MLB Lock-Out is Finally Freakin’ Over

[sportscoach]

before this blows up, take it to DMs.

No one cares about American History and how it relates to the Lockout.

@CATS44 as well

No, I actually had a legit meaning for it...

To be honest, I feel like this is going to end up something like writing the constitution in some ways... They all had different opinions, but badly needed to write it, so the main framework they will push to get done even though they aren't even close to getting it done...

First off, both sides know that they will essentially be shooting themselves in the foot if they lose games, but neither side really wants to compromise on things... Somehow I have a sense that they will find way to get the main framework done then add amendments later in the next few off seasons... Thats just a hunch and a comparison is all

 

[petes999]

That valuation is going to jump substantially in the next few years.

But yes, as far as cash flow is concerned, he is one of the poorest owners, and not just in baseball.

As I said above, we all do things for our best interest. Dolan buying back 10% of Sherman’s stake, at lets say $1 billion valuation, didn’t help the cash flow right before COVID. Nor does wanting to find an investor who is willing to buy in now for 15-20% .... only to wait a few year’s for this big increase to happen to buy out a larger part of Dolan’s majority share at a much higher price after Progressive makeover and new tv deals are in place and factored in. This is usually contrary to principal of investing (for next owner). Great for Dolan though.

This is reason I have been skeptical in other places of when Dolan can make the next few big player deals (that are not asking player to defer a large chunk). There is room for bigger payroll but how much? How much did Sherman buying 25-30% over the years help Dolan with cash flow during last WS run? When will Dolan sell the 10% he bought back from Sherman to bring in new cash for next deal to Jose or Bieber? Will new CBA hurt profit sharing in mlb? Lots of questions to be answered.

Sorry if wrong forum for this tangent....

 

[BimboColesHair]

As I said above, we all do things for our best interest. Dolan buying back 10% of Sherman’s stake, at lets say $1 billion valuation, didn’t help the cash flow right before COVID. Nor does wanting to find an investor who is willing to buy in now for 15-20% .... only to wait a few year’s for this big increase to happen to buy out a larger part of Dolan’s majority share at a much higher price after Progressive makeover and new tv deals are in place and factored in. This is usually contrary to principal of investing (for next owner). Great for Dolan though.

This is reason I have been skeptical in other places of when Dolan can make the next few big player deals (that are not asking player to defer a large chunk). There is room for bigger payroll but how much? How much did Sherman buying 25-30% over the years help Dolan with cash flow during last WS run? When will Dolan sell the 10% he bought back from Sherman to bring in new cash for next deal to Jose or Bieber? Will new CBA hurt profit sharing in mlb? Lots of questions to be answered.

Sorry if wrong forum for this tangent....

I am not talking about strictly baseball cash flow, talking non-baseball cash flow.

The baseball Dolan's are in a weird spot financially outside of the money the baseball team makes, and even then it's still strange with how that pot has to be split with their family trust.

Sherman and his wealth from selling multiple billion dollar companies he founded played just as big of a role as buying that minor share of the team. His personal wealth led to an instant injection of payroll he was willing to chip in, on top of what the Dolan's reinvested back in to the team for that couple year stretch. The Dolan's don't have that quick access personal wealth they can dig in to if they wanted to.

And I fully believe the CBA that comes out is going to reward teams heavier for spending. That is a want I don't see the MLBPA backing down on to the point that it is eliminated, and owners will 100% be willing if a worthwhile incentive is found. I don't think profit sharing is touched (it should actually grow with an expanded playoff) and all of a sudden certain markets will be getting big chucks of change from profit sharing + what I think will most likely be pooled taxed money.

We'll see though, far too early to treat anything as an absolute.

 

[CDAV45]

So you are saying he is a great guy if you can look past the fact he is a slum lord?

Outside of that, how was the play Mrs Lincoln?

Or better yet. Bill Cosby was a great guy, did allot for kids, furthering of perception toward African Americans, helped many young black actors.....really did allot of good if you just look past the fact he raped 50-100 women. But outside of that, solid guy.

Sometimes life is a good ol' square kick right to the sack. For instance, Bill Cosby was one of my idol's as a child and young adult. Hell, I named what turned out to be one of my favorite dogs after him. Knowing what I know now while looking back, it may have been a sign from God when that MFer got ran over right in front of the house.

Anyway, Lee you couldn't be more right. We are more defined by our inglorious actions despite our good deeds. The perception is that the Dolan's have ran a pretty successful organization with less than most due to the "market". Is it possible "the market", like those 50-100 women that Cosby raped got fucked in a different sense?

 

[jup]

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Some of these rep talks this past week have gone a long way hammering out each sides wanted parameters and are being treated as a blueprint for each side to go over during the holiday's.

Sounds like they are going to separate this week or early next week, take that info back to the leadership groups, go over it, take a break for Christmas and New Years and then we should see our first "official" meeting of the 2 groups 1st or 2nd week of January where I am sure there will be some proposals.

Yep, it is information gathering time with lower level people on specific topics. Not the formal negotiations the press writes about. Then the serious negotiations will begin. Clearly it is going to be after the holidays.

With that said, there is stuff going on even it the press wants to write the "sky is falling chicken little" story that the two sides aren't even meeting. That story gets more clicks and that is all the media is in it for. Self interest all the way around

 

[Lee]

Sometimes life is a good ol' square kick right to the sack. For instance, Bill Cosby was one of my idol's as a child and young adult. Hell, I named what turned out to be one of my favorite dogs after him. Knowing what I know now while looking back, it may have been a sign from God when that MFer got ran over right in front of the house.

Anyway, Lee you couldn't be more right. We are more defined by our inglorious actions despite our good deeds. The perception is that the Dolan's have ran a pretty successful organization with less than most due to the "market". Is it possible "the market", like those 50-100 women that Cosby raped got fucked in a different sense?

I dont know the Dolans, and I know the Indians are well run by some very smart baseball people. Now the Dolan's leave the Indians alone, so they have nothing to do with the Indian's success but really dumb luck and smart enough to know what they dont know. But they run the Indians like a business, and lack of fans and a horrible TV contract means low payroll despite being one of the richest owners in MLB and worth 5 billion.

Honestly there is a couple of ways to look at it. Maybe Cleveland doesnt deserve a better team because of lack of support, but maybe the Dolan's dont deserve a team because of lack of support. Maybe both is true, maybe neither. Fact is they bought the franchise for 250 million in 2000. The value of the Indians is now 1.2 Billion. I always thought owning a sports team was about the long play, thus you might lose money some in a year, but over the long haul you make allot.

I never thought spending 300 mill on frankie was worth it, but I would like to see them get aggressive in free agency to not waste this pitching staff. Short term deals. The year isnt over and all the pre lock out deals were long term and can be hand cuffing so that is smart to stay out of.

We will see, I am not really sure what to think. Many of you know a ton more about baseball, yourself included @CDAV45. Just giving my 2 cents about the Dolans, they seem to be a blessing and a curse all at the same time.

 

[BimboColesHair]

I dont know the Dolans, and I know the Indians are well run by some very smart baseball people. Now the Dolan's leave the Indians alone, so they have nothing to do with the Indian's success but really dumb luck and smart enough to know what they dont know. But they run the Indians like a business, and lack of fans and a horrible TV contract means low payroll despite being one of the richest owners in MLB and worth 5 billion.

Honestly there is a couple of ways to look at it. Maybe Cleveland doesnt deserve a better team because of lack of support, but maybe the Dolan's dont deserve a team because of lack of support. Maybe both is true, maybe neither. Fact is they bought the franchise for 250 million in 2000. The value of the Indians is now 1.2 Billion. I always thought owning a sports team was about the long play, thus you might lose money some in a year, but over the long haul you make allot.

I never thought spending 300 mill on frankie was worth it, but I would like to see them get aggressive in free agency to not waste this pitching staff. Short term deals. The year isnt over and all the pre lock out deals were long term and can be hand cuffing so that is smart to stay out of.

We will see, I am not really sure what to think. Many of you know a ton more about baseball, yourself included @CDAV45. Just giving my 2 cents about the Dolans, they seem to be a blessing and a curse all at the same time.

That bolded part just is not true, at all, Lee.

The basketball Dolan’s (Billon dollar TV conglomerate Dolan’s) make up most of that 5 billion figure.

 

[Lee]

That bolded part just is not true, at all, Lee.

The basketball Dolan’s (Billon dollar TV conglomerate Dolan’s) make up most of that 5 billion figure.

I read that from an article, i know the basketball Dolans are their cousins, and you know more than me. When does our TV expire again? When is the upgrades scheduled to be done?

 

[BimboColesHair]

I read that from an article, i know the basketball Dolans are their cousins, and you know more than me. When does our TV expire again? When is the upgrades scheduled to be done?

Our Dolan’s were lawyers (had to bring that up with you involved), far from the founders of multiple billon dollar TV broadcasting companies, one of which was sold for 16 billion. Rich, but not stupid mega rich where they have more money than they can spend in a lifetime.

5 year extension kicked in, so it expires in 2027.

Stadium upgrades who knows. I am sure part of the agreement with the city and state, since they are getting funding from each, has a section that goes over when they are expected to be completed by over the lease period. I just haven’t seen any info on that.

 

[CDAV45]

The Guardians owner is actually a pretty good owner since he allows baseball people to run the team. His only problem is, he gives these guys an Aldi's food budget and they have to make due with it and honestly they have... in the last decade, only what, one team has more overall wins?

It may be hard to pick it up in our conversation Coach, but Lee and I are being facetious. I think we both appreciate the Dolans and how they allow CA and MC run the organization.

 

[Lee]

It may be hard to pick it up in our conversation Coach, but Lee and I are being facetious. I think we both appreciate the Dolans and how they allow CA and MC run the organization.

I am learning from people that know more about the Dolans than I do that their money comes from a trust...the Knicks Dolans also have money in that trust, and most of the money in that trust is the Knick's Dolans.

The biggest issue with the Guardian's Dolans is they dont have a ton of cash available, thus they buy and sell shares as they need too. Obviously the value of the team has gone way up, but until we sell more tickets and/or redo the horrible TV contract, the Doloans will have cash flow issues.

But honestly i didnt know it was this bad until i did a deep dive into it with the help of some of you. So i wasnt being as facetious as you, i was more on the ignorant side of things.

 

[BimboColesHair]

I am learning from people that know more about the Dolans than I do that their money comes from a trust...the Knicks Dolans also have money in that trust, and most of the money in that trust is the Knick's Dolans.

The biggest issue with the Guardian's Dolans is they dont have a ton of cash available, thus they buy and sell shares as they need too. Obviously the value of the team has gone way up, but until we sell more tickets and/or redo the horrible TV contract, the Doloans will have cash flow issues.

But honestly i didnt know it was this bad until i did a deep dive into it with the help of some of you. So i wasnt being as facetious as you, i was more on the ignorant side of things.

The public TV revenue numbers are a sham, there’s a reason they locked in 5 more years of it hahaha.

 

[PIP]

Has nothing to do with the lockout but pretty cool

 

[Cratylus]

After all, they are all capitalists.

But capitalism is, and always will be, financial anarchy. The basic premise of capitalism is to make the most money for the smallest investment and to bury as much of the competition as possible. There is zero altruism in capitalism. And without a sense of altruism, in which all concerned make sacrifices for the common good, no mutual combine can move forward.

 

[The Oi]

Has nothing to do with the lockout but pretty cool

That dumbass stance.