brown at this point.

It's defense and team first. If you put in the effort and don't act entitled, you'll play under Brown. There were clearly issues with Dion early on in the season with pouting and the Bynum cancer probably didn't help. By the end, Dion made a huge turnaround. If Brown is fired, the new coach is going to be in a really lucky position thanks to the progress Brown made this year.

If all he is going to do is instill defense, then he don't deserve to be a head coach of any team. There is more to being a head coach than installing a "defense".
 
If all he is going to do is instill defense, then he don't deserve to be a head coach of any team. There is more to being a head coach than installing a "defense".

Here is what Mike Brown wants to do:
Lock down half court defense.
A running team in transition looking to press and score easy buckets.

No need to have a complicated half court offense when you want the points in transition more. As the players play together more they will learn what works for them on offense... But the only offense Brown cares about is the offense that results from defense.

This is exactly how the Miami Heat play. Seems to work well enough for them.
 
Also remember Pops recent comments on NBA offenses, which was basically "players need to communicate and figure it out themselves". Obviously easy with people like Duncan, but Pop has been hard on players in the past who don't buy in. You either buy in or you don't play. I'm fine with Brown doing the same. Thee young players haven't "earned" anything yet. I think that was finally starting to click with them after Grant got fired.

The last thing I want is a coach who is brought in because of how great their offensive "system" is. The fact that the Heat were man handled by the Mavs in 2011 should tell you a lot about how offense works. Or the fact that the 2009 Cavs won so many games. It takes time for a team to develop a style and this team'a system was shocked with one coaching change already.
 
And I'd argue that a coaching change has more impact in basketball than it does in baseball or football. Can't be like the Browns...
 
I heard a recent podcast where Mark Cuban said something along the lines of "if you talk to any NBA player, he'll tell you how he'd score 20 points per game if the coach would just let him play". I had to laugh at that, thinking about all the nonsense posts on here about how awful Mike Brown is. How great Dion would be if he got 35 minutes. How he refuses to play Karasev and develop young players (you know, while Delly was playing a substantial role most of the season.

He was brought on primarily to instill defense in a very young team. He made great strides in this area, but unfortunately, the team took more than half a season to connect the dots. The dots were connecting at the end. It's crazy to get rid of Brown at this point.

It's defense and team first. If you put in the effort and don't act entitled, you'll play under Brown. There were clearly issues with Dion early on in the season with pouting and the Bynum cancer probably didn't help. By the end, Dion made a huge turnaround. If Brown is fired, the new coach is going to be in a really lucky position thanks to the progress Brown made this year.

This turns a complete blind eye to this teams offensive problems however. And with Griffin in command, assuming he remains the GM, Mike Brown is an awful fit. From a strategic standpoint, offensive philosophy, and communication with players. It shouldn't be the GM's job to pacify players and get them to buy into the coaches system. The Head Coach should be able to do that and if he can't, the team is going to be dysfunctional and not trust one another, which is Griffin's mantra...TRUST within the team.

The Cavs made huge strides when Grant was fired and Griffin gave the team an ultimatum to begin playing for one another rather than selfishly, or plan on riding pine. And it worked in spots, but at the end of the day, that message shouldn't be coming from the GM.

They can elect to keep Brown, and our defense will probably continue to improve while our offense goes through it's normal struggles. The players will continue to ride the roller coaster of Mike Brown's in-game decisions around substitution patterns and game management while trying to be that "father figure" in the locker-room. But I'm not sure that is enough for someone who truly understands the NBA game and what it takes to develop and create a great franchise. Mike Brown just isn't that guy unfortunately. And on the flip-side, there is a ton of coaching talent available in the college ranks that combines a more cutting edge philosophy in regards to systems as well as player management. I'm just not sure why anyone would choose to continue down the path of Mike Brown if you could land a Fred Hoiberg, Billy Donovan, Shaka Smart, or Kevin Ollie. All guys who could actually play, understand and develop the hell out of their guards, and have teams that will run through walls for them.
 
And on the flip-side, there is a ton of coaching talent available in the college ranks that combines a more cutting edge philosophy in regards to systems as well as player management. I'm just not sure why anyone would choose to continue down the path of Mike Brown if you could land a Fred Hoiberg, Billy Donovan, Shaka Smart, or Kevin Ollie. All guys who could actually play, understand and develop the hell out of their guards, and have teams that will run through walls for them.

You just named 4 guys who have proven nothing at the NBA level. Just because they can scheme well in college or because there players in college like them doesn not mean the same would be true in the NBA. Could some of them end up beng good NBA coaches? Sure. Could some of those end up as good a coach or better than Mike Brown? Perhaps. But the big flaw is that you already have assumed and assigned that to them, with no basis in fact or experience. That is a mighty big risk to take for a third system and third coach in three years for a young roster.

You also give all the credit to the improved play post Grant to Griffin vs. Giving it to Brown and the coaching staff.
 
You just named 4 guys who have proven nothing at the NBA level. Just because they can scheme well in college or because there players in college like them doesn not mean the same would be true in the NBA. Could some of them end up beng good NBA coaches? Sure. Could some of those end up as good a coach or better than Mike Brown? Perhaps. But the big flaw is that you already have assumed and assigned that to them, with no basis in fact or experience. That is a mighty big risk to take for a third system and third coach in three years for a young roster.

You also give all the credit to the improved play post Grant to Griffin vs. Giving it to Brown and the coaching staff.

I don't like Mike Brown but I think we're on the same page. Getting an up-and-coming NCAA coach or an up-and-coming NBA assistant coach would be fine if we're talking about a brand new rebuild similar to Boston's or Philly's situations. However, when the circumstances are as dire as ours you need to take a well-established, proven coach who has achieved success in the NBA. We're not in a position to be experimenting with new, young guys. We need someone whom we know can get the job done in the NBA.

I'm personally unsure of whether we should keep Mike Brown or not. While I do think continuity is something that our young core and even our organization needs, I'm not 100% faithful that Mike Brown can get us to where we want to go. I'm only a proponent of firing him if it means that we can hire a proven NBA coach who can get the most out of our group of players (primarily our backcourt). We'll see what happens though on that front soon I guess.
 
I don't like Mike Brown but I think we're on the same page. Getting an up-and-coming NCAA coach or an up-and-coming NBA assistant coach would be fine if we're talking about a brand new rebuild similar to Boston's or Philly's situations. However, when the circumstances are as dire as ours you need to take a well-established, proven coach who has achieved success in the NBA. We're not in a position to be experimenting with new, young guys. We need someone whom we know can get the job done in the NBA.

I'm personally unsure of whether we should keep Mike Brown or not. While I do think continuity is something that our young core and even our organization needs, I'm not 100% faithful that Mike Brown can get us to where we want to go. I'm only a proponent of firing him if it means that we can hire a proven NBA coach who can get the most out of our group of players (primarily our backcourt). We'll see what happens though on that front soon I guess.

I agree. The time for a up and coming coach was when LJ left. We need a proven coach or there is no point to make a change.
 
How about coaching both offense and defense? You need both!!
 

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