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Alright here is the thread for the week of the 24th...

AAA
9-12 Columbus at 8-12 Indianapolis..

AA
8-7 Akron at 6-8 Binghamton

A+
9-5 Lake County at 6-9 Dayton

A
7-8 Lynchburg vs 4-10 Fredericksburg
 
Not, a bad day to watch some MiLb pitching ... Columbus starts at 11 am ... Akron DH at 5 pm

I switched it to this weeks... lol

Nice looking rotations today so which to watch hmm...
 
Gavin Williams with an excellent outing in his AAA debut. He ran into some adversity in the 6th, faced 3 batters and walked the first two batters. Oviedo comes in and takes care of business.

Final line of 89 pitches 56 strikes - 5.1IP 3H 0R/0ER 3BB 6K
 
So, Williams day is done. Has a decent (as Criznit said excellent) stat line ... 5-1/3, 0 runs, 3 hits, 3 walks and 6 ks. He will be special but he has a lot of work to do on his offspeed and location based on today from what I saw. He throws mainly fastball/slider but works on overpowering hitters which he does than Allen and Bibee locations. And, he goes to FB as his main out pitch. His curve shows promise (but you see below, he still hangs 1/2 above the zone). Just think a few months at AAA (like Allen) will do him a lot of good - has the stuff. Yet, see the sliders down the middle - will he fool Mlbers until it is located on the boundaries - but the computer ump doesn't give balls on the borders (which was Allen's problem in his last AAA start).

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So, Williams day is done. Has a decent (as Criznit said excellent) stat line ... 5-1/3, 0 runs, 3 hits, 3 walks and 6 ks. He will be special but he has a lot of work to do on his offspeed and location based on today from what I saw. He throws mainly fastball/slider but works on overpowering hitters which he does than Allen and Bibee locations. And, he goes to FB as his main out pitch. His curve shows promise (but you see below, he still hangs 1/2 above the zone). Just think a few months at AAA (like Allen) will do him a lot of good - has the stuff. Yet, see the sliders down the middle - will he fool Mlbers until it is located on the boundaries - but the computer ump doesn't give balls on the borders (which was Allen's problem in his last AAA start).

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Dude, it's his first start after a promotion. Don't you think that he was probably a little amped and outside his normal self? His walk rate in Akron was phenomenal this year(1.9 BB/9). I think his control is fine, but another start or 2 will tell us more. My guess is that they think he's ready or damn near it or he wouldn't have been in the conversation to get called up Sunday. We need to remember that development doesn't stop when a young player is promoted to the highest level. That's arguably the best/most important development remaining. He has the stuff to get major league hitters out even if he isn't fully polished.
 
Dude, it's his first start after a promotion. Don't you think that he was probably a little amped and outside his normal self? His walk rate in Akron was phenomenal this year(1.9 BB/9). I think his control is fine, but another start or 2 will tell us more. My guess is that they think he's ready or damn near it or he wouldn't have been in the conversation to get called up Sunday. We need to remember that development doesn't stop when a young player is promoted to the highest level. That's arguably the best/most important development remaining. He has the stuff to get major league hitters out even if he isn't fully polished.

He's not as polished as Bibee... Don't forget he didn't actually pitch a lot in college before we got him.
 
He's not as polished as Bibee... Don't forget he didn't actually pitch a lot in college before we got him.
Who ever said he was as polished as Bibee? It certainly wasn't me because I've blatantly said that Bibee was the most polished SP prospect we had. Thing is, Williams doesn't have to be as polished. Sure, it would help like it would help any pitcher, but he is so overpowering that he can be very effective without pinpoint control. He simply hasn't really been challenged yet and I don't expect that to happen until he gets the call to Cleveland. Don't forget they view him as an option right now and if someone goes down or gets dealt then he's the next man up.
 
Who ever said he was as polished as Bibee? It certainly wasn't me because I've blatantly said that Bibee was the most polished SP prospect we had. Thing is, Williams doesn't have to be as polished. Sure, it would help like it would help any pitcher, but he is so overpowering that he can be very effective without pinpoint control. He simply hasn't really been challenged yet and I don't expect that to happen until he gets the call to Cleveland. Don't forget they view him as an option right now and if someone goes down or gets dealt then he's the next man up.

Cantillo is likely ahead of Williams right now... They aren't going to be as quick to add Williams cause he still has somethings they want him to work on...
 
Cantillo is likely ahead of Williams right now... They aren't going to be as quick to add Williams cause he still has somethings they want him to work on...
Oh really? What ever happened to your certain number of starts/innings in Columbus? Why is Williams pitching in Columbus and Cantillo is still in Akron? I pretty much think you are FOS in regards to this topic. Do I need to post what Harris said again? I told you these kids were ready or damn near and they are. The same shit that happened last year is happening again and some of you need to wake up. This system is full of talent and it's ready for the pickin'. Promoting these extremely talented kids isn't going to be a detriment to this team. Just like last season it's going to make it better, so get the fuck out of the way Plesac, Civale, Rosario, and whoever else is a decent major league player/pitcher because the train is coming down the tracks. We're getting ready for a multi-year run baby.
 
Who ever said he was as polished as Bibee? It certainly wasn't me because I've blatantly said that Bibee was the most polished SP prospect we had. Thing is, Williams doesn't have to be as polished. Sure, it would help like it would help any pitcher, but he is so overpowering that he can be very effective without pinpoint control. He simply hasn't really been challenged yet and I don't expect that to happen until he gets the call to Cleveland. Don't forget they view him as an option right now and if someone goes down or gets dealt then he's the next man up.

I think most of us are just as high on him as you (other than SC say Cantillo is higher than Williams - as Bimbo just said Cantillo needs to adj to his body growth but in their ballpark of talent). But, there comes a time where you just don't turn over your roster 180 over night with 3-4 other trades to make room (not enough scouts to look over tapes on returns). I think Williams gets rostered by year-end (even though they need to save 1 or 2 prospects till next year to avoid Rule 5 issues but another argument). You also want to create a bit of room between these guys for contracts and FA issues down the road (but few months ain't big deal I guess). But, more importantly, you don't want 3 rookies in MLB withing 1 month as you don't know their consistency yet to go 6-7 innings consistently that we know Bieber, McK ( when back) and Civale(5-6 range) can ...

By next May (if not sooner), I see a roster of

SP(5) - McK, Bibee, Allen, Williams and ..... (choose 1 of 4 - Beiber, Quantrill, Plesac and Civale)
RP(8) - Clase, Stephan, Morris, Hentges, Karinchak (demoted role), Morgan, De La Santos and either Sandlin/Herrin/Battenfield (for length)
Catcher(2-3) - Naylor and either Zunino (resigned) or backup defensive catcher like Gallagher or Collins as a sleeper (DH possible)
Infield(5) - Ramirez, Gimenez, Freeman/Rochhio, Naylor (Collins can slide into 1st as well) (Question if Bell is around or opts out which he isn't right now)
OF(5) - Kwan, Straw, Valera, Oscar and Arias (filling in everywhere) - no Brennan????

Your 14 others (on roster)
Pitching(8) - Espino, Cantillo, Curry, Battenfield, Gaddis, Hankins, maybe -- Burns, Smith
Position(6) - Brennan (or Valera), Noel/Pries, Brito, Martinez, (maybe not Tena or Palacios but valuable for injuries)??? with Burgos and Frias maybe getting a slot

Just saying, there is a lot of moving pieces to get everyone in that deserves a spot ... but to trade even 3 of 4 of Beiber, Quant, Plesac and Civale plus Rosario plus others by July AINT going ot happen to get Williams up with Bibee and Allen at this point. Heck, Rocchio is hitting the snot out of the ball and Rosario hasn't been traded yet (think I heard 21 out of 22 games played he has had a hit). Yes, they did 14 rookies last year ... yet, they are going to slow down a bit (just IMO).
 
I think most of us are just as high on him as you (other than SC say Cantillo is higher than Williams - as Bimbo just said Cantillo needs to adj to his body growth but in their ballpark of talent). But, there comes a time where you just don't turn over your roster 180 over night with 3-4 other trades to make room (not enough scouts to look over tapes on returns). I think Williams gets rostered by year-end (even though they need to save 1 or 2 prospects till next year to avoid Rule 5 issues but another argument). You also want to create a bit of room between these guys for contracts and FA issues down the road (but few months ain't big deal I guess). But, more importantly, you don't want 3 rookies in MLB withing 1 month as you don't know their consistency yet to go 6-7 innings consistently that we know Bieber, McK ( when back) and Civale(5-6 range) can ...

By next May (if not sooner), I see a roster of

SP(5) - McK, Bibee, Allen, Williams and ..... (choose 1 of 4 - Beiber, Quantrill, Plesac and Civale)
RP(8) - Clase, Stephan, Morris, Hentges, Karinchak (demoted role), Morgan, De La Santos and either Sandlin/Herrin/Battenfield (for length)
Catcher(2-3) - Naylor and either Zunino (resigned) or backup defensive catcher like Gallagher or Collins as a sleeper (DH possible)
Infield(5) - Ramirez, Gimenez, Freeman/Rochhio, Naylor (Collins can slide into 1st as well) (Question if Bell is around or opts out which he isn't right now)
OF(5) - Kwan, Straw, Valera, Oscar and Arias (filling in everywhere) - no Brennan????

Your 14 others (on roster)
Pitching(8) - Espino, Cantillo, Curry, Battenfield, Gaddis, Hankins, maybe -- Burns, Smith
Position(6) - Brennan (or Valera), Noel/Pries, Brito, Martinez, (maybe not Tena or Palacios but valuable for injuries)??? with Burgos and Frias maybe getting a slot

Just saying, there is a lot of moving pieces to get everyone in that deserves a spot ... but to trade even 3 of 4 of Beiber, Quant, Plesac and Civale plus Rosario plus others by July AINT going ot happen to get Williams up with Bibee and Allen at this point. Heck, Rocchio is hitting the snot out of the ball and Rosario hasn't been traded yet (think I heard 21 out of 22 games played he has had a hit). Yes, they did 14 rookies last year ... yet, they are going to slow down a bit (just IMO).
I don't think they're going to slow down at all because they don't see this season as part of the actual window.

I can't say who is or isn't getting dealt, but I think those on the ML roster that need to go are pretty obvious. After that who knows? They might deal a couple of these prospects and keep Civale or Quantrill. They might do a combination of both. Whatever happens it's blatantly obvious that something needs to happen. There just aren't enough roster spots.

What I don't think they will do is put off getting guys like Williams, Cantillo or whoever else they deem as part of the WS contender experience ASAP. Now is the time to see what they can do, if they're ready of course.

1st step in building a WS champion is assembling a top pitching staff. The BP is pretty much there and the rotation is well on its way. The next step is assembling a dangerous lineup that can capitalize on the few mistakes that playoff staffs make. I think we've got some work to do in that area, but it's certainly going in the right direction and all the excess pitching can help fill in some gaps.
 
Don't look now, but there is another Tanner that is pitching really well too. He looks stronger and sturdier than ever before and the ball has good life coming out of his hand. If he remains healthy he might make some noise and a couple more starts like his first 3 and he'll be in Columbus.
 
Oh really? What ever happened to your certain number of starts/innings in Columbus? Why is Williams pitching in Columbus and Cantillo is still in Akron? I pretty much think you are FOS in regards to this topic. Do I need to post what Harris said again? I told you these kids were ready or damn near and they are. The same shit that happened last year is happening again and some of you need to wake up. This system is full of talent and it's ready for the pickin'. Promoting these extremely talented kids isn't going to be a detriment to this team. Just like last season it's going to make it better, so get the fuck out of the way Plesac, Civale, Rosario, and whoever else is a decent major league player/pitcher because the train is coming down the tracks. We're getting ready for a multi-year run baby.
yes.. again and again and again..

WOW !!>. I want to go out and sell some AMWAY STUFF !!..
 
Don't look now, but there is another Tanner that is pitching really well too. He looks stronger and sturdier than ever before and the ball has good life coming out of his hand. If he remains healthy he might make some noise and a couple more starts like his first 3 and he'll be in Columbus.
Ceiling as a BOR SP on a division two team.. for the Guardians..bulk reliever to high leverage if his command and velo continue to rise.. Nothing serious here.. just pretty darn good..
 
I think most of us are just as high on him as you (other than SC say Cantillo is higher than Williams - as Bimbo just said Cantillo needs to adj to his body growth but in their ballpark of talent). But, there comes a time where you just don't turn over your roster 180 over night with 3-4 other trades to make room (not enough scouts to look over tapes on returns). I think Williams gets rostered by year-end (even though they need to save 1 or 2 prospects till next year to avoid Rule 5 issues but another argument). You also want to create a bit of room between these guys for contracts and FA issues down the road (but few months ain't big deal I guess). But, more importantly, you don't want 3 rookies in MLB withing 1 month as you don't know their consistency yet to go 6-7 innings consistently that we know Bieber, McK ( when back) and Civale(5-6 range) can ...

By next May (if not sooner), I see a roster of

SP(5) - McK, Bibee, Allen, Williams and ..... (choose 1 of 4 - Beiber, Quantrill, Plesac and Civale)
RP(8) - Clase, Stephan, Morris, Hentges, Karinchak (demoted role), Morgan, De La Santos and either Sandlin/Herrin/Battenfield (for length)
Catcher(2-3) - Naylor and either Zunino (resigned) or backup defensive catcher like Gallagher or Collins as a sleeper (DH possible)
Infield(5) - Ramirez, Gimenez, Freeman/Rochhio, Naylor (Collins can slide into 1st as well) (Question if Bell is around or opts out which he isn't right now)
OF(5) - Kwan, Straw, Valera, Oscar and Arias (filling in everywhere) - no Brennan????

Your 14 others (on roster)
Pitching(8) - Espino, Cantillo, Curry, Battenfield, Gaddis, Hankins, maybe -- Burns, Smith
Position(6) - Brennan (or Valera), Noel/Pries, Brito, Martinez, (maybe not Tena or Palacios but valuable for injuries)??? with Burgos and Frias maybe getting a slot

Just saying, there is a lot of moving pieces to get everyone in that deserves a spot ... but to trade even 3 of 4 of Beiber, Quant, Plesac and Civale plus Rosario plus others by July AINT going ot happen to get Williams up with Bibee and Allen at this point. Heck, Rocchio is hitting the snot out of the ball and Rosario hasn't been traded yet (think I heard 21 out of 22 games played he has had a hit). Yes, they did 14 rookies last year ... yet, they are going to slow down a bit (just IMO).
the back up catcher may not be on the current roster.. or any roster that has Cleveland as the parent club...
 

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