OSU's Self-imposed Sanctions

[Hurl Bruce]

Only 2 schools ever received any sort of bowl ban from these types of sanctions. This is out of 29 instances. There's almost no way that happens.

 

[SanduskyCav]

I'm sure not. But they gave themselves a little slap and expect the NCAA to accept it. That's ludicrous. OSU has handled this from the beginning like they have no clue as to what they are doing. They still don't know. They could have done something like took away a few scholarships to make it look a tad bit better. What they gave themselves is and will be laughable. Unless they already have some kind of deal worked out with the NCAA anyway.

What do you mean a little slap? A slap with respect to what? What else has been proven besides players trading memorabilia for tattoos and a coach covering it up and possibly Pryor accepting cash for autographs? Tressel who was one of the top coaches in the nation was basically forced into resignation and they player that much of this revolved around is gone along with all wins from the previous year. The university itself was not aware of what was going on and that has already been made clear. Is the university really to blame for Tressel's fuck up? Maybe he should have notified the school much earlier. As soon as OSU found out what was going on they reported it to the NCAA and have cooperated 100% throughout this entire process. It seems to me that OSU has done everything it could to try to right the situation and fix this mess that they were not even aware existed.

 

[JayDub]

Tress taking The Dark Knight-esque fall here for the program, imo. Seriously, I feel like Gene, Gee and Tress got together watched TDK and thought, damn Jim, you could pull that off for Buckeye nation and went with it.

 

[calleger]

Tress taking The Dark Knight-esque fall here for the program, imo. Seriously, I feel like Gene, Gee and Tress got together watched TDK and thought, damn Jim, you could pull that off for Buckeye nation and went with it.

Let's not forget he is getting compensated by the University for his co-operation in taking the fall.

 

[DougHeil]

What do you mean a little slap? A slap with respect to what? What else has been proven besides players trading memorabilia for tattoos and a coach covering it up and possibly Pryor accepting cash for autographs? Tressel who was one of the top coaches in the nation was basically forced into resignation and they player that much of this revolved around is gone along with all wins from the previous year. The university itself was not aware of what was going on and that has already been made clear. Is the university really to blame for Tressel's fuck up? Maybe he should have notified the school much earlier. As soon as OSU found out what was going on they reported it to the NCAA and have cooperated 100% throughout this entire process. It seems to me that OSU has done everything it could to try to right the situation and fix this mess that they were not even aware existed.

You coudn't have possibly watched all the pressers and what was said and at what time or when, etc. If you did, you wouldn't be defending the actions of OSU like this. It's pathetic. And now to think they can get away with a little bit of punishment like this? Ridiculous.

I've got thousands of acres of land to sell you if you believe for one second that NO ONE employed by THE University had absolutely zero knowledge of ANY football players doing wrong, other than Jim Tressel. Just to think about that for even one second, you begin to realize it just isn't believable. And then to throw Tressel under the bus like they have now after backing him and supporting him throughout this entire ordeal is even more reason to be suspicious of THE Ohio State University.

geezee.

 

[mfanous]

Also, does anyone really believe this stuff OSU is now doing like forfeiting all wins last year along with the bowl game is going to sway the NCAA at all? I don't know how it could. Who the fuck cares if the records show 0-12 or whatever for last year? I know I don't. Everyone will always know what the scoop is for this past year so OSU making like they are giving something away in order to soften any blows come August is really a pathetic attempt by OSU at best. Heck, if it were up to me and I was one who had a part in decisions at the NCAA, I'd be more apt to lower the boom even more because of the way OSU has acted and is acting with this entire issue. OSU has now become a total embarrassment in my mind.

All upper bosses with the entire program need to be fired starting with Gee and Smith. I'm tired of the crap. Besides, I use to like Mr. Magoo as a kid. I didn't think I'd be watching him all the way through my adult years as well as the guy who presided over one of the top college football programs in the country. Get rid of him please.

It pisses me off when people say Gordon Gee needs to be fired. You do realize that his job involves way more than watching over the football program. He's done a ton of good for Ohio State, is loved by everyone on campus, and was rated the #1 college president by Time magazine a few years ago. He should not be fired for a bad joke at the press conference...

 

[DougHeil]

It pisses me off when people say Gordon Gee needs to be fired. You do realize that his job involves way more than watching over the football program. He's done a ton of good for Ohio State, is loved by everyone on campus, and was rated the #1 college president by Time magazine a few years ago. He should not be fired for a bad joke at the press conference...

A bad joke? That is hardly the reason he needs fired. He's an arrogant jerk for one thing. He's annoying. He's Mr. Magoo of the present. I thought Mr. Magoo was my past only. Not so. He's the damn boss of THE Ohio State University, right? Isn't he responsible for the totally pathetic ways OSU handled this thing from the beginning? How can you say he isn't responsible? Who else is? OSU needs to clean house. I'm almost to the point of turning in my 40 year FAN-dom certificate. Unless OSU gets rid of these embarrassments over the past year, I just might do that. Gee has been an embarrassment.

 

[Wulfgar1224]

A bad joke? That is hardly the reason he needs fired. He's an arrogant jerk for one thing. He's annoying. He's Mr. Magoo of the present. I thought Mr. Magoo was my past only. Not so. He's the damn boss of THE Ohio State University, right? Isn't he responsible for the totally pathetic ways OSU handled this thing from the beginning? How can you say he isn't responsible? Who else is? OSU needs to clean house. I'm almost to the point of turning in my 40 year FAN-dom certificate. Unless OSU gets rid of these embarrassments over the past year, I just might do that. Gee has been an embarrassment.

There's quite a bit of ranting there. But, as usual, you offer few specifics or insight on the matter. BTW, you don't honestly expect anyone to think you are a true OSU fan do you?

 

[Lee]

I'm curious as to why. A lot of the pundits feel that same way as well. Everyone is just spitting out give them the USC punishment but no one ever specifies why. The two cases really aren't that closely related.

I used the word benchmark, meaning it should be noted what USC got and base the punishment for OSU off of that. I dont mean it should be quite as harsh. I do think they will end up getting a bowl ban though. Why a one season bowl ban? Because Tressell knew before the season that 5 players including arguably his best 2 players should not have been eligible. Yes Tressell is gone, but someone needs to be punished. Now since last season happened and the players got to play in a bowl, the only fair thing in the NCAA's mind is to kill one season of OSU football.

Just saying what I think will happen. Now do I think this is fair? Hard to say to be honest. I am just as appalled at the NCAA as I am at OSU fans in denial. The NCAA is so hypocritical on this issue. When faced with a BCS bowl not having star players and upsetting a major sponsor, the NCAA decided to let the players play in the bowl game and most likely suspend the players for an extra game or two the next season. If the NCAA actually believed what they preached, all 5 players would have been suspended for the bowl game and the first 2 or 3 games this season. Period. No letting players play in a bowl because of money.

Thats the most infuriating thing. The kids sold some items for about $1500 or so and some tats. The coach that covered it up so his players could play for the season made over 3 million that year alone, and the NCAA who hands down the penalties allowed the players to play instead of upsetting a sponsor who gives 20 million + in advertising for NCAA football games.

In the end, OSU did the crime, so they will do the time, but for those who think i dont get the hypocrisy of the NCAA are wrong. I get it, but I still feel OSU will lose a bowl game. Justified? Thats debatable.

 

[AZ_]

I used the word benchmark, meaning it should be noted what USC got and base the punishment for OSU off of that. I dont mean it should be quite as harsh. I do think they will end up getting a bowl ban though. Why a one season bowl ban? Because Tressell knew before the season that 5 players including arguably his best 2 players should not have been eligible. Yes Tressell is gone, but someone needs to be punished. Now since last season happened and the players got to play in a bowl, the only fair thing in the NCAA's mind is to kill one season of OSU football.

Just saying what I think will happen. Now do I think this is fair? Hard to say to be honest. I am just as appalled at the NCAA as I am at OSU fans in denial. The NCAA is so hypocritical on this issue. When faced with a BCS bowl not having star players and upsetting a major sponsor, the NCAA decided to let the players play in the bowl game and most likely suspend the players for an extra game or two the next season. If the NCAA actually believed what they preached, all 5 players would have been suspended for the bowl game and the first 2 or 3 games this season. Period. No letting players play in a bowl because of money.

Thats the most infuriating thing. The kids sold some items for about $1500 or so and some tats. The coach that covered it up so his players could play for the season made over 3 million that year alone, and the NCAA who hands down the penalties allowed the players to play instead of upsetting a sponsor who gives 20 million + in advertising for NCAA football games.

In the end, OSU did the crime, so they will do the time, but for those who think i dont get the hypocrisy of the NCAA are wrong. I get it, but I still feel OSU will lose a bowl game. Justified? Thats debatable.

Well, that would be an unprecedented step by the NCAA...Given where they're at right now without LOIC or any notion that it's forthcoming.

So while you're entitled to your opinion....Smart money is on the NCAA accepting what OSU offered with the potential of adding a small/temorary scholorship ban.

A bowl ban seems far-fetched given where this stands today.

 

[Clevelandfan15]

When the NCAA hands out its punishment a lot of people will think OSU got off easy when in reality they didn't. The media hyped this bigger than what it is. OSU case from 2006 involving the basketball team is worse than this and they are not a repeat offender from that case.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

When the NCAA hands out its punishment a lot of people will think OSU got off easy when in reality they didn't.

Yeah, okay.

I know it is going to be hard for some Ohio State fans to admit this, but Jim Tressel falling on his sword saved the entire program from being looked into, at least the NCAA looking into it.

If Ohio State would have continued to hang onto Jim Tressel, they would have gotten destroyed. Instead, Gee and Smith did the dishonorable thing by firing Jim and saying they had nothing to do with it.

And before Boobie goes ape shit, I know Gee and Smith have not been proven to be connected with this. But it would take some serious ignorance by them to not know it.

 

[Lee]

Yeah, okay.

I know it is going to be hard for some Ohio State fans to admit this, but Jim Tressel falling on his sword saved the entire program from being looked into, at least the NCAA looking into it.

If Ohio State would have continued to hang onto Jim Tressel, they would have gotten destroyed. Instead, Gee and Smith did the dishonorable thing by firing Jim and saying they had nothing to do with it.

And before Boobie goes ape shit, I know Gee and Smith have not been proven to be connected with this. But it would take some serious ignorance by them to not know it.

I think the problem is that Gee and Smith stuck by Tressell too long and the NCAA will no longer allow Tressell to fall on the sword. If they would have distanced themselves right away they would say one bad apple. But after the evidence came out that Tressell knew a year in advance and lied to the University and the NCAA and they still stuck by him will cost them a bowl game.

That is what I am basing my bowl ban prediction off of. OSU should have made Tressell resign within a week of the email surfacing, they didnt. It will cost them a bowl.

And nothing in major college football has anything today with honor these days. Its all money and hypocrisy. There is not a single level from the players, to the coaches to the administration to the NCAA that isnt filled with hypocrisy.

 

[AZ_]

Yeah, okay.

I know it is going to be hard for some Ohio State fans to admit this, but Jim Tressel falling on his sword saved the entire program from being looked into, at least the NCAA looking into it.

If Ohio State would have continued to hang onto Jim Tressel, they would have gotten destroyed. Instead, Gee and Smith did the dishonorable thing by firing Jim and saying they had nothing to do with it.

And before Boobie goes ape shit, I know Gee and Smith have not been proven to be connected with this. But it would take some serious ignorance by them to not know it.

So, the NCAA really didn't look into anything after Tressel was asked to resign?

 

[Wulfgar1224]

I think the problem is that Gee and Smith stuck by Tressell too long and the NCAA will no longer allow Tressell to fall on the sword. If they would have distanced themselves right away they would say one bad apple. But after the evidence came out that Tressell knew a year in advance and lied to the University and the NCAA and they still stuck by him will cost them a bowl game.

That is what I am basing my bowl ban prediction off of. OSU should have made Tressell resign within a week of the email surfacing, they didnt. It will cost them a bowl.


And nothing in major college football has anything today with honor these days. Its all money and hypocrisy. There is not a single level from the players, to the coaches to the administration to the NCAA that isnt filled with hypocrisy.

It's hard to predict the NCAA because consistency isn't the name of their game. Usually, there needs to be a failure to monitor or LOIC to have postseason bans. Those aren't likely forthcoming unless their is some surprise. The NCAA received a lot of bad press from allowing the tat 5 to play in the Sugar Bowl. They may feel that a one year bowl ban would be a mulligan of sorts for them. As for sticking with Tressel, who knows how the NCAA will interpret that? He is gone after all. Will they be mad because of OSU's clumsy press conference or because Tressel didn't leave soon enough? That's hard to say. It's pretty clear to me that OSU has cooperated with the investigation which is far more than USC did. Will that help them in the NCAA's mind. Again, who knows?

As for scholly losses, I think the precedent is usually around 2 for each ineligible player. So, OSU may get hit with 10-12 scholly losses. As a side note, and this is the homer in me, I think OSU is also being punished by this constant media blitz. It is hurting recruiting and IMO unfair to the university to allow them to just twist in the wind. Even for people that hate OSU, they should agree that they deserved to be judged and move forward and not have recruits being poached because of the uncertainty. But, I know they won't get any sympathy there.