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Ochai Agbaji: 70 days a Cavalier

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How is Ochai going to do?

  • He's an all-star SG

    Votes: 8 5.4%
  • A quality starter for years with a solid skill set

    Votes: 36 24.5%
  • That 3 & D guy in the rotation that every team values

    Votes: 69 46.9%
  • Hangs around the league for a while but is on min salary in 4 years

    Votes: 23 15.6%
  • Has a few good games, but never earns his rookie salary

    Votes: 4 2.7%
  • Total bust

    Votes: 7 4.8%

  • Total voters
    147
  • Poll closed .
If you actually think you are a playoff team (I still see us as a 7-10 seed) you swing for the fences. Instead Koby takes a guy with a profile you can find in the 20s and 30s every year. Just a very bad choice. The board collapsed at 11/12, so at that point you take Branham or Eason. You don’t take a 30 year old who does one thing well.

Sad day for Cavs fans
 
If you actually think you are a playoff team (I still see us as a 7-10 seed) you swing for the fences. Instead Koby takes a guy with a profile you can find in the 20s and 30s every year. Just a very bad choice. The board collapsed at 11/12, so at that point you take Branham or Eason. You don’t take a 30 year old who does one thing well.

Sad day for Cavs fans
Are you trolling at this point or just operating on no sleep?
 
I think he fits well. They needed spacing badly, and he can shoot from any body position. His athleticism allowed him to correct his positioning in the air. That is pretty cool.

Watching his tape, guys are out there to guard him and it does look like his first step on a closeout is great. People are underrating him there. He's not a creator for others off the dribble, but he can get to the hole and will take contact.

His first step on a cut looks elite. He's to the rim in a flash.

I'm coming around a bit. This guy was a project and the project worked and he showed he can improve a lot. That's actually a good indicator he can improve more.

I've also been convincing myself that when the Cavs were hitting 3s, they were basically unstoppable, and the spacing fell off at the end of the year because of no backup point to help Cedi and Love. If this solidifies the spacing, the team can really do some damage IMO
 
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I think the Cavs did such a weird job on the second round that it makes me like this pick more, since he appears to be the only potential real piece. Not sure what to think about him really. Hope the shooting translates and athleticism
 
If you actually think you are a playoff team (I still see us as a 7-10 seed) you swing for the fences. Instead Koby takes a guy with a profile you can find in the 20s and 30s every year. Just a very bad choice. The board collapsed at 11/12, so at that point you take Branham or Eason. You don’t take a 30 year old who does one thing well.

Sad day for Cavs fans
Branham would not have been swinging for the fences. He’s slow, can’t beat college bigs off the dribble, is low volume from 3, and likely will only be an average defender in the NBA. There’s a reason he fell to 20.

I like Eason but Eason has a ton pf question marks. He’ll come in and be very good defensively but on offense, I’m not sure he’ll fit well in a system. Eason is a guy that you just have to let do his thing. The Cavs may not have been comfortable with that.
 
Branham would not have been swinging for the fences. He’s slow, can’t beat college bigs off the dribble, is low volume from 3, and likely will only be an average defender in the NBA. There’s a reason he fell to 20.

I like Eason but Eason has a ton pf question marks. He’ll come in and be very good defensively but on offense, I’m not sure he’ll fit well in a system. Eason is a guy that you just have to let do his thing. The Cavs may not have been comfortable with that.

The other thing I think is that, the Cavs were in on a guy like Williams who has the ball in his hands, but can space as a shooter and also be a playmaker. But a guy like Branham who needs the ball, but isn't a playmaker wasn't going to work. Even Eason had like 30% usage on his team. He had the ball A LOT.
 
Sam Vecenie via The Athletic:

19. Ochai Agbaji
W | Kansas | DOB: April 20, 2000 (Age: 22) | 6-5 | 210 LBS | Hometown: Kansas City, Mo.

STRENGTHS


Growth trajectory has been remarkably impressive. Was not high on the recruiting radar, outside of the top-300 players
nationally. Got a Kansas offer and accepted it. Immediately clear he was a legitimate long-term prospect. Had a solid freshman
year as a rotation player and emerged as a starter and borderline All-Big 12 player as a sophomore and junior. Truly broke out,
though, as a senior due to his shooting consistency improvement. Was the Big 12 Player of the Year and a consensus first-team
All-American. He led Kansas to a national championship as its leading scorer, winning the Final Four Most Outstanding
Player award.

Good size and length for the wing position. He’s 6-foot-5 with a 6-foot-10 wingspan and nearly an 8-foot-8 standing reach.
He has terrific athleticism. Extremely explosive off two feet as a leaper. Very strong. Has a great frame that allows him to play
through contact. Great in an open court. Runs the court well. Good quickness for his size and strength.
Terrific 3-and-D prospect. Extremely reliable off the catch as a shooter. Shot prep is terrific, particularly off spot-ups. His
numbers off the catch were absurd. Per Synergy, Agbaji hit 45.2 percent of his catch-and-shoot 3-point attempts this past season,
a number on par with some of the best you’ll find in a pre-draft prospect. Footwork and shot prep are the same every time. Great
rhythm and gets it off quick. Release point is the same.
A smart off-ball player. Moves well and relocates to find open shots. Hits them off movement with baseline and pindown screens.
Think he’s best off flare actions. Finds them in transition by going to corners. Kansas also started running dribble-handoff sets —
a la the Miami Heat — to try to get open looks for him to shoot behind off the exchange. It’s all pristine and reliable. Hit 26 of his
54 corner 3-point attempts. Will be very reliable as a spot-up player there. Also hit 40 percent of his 38 catch-and-shoot 3-point
attempts from beyond 25 feet, per Synergy, meaning he has legitimate NBA range already. This is as projectable a skill as exists
in this draft.

Kansas used that threat of Agbaji’s jumper to find open looks for him as a cutter. Monster leaper and vertical athlete. Bill Self
is one of the best out-of-bounds play coaches in the country, and Agbaji was utilized very well coming off screen actions to
create open dunks. In the half court, Self would draw up designed plays off back-cut lobs. Agbaji also is a smart, instinctive
player. If a guy is too close to him or loses track and allows Agbaji to get behind him in the corners, he immediately back cuts
and is available for an open dunk. Because so many of his attempts at the rim were assisted lobs, he shot an impressive 71.3
percent at the basket this past season. That was top 25 nationally among the nearly 400 players who took at least 100 such
shots, per Synergy.

I also like Agbaji defensively. Think he will excel in a switching scheme, which is what Kansas ran. Can be solid in a drop and
does an OK job of getting through screens. But he’s very good on the ball when he’s locked on an island with someone. Stays
in front and uses his strength through his chest to cut off angles and force guys to retreat or take a contested shot. Very good
at sliding and moving laterally. Doesn’t disrupt in terms of getting into passing lanes often but is fairly annoying with his
hand work on the ball. Uses his length and hands well to cut off passing vision in front of guys’ faces and to contest. Doesn’t
separate well.

WEAKNESSES


It’s all about Agbaji’s relative limitations with the ball. He got much better this past season being able to handle and not turn it
over. No longer a liability when he puts it on the deck unless he’s trying to do something particularly complex (something he
was tasked with at Kansas a bit more often than you’d like). Can make some things happen in transition. But he’s not particularly
threatening because he doesn’t have a ton of shake or change of pace. Seems to always be going full speed. Plays very square.
In the half court, he struggles to separate from his man. Don’t see him having a ton of on-ball value at this point. Would need to
add an awful lot to be a shot creator for himself.

Extremely poor pull-up shooter for how good he is off the catch. Because he doesn’t look wildly comfortable off the bounce, I
think that permeates his game as a pull-up shooter. Don’t think he’s nearly as balanced. His footwork and shot prep getting into
the shot can get a bit wonky. Don’t think he’s as good at generating power on his pull-up attempts, generally leaving them short.
Don’t even love him as a one-dribble relocation 3-point shooter. In total, made 26.7 percent of his pull-up jumper attempts in the
half court, per Synergy. That was one of the worst marks among high-volume pull-up guys in the country. Finished 218th out of
229 players to take at least 100 pull-up attempts this past season.
The real question: What happens once he gets inside the 3-point line? Had one of the worst floaters in the country this past year,
making 17.4 percent of his 23 attempts, per Synergy. Didn’t love his footwork into them. Made under 30 percent of his midrange
jumpers too. And despite being a phenomenal finisher and lob catcher, I don’t think he’s all that functional as a finisher when
driving. Throws up some wild ones. Tries to load up off two feet but doesn’t get the same elevation as when he jumps without the
ball on lob plays. Needs to work on his one-footed attempts and the footwork there because his load leaping two-foot attempts
are poor.

On top of that, Agbaji is very poor as a passer. He got better at seeing the available reads as a senior, but he can’t throw them
because his control over the ball doesn’t seem to be that strong. Not a live-dribble guy. Rarely seems to throw the ball into the
shooting pocket. Can get particularly wild and turn it over. The good news was he started exploring his passing reads a bit
more than we’d seen previously, which you do like to see. The bad news is that the results were poor. Maybe some room for
development if he can get some control over the ball on his handle. But there are real worries that teams will be able to close
out hard on him then scramble and recover on offense.

SUMMARY

Agbaji is a fascinating prospect, one who genuinely took a great leap this year by getting great at his best skills. He has a case
as the best shooter off the catch in this draft. His numbers are terrific out of spot-ups, he has NBA range, and all the indicators
in terms of his shooting from 3 are strong when he’s set. But how often will he get a chance to do that in the NBA? Agbaji’s
long-term ceiling all comes down to him being able to add something inside the 3-point line. He has to be able to counter heavy
closeouts with the ball; otherwise, the rest of his game falls apart a bit on offense. Whether it’s as a passer, as a finisher or as a
relocation pull-up shooter, Agbaji needs to be able to make something happen. The good news? The combination of 3-point
spacing off the catch and his quite-good on-ball defense at least gives him a reasonable floor of being a reliable rotational wing.
But he needs to grow to exceed that and be a starter.
 
John Hollinger via The Athletic:

34. Ochai Agbaji | 6-5 senior | SG | Kansas

The defining case of this year’s shooting guard crop: A really, really good college player who doesn’t offer a lot of excitement for how his game might translate up. At the most basic level, he’s a 6-5 guard who can shoot 3s and won’t beat himself, so getting to back-end-rotation-caliber usefulness wouldn’t be shocking. Anything beyond that would be gravy; there’s just not a lot in his profile that hints at that caliber of player.

In particular, the “indicator” stats of rebounds, assists and steals are all worryingly low for a guard, especially a senior. Despite a 6-10 wingspan, it was hard to find evidence of its use on the floor.

Agbaji can shoot, hitting 40.7 percent of his 3s in 2021-22 on high volume, but don’t get carried away: He’s also a 71.4 percent career foul shooter. As a creator off the dribble, I don’t see much, although he was able to get to pull-ups fairly effectively.

On defense, it’s a similar story. He’s not impactfully as far as getting hands on balls or flying out at shooters on shot contests, and he’s not capable of true ball pressure. However, he’s a good feet-slider who works hard to keep dribblers in front of him and plays angles and scouting reports; it was notable in the tape that he’d crowd some players much tighter than others based on their ability.

Overall, he’s a classic “won’t kill us” guy. But I’m not sure there’s much upside either.
 
Everyone read that Vecenie breakdown and those weaknesses.

Those percentages on pull-ups and floaters are a big cause for concern that his catch and shoot numbers were a mirage. That's such a drastic difference....

Not ideal.
 
Branham would not have been swinging for the fences. He’s slow, can’t beat college bigs off the dribble, is low volume from 3, and likely will only be an average defender in the NBA. There’s a reason he fell to 20.

I like Eason but Eason has a ton pf question marks. He’ll come in and be very good defensively but on offense, I’m not sure he’ll fit well in a system. Eason is a guy that you just have to let do his thing. The Cavs may not have been comfortable with that.
where u getting ur scouting report?? it wasn't the Kings that took him it was the Spurs.

a wing with size who can genuinely create at a high level. He was taking over games by the end of the season. He's got offense for days and was a top 16 prospect. That kind of expectation-exceeding season is super impressive and he could be a steal for a team that often finds them.
 

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