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NBA FINALS 2023: Miami Heat vs Denver Nuggets
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What did pop say and who is pop
it doesn’t destroy anything, at all. Lebron became incredibly consistent but as is well known he had growing pains like all NBA stars do. Lebron in 2008 was the same age as Darius Garland was this season but you say he wasn’t “young”. SMH
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You aren't following the conversation so just stay out of it brother.
The post claimed LeBron never had bad games like Butler just had save for a random game here and there like "Dallas in 2011."
"With the exception of maybe one time in 2011" was the quote.
And no, that wasn't the exception. There others. Multiple others.
He had a terrible, awful series against Boston in 2008. Not just an awful game. But an awful series.
The Cavs win that series if LeBron was just mediocre instead of putrid. They win game 1 specifically. I remember it. They were up on Boston by 10 in the third and this dude couldn't throw it in the ocean. Looked just like the Finals the year prior.
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And the number of bad games he had in his playoff career is still way way less than just about any other star.
And not young LeBron? Pardon? That was 5th year LeBron, a whopping 23 at the time.
Even counting his young year/x he is still one of the most if not the most consistent deliverer of excellence and what you expect with him. Wheeee as a ton of stars have 1-3 lemons per serried for just about every series they’ve every played in, not a cherry picked bad series from their early years
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If I I need to reframe my argument/point, I’m happy to.
The intended gist of things is this:
Relative to his peers and near every star in history, LeBron has one of the highest delivery rates of games up to his normal standard or far exceeding his normal standard and and has delivered one of it not the smallest percentage of duds. Especially in his prime. As a fan, teammate, and coach. You could count on prime LeBron almsot always, whwreas a lot of really talented stars and peers could only deliver up to or exceed their standard about 50-70% in playoff games.
Would you call that reframed point into question?
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This is 100% true. I’ve seen arguments like “look at the clock above the basket”, and when you do that, at 3.0 seconds Jimmy’s two feet are still planted on the ground.
So it was one of two options: 1) the foul occurred at 3.0 seconds, which would NOT have been a shooting foul. Leading to two shots instead of 3. Or 2) the foul occurred in the 2.8-2.6 range, giving 3 shots to Jimmy.
Instead, the refs combined the two and gave 3 shots with 3.0 seconds left.
Celtics fans are also saying “they ignored the double dribble” so it shouldn’t matter. As if double dribbles are a reviewable play with the time given to make the call right, like a foul call at the end of a game
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The Boston series by LeBron was bad. Really bad.
The Dallas finals was the worst thing that ever happen to LeBron in his career.
He was third, in scoring on his own team. And he played like shit, averaged just 17 a game.
That's a joke for someone his caliber. You can excuse bad games, even a bad series (every star has them).
But what you can't excuse is being extremely passive, which LeBron was that series.
Every player that has a long post-season history, has some really ugly moments, in large.
I can pick apart times Jordan was chucking and losing too.
But what makes guys like Jordan and LeBron special, when they turn that corner. I don't think either player had a bad series after.
After the Mavs finals, I don't think LeBron played bad ever again in a series. Maybe not dominant awesome in all of them.
The Dallas finals was the worst thing that ever happen to LeBron in his career.
He was third, in scoring on his own team. And he played like shit, averaged just 17 a game.
That's a joke for someone his caliber. You can excuse bad games, even a bad series (every star has them).
But what you can't excuse is being extremely passive, which LeBron was that series.
Every player that has a long post-season history, has some really ugly moments, in large.
I can pick apart times Jordan was chucking and losing too.
But what makes guys like Jordan and LeBron special, when they turn that corner. I don't think either player had a bad series after.
After the Mavs finals, I don't think LeBron played bad ever again in a series. Maybe not dominant awesome in all of them.
I see your point but I feel like it's a a bit of an oversimplification. Basically what happened with young Lebron is that he had spectacular abilities along with holes in his game typical of a young player (like his jump shot as you point out). His effort and abilities pushed him far enough in the playoffs each year that he would encounter a squad with the talents and experience to show up the holes in his game. By 2011 the main remaining hole in his game was mental and that was the last one he needed to address. He's been very consistent in executing on what he was actually capable of doing at each stage in his career. I fault him most for 2010/2011 because there, especially 2011, it was mental.
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Derrick White reminds me so much of peak basketball Delonte West
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The Dallas series was a turning point.
But I remember the exact moment my Fandom for LeBron took a turn was after the Boston series when he made the "I need help" comment.
He had that awesome game 7.
But I remember thinking "where the fuck were you in games 1-6?" To then make that comment??? After THAT series?
Edit: I will take to my grave the Cavs win the Finals if they beat the Celtics. They almost assuredly beat the Pistons again to get there.
They just needed to score 79 points in game 1.
5-18 instead of 2-18 from LeBron gets it done.
That one sticks with me more than 2010 because I suspect Orlando beats them again anyway.
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