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NBA FINALS 2023: Miami Heat vs Denver Nuggets

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MirORich said:
Mavs was 2011 Finals but we’re on the same page about that.

But his stinkers(or even just average games), even before he reached his true prime(2011-200 imo) were still so few and far between. And even Jordan had some games like that.the average stats will often have 1-2, sometimes 3 bad shooting games in a 7 game series.

Ti be the best of the best you need that consistent almost every game excellence that Jordan, LeBron, and a few others had
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Thats why Joker separates himself. Guy has had pretty much 0 stinkers this entire post season
 
inliner311 said:
Strus does box out Horford. I think someone else was suppose to come pick up White and it all got mixed up. It's basically why you don't do something weird on a set play like that to end the game, if guys aren't use to doing something, they are going to mess up in the heat of the moment.

Also if you are going to put someone under the basket, I'm not sure why they didn't opt for a big.
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I don’t think they ever imagined Botson getting up a shot that quick and having to even worry about boxing out. Wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t even discuss it given time and situation.

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The difference in Miami winning that series was basically the ball bouncing 6 inches higher off the initial miss or Smart needing an extra half step to get the shot off. Given the ball left White’s hand at .1 sec, there wouldn’t have been enough time if either had happened.
 
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HammerGold said:
LeBron had some stinkers against Boston in 2009. He was pretty bad overall against the Mavs in the 2010 Finals
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Every player in the history of the league has had bad games in big moments. You can poke holes in everyone’s performances. Jordan has been swept and struggled for years to get out of the first round. He isn’t this invincible God of basketball like the media pretends he is.

But you know what LeBron has never done? Blow a 3-0 series lead.

I love Jimmy, but if they lose he has to take this on the chin, sadly.. And he’s a good dude, but this deserves some flack. Let’s hope he gets it right though and they win and it doesn’t come to that.
 
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Let’s not leave Wilt The Stilt off the list of great post season performers. I don’t care what era it was. This guy averaged 20 and 20 for his career in the post season. In his career, not just one run.

One post season he had a run of 21 points nearly (okay not nearly - let's say nearly out of respect though for the Big Dipper!) 30 rebounds and 9 assists. No one else was doing this. That’s just crazy. It’s not a triple double like Jokic, but is that not a crazy stat line.

This common myth exists, since Wilt put up numbers that are hard to explain, for those that didn't watch, is he did it against plumbers, and guys that aren't built like today's game. Actually, the average height of centers then were 6'10.

If you think Bill Russell was at least worthy of the hall of fame, Wilt averaged 28 boards a game against him in his career. Russell 14 against Wilt. Think about that drop off. That's massive. If today, a big man gets out rebound by 14 boards, we'd be calling for their head.

The only part of the game, that I believe that has never changed in the history of the sport, that is critical is the ability to rebound. It changes components of the game. Completely. Eliminating teams to one shot, and enabling your team extra possessions always has, and always will be pivotal in basketball.

It took how many years to finally break his triple double mark in a post season. Wilt was a beast.
 
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godfather said:
Let’s not leave Wilt The Stilt off the list of great post season performers. I don’t care what era it was. This guy averaged 20 and 20 for his career in the post season. In his career, not just one run.

One post season he had a run of 21 points nearly (okay not nearly - let's say nearly out of respect though for the Big Dipper!) 30 rebounds and 9 assists. No one else was doing this. That’s just crazy. It’s not a triple double like Jokic, but is that not a crazy stat line.

This common myth exists, since Wilt put up numbers that are hard to explain, for those that didn't watch, is he did it against plumbers, and guys that aren't built like today's game. Actually, the average height of centers then were 6'10.

If you think Bill Russell was at least worthy of the hall of fame, Wilt averaged 28 boards a game against him in his career. Russell 14 against Wilt. Think about that drop off. That's massive. If today, a big man gets out rebound by 14 boards, we'd be calling for their head.

The only part of the game, that I believe that has never changed in the history of the sport, that is critical is the ability to rebound. It changes components of the game. Completely. Eliminating teams to one shot, and enabling your team extra possessions always has, and always will be pivotal in basketball.

It took how many years to finally break his triple double mark in a post season. Wilt was a beast.
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I think Wilt’s numbers were insane, but players DID miss a lot more shots back then.
 
MirORich said:
It’s why LeBron is/was so great.

With the exception of maybe one time(the 2011 Finals) you could count on him to do his thing every game. Maybe not a historic game every game but an up to par game.

He didn’t have series with 3-4 good/great games and 2-3 bad games.

That’s not a knock on Jimmy Butler but it’s what separates stars/kinda superstars from generational players. Consistent, almost uninterrupted excellence that you could count on 95% of the time.
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The mothefuck he didn't.

Go take a gander at those games against Boston in 2008.

Game 1 was a sexy 2-18.

Game 2 was 6-24.

Game 3 was 5-16.

Game 4 was 7-20.


He shot 35% for the series.

And this wasn't young, unproven LeBron. This was the year AFTER making the Fibals.
 
Tlyons said:
That would be the "almost uninterrupted" part of his post.
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Except when I can say:

2007 Finals,

2008 Boston

2010 Boston

2011 Mavs.

I mean...lol.

Kinda destroys the idea that this basically never happened to LeBron.
 
The series is definitely not over but it's gonna be hard to get Miami believing again after that loss.


Boston has last five games this postseason in Boston though.


Miami is gonna need big shooting games out of Strus and Vincent though.
 
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