Ricky Rubio - Take the Money and Limp

[All4One1ForAll]

I'm really starting to love this pickup the more I think about it.

 

[Lee]

I'm really starting to love this pickup the more I think about it.

I think its a keep Sexton pickup. It helps make the roster make more sense. We are still young, i dont expect us to be good, but average would be nice.

Also, need some length at the wing position. Okoro isnt bad for length, he is a long 6'5 or so with a 8'5 standing reach which is about an inch or two shorter than Jaylen Brown or Taurean Prince, so not horrible but not what i would call long either.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Okoro isnt bad for length, he is a long 6'5 or so with a 8'5 standing reach which is about an inch or two shorter than Jaylen Brown or Taurean Prince, so not horrible

In case y'all were wondering, Rubio has a 6'9 wingspan. At his 6'4 height without shoes, his standing reach is somewhere between 8'5 and 8'7. He never officially measured his standing reach.

 

[Lee]

In case y'all were wondering, Rubio has a 6'9 wingspan. At his 6'4 height without shoes, his standing reach is somewhere between 8'5 and 8'7. He never officially measured his standing reach.

I mentioned it earlier that Rubio is a long 6'4 and defends 1,2 and most 3's. Rubio has surprising length, quickness and strength. I am hoping he can help Sexton on defense. Sexton is a long 6'1 with a decent standing reach, he has a strong base, all like Rubio (although rubio is taller). I compared Sexton to Eric Snow with the base, I think if Sexton can learn to use his base to defend instead of trying to use his quickness, he will end up a plus defender.

Another way, Sexton needs to move his feet better and get in front of ball handlers path, not play the passing lane. I think Rubio has the skills to help teach Sexton that.

Garland is lightning quick but rail thin, he really cant get in front of ball handler although it looks like he added strength. I dont know why, i just feel Sexton can be a plus defender. His body shape, athletic ability, strength and pit bull type attitude. Garland I question being able to be any more than net zero on defense at best, but its ok, he has star level offensive ability.

 

[bs80]

I think its a keep Sexton pickup. It helps make the roster make more sense. We are still young, i dont expect us to be good, but average would be nice.

Also, need some length at the wing position. Okoro isnt bad for length, he is a long 6'5 or so with a 8'5 standing reach which is about an inch or two shorter than Jaylen Brown or Taurean Prince, so not horrible but not what i would call long either.

What's funny is that my initial reaction to this deal was that a Collin trade must be imminent.

As much as I would have liked to see us turn Sexton into a legit 3&D wing, that would have been a tall task for Koby and his crew.

The big question is, how much less valuable to us is Okoro as a 3 vs Okoro as a 2. I haven't been able to form my own opinion on this yet, but is it a general consensus in the board that Okoro does not have the size/length to be a 3 in this league?

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

What's funny is that my initial reaction to this deal was that a Collin trade must be imminent.

As much as I would have liked to see us turn Sexton into a legit 3&D wing, that would have been a tall task for Koby and his crew.

The big question is, how much less valuable to us is Okoro as a 3 vs Okoro as a 2. I haven't been able to form my own opinion on this yet, but is it a general consensus in the board that Okoro does not have the size/length to be a 3 in this league?

Okoro is not a plus defender as a 3. He is a plus defender as a 2.

That's a big difference. If we ask him to defend guys who are 6'8" or 6'9" all the time, we're doing him a disservice

 

[adam81king]

Rubio has surprising length...

But how's the girth? #GrowerNotShow-er

 

[bs80]

Okoro is not a plus defender as a 3. He is a plus defender as a 2.

That's a big difference. If we ask him to defend guys who are 6'8" or 6'9" all the time, we're doing him a disservice

Is that pretty much a valid take across most of this board? I know we've been discussing the merits of trading Collin, but if it's as clear as day that Okoro is only an asset as a 2, then we should be looking to trade one of Sexton/Garland/Okoro ASAP.

 

[buzzdog]

What's funny is that my initial reaction to this deal was that a Collin trade must be imminent.

As much as I would have liked to see us turn Sexton into a legit 3&D wing, that would have been a tall task for Koby and his crew.

The big question is, how much less valuable to us is Okoro as a 3 vs Okoro as a 2. I haven't been able to form my own opinion on this yet, but is it a general consensus in the board that Okoro does not have the size/length to be a 3 in this league?

Funny, I thought the exact opposite. Rubio is the perfect complimentary player who can make both Sexton and Garland feasible on the court if they're all handled properly in the rotations.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Is that pretty much a valid take across most of this board? I know we've been discussing the merits of trading Collin, but if it's as clear as day that Okoro is only an asset as a 2, then we should be looking to trade one of Sexton/Garland/Okoro ASAP.

I'm not sure what other people think. I can only give my opinion.

I think Garland and Okoro are your future starting 1 and 2. I think either Sexton buys into being a Manu-like super-sub off the bench, or you try and trade him for max value (or just let him walk to the highest bidder for nothing as an RFA)

I think where I differ from most is that, if Sexton's value is, let's say, about the 20-25th pick in the draft, I'm fine paying that price to see if he can be a contributor to this team moving forward. If we play him this season, and he walks in RFA and we get nothing in return, I won't think it's that big of a deal.

 

[bs80]

Funny, I thought the exact opposite. Rubio is the perfect complimentary player who can make both Sexton and Garland feasible on the court if they're all handled properly in the rotations.

Yeah, the more I think about it the more I think you're right. But as I mentioned in another thread, if Okoro is best suited as a 2, then the backcourt club becomes rather crowded. Ricky and Isaac are totally different players, I know, but still, we gave up a potential contributor at a position of need to bring Ricky in.

 

[buzzdog]

Is that pretty much a valid take across most of this board? I know we've been discussing the merits of trading Collin, but if it's as clear as day that Okoro is only an asset as a 2, then we should be looking to trade one of Sexton/Garland/Okoro ASAP.

Why? Like I mentioned earlier Rubio is somewhat of a cure-all for the deficiencies inherent in Sexland, and I'm pretty sure Okoro can fit in alternating between the 2 and 3 spots just fine with Rubio and Garland manning the point. Not to mention the play making potential that may develop with Mobley's passing ability, Okoro probably fits into being a target for assists from all of Garland/Rubio/Mobley.

 

[bs80]

I'm not sure what other people think. I can only give my opinion.

I think Garland and Okoro are your future starting 1 and 2. I think either Sexton buys into being a Manu-like super-sub off the bench, or you try and trade him for max value (or just let him walk to the highest bidder for nothing as an RFA)

As much as I appreciate Collin, this is exactly how I see things. And if we are going to relegate Collin to a scorer-off-the-bench role, then another team may value him more than that, and if they're willing to offer enough in a trade, then we should absolutely consider it.

 

[bs80]

Why? Like I mentioned earlier Rubio is somewhat of a cure-all for the deficiencies inherent in Sexland, and I'm pretty sure Okoro can fit in alternating between the 2 and 3 spots just fine with Rubio and Garland manning the point. Not to mention the play making potential that may Develop with Mobley's passing ability, Okoro probably fits into being a target for assists from all of Garland/Rubio/Mobley.

Are you asking why we should be looking to trade one of the three? I say that because we drafted all three expecting them to be starting lineup material. If Okoro is not cut out for the 3, then there's no way that Collin, Darius, and Okoro all make sense in the starting lineup. I personally think that Isaac should be groomed as our future starting 2, and that either Collin or Darius need to be traded. Collin happens to be the easy one to pick on because he's due up for an extension first.

 

[buzzdog]

Yeah, the more I think about it the more I think you're right. But as I mentioned in another thread, if Okoro is best suited as a 2, then the backcourt club becomes rather crowded. Ricky and Isaac are totally different players, I know, but still, we gave up a potential contributor at a position of need to bring Ricky in.

The backcourt is crowded? Last year these guys saw minutes at the guard position in addition to Sexton, Garland and Okoro:
Martin
Delly
Thomas
Dotson
Thomas

That's 8 guys. You're saying 4 guys is crowded. And Okoro will see minutes at the 3 spot.