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Sebastian said:
Holy shit!

Wow, thank God for Depeche Mode then!

Enjoy the Silence is a GOAT song.

They still have it too, they had a great appearance on Letterman that is on YouTube:

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Saw them in concert for the first and only time about 3 years ago in Houston. They were definitely life changers for me.
 
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So my son asked me this morning if I think Coldplay and My Chemical Romance will get into the hall. Interesting question and opening it up to the group.
 
JMoneyYourHoney said:
Another year, another snub for Billy Idol.

Think I'm going to email Alan Hunter and ask what he believes the reasons are for his continued omission.
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The criticism I had heard of Billy Idol from the old guard was that he wasn't "real punk rock."

With Generation X, he was marketed as a teen heartthrob. He also enjoyed session musicians and people writing hits for him at one point. I always dismissed that criticism because he was just the next wave of punk, younger than the Sex Pistols first wave and therefore rose to his peak during New Wave.

I also appreciate the serendipity of teenage Billy Idol appearing on Marc Bolan's final episode of "Marc". He passed the torch before his fatal crash. Luckily Billy Idol survived his accident.
 
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Randolphkeys said:
The criticism I had heard of Billy Idol from the old guard was that he wasn't "real punk rock."

With Generation X, he was marketed as a teen heartthrob. He also enjoyed session musicians and people writing hits for him at one point. I always dismissed that criticism because he was just the next wave of punk, younger than the Sex Pistols first wave and therefore rose to his peak during New Wave.

I also appreciate the serendipity of teenage Billy Idol appearing on Marc Bolan's final episode of "Marc". He passed the torch before his fatal crash. Luckily Billy Idol survived his accident.
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Billy Idol cemented himself being in the HOF for me with his cameo appearance in The Wedding Singer.
 
Lee said:
So my son asked me this morning if I think Coldplay and My Chemical Romance will get into the hall. Interesting question and opening it up to the group.
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My Chemical Romance is one the the peak EMO bands that was integral to the alt rock scene in the early 00s and into the mid 10s. I think they will eventually, but with most musical acts in that timeframe they will have to patiently wait their turn. They would have to have a much bigger impact to the entire industry not just their their genre to get their quicker.

This is my wheelhouse of listening taste, but know that more mainstream rock fans tend to poke fun of it. It will be dependent on how the voters in the rock hall truly view their impact.
 
N7RobBob said:
My Chemical Romance is one the the peak EMO bands that was integral to the alt rock scene in the early 00s and into the mid 10s. I think they will eventually, but with most musical acts in that timeframe they will have to patiently wait their turn. They would have to have a much bigger impact to the entire industry not just their their genre to get their quicker.

This is my wheelhouse of listening taste, but know that more mainstream rock fans tend to poke fun of it. It will be dependent on how the voters in the rock hall truly view their impact.
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MCR is my daughters favorite band, they really dont sound emo to me, more true hard rock, but i get that they are classified as emo and actually some consider the godfather of emo.

I think they have a much bigger impact on music than just emo personally even if they arent my cup of tea.
 
Lee said:
MCR is my daughters favorite band, they really dont sound emo to me, more true hard rock, but i get that they are classified as emo and actually some consider the godfather of emo.

I think they have a much bigger impact on music than just emo personally even if they arent my cup of tea.
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I mean, the Godfather of Emo is Robert Smith of The Cure. He didn't just play Emo music, but the album Pornography is the template all Goth and Emo bands followed afterwards. I think he explored it in a few albums but didn't hammer it to death, which is respectable.

An Emo kid in my class accidentally sent me a fan girl gif of Gerard Way, the MCR lead singer. I mentioned I liked one of their songs just for the cool points. She sent it to the wrong email address, but I regret nothing.
 
Randolphkeys said:
I mean, the Godfather of Emo is Robert Smith of The Cure. He didn't just play Emo music, but the album Pornography is the template all Goth and Emo bands followed afterwards. I think he explored it in a few albums but didn't hammer it to death, which is respectable.

An Emo kid in my class accidentally sent me a fan girl gif of Gerard Way, the MCR lead singer. I mentioned I liked one of their songs just for the cool points. She sent it to the wrong email address, but I regret nothing.
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Not trying to have this argument, but Emo is different than goth. My daughter is no longer emo, but I have heard the arguments and I would say the Cure were the godfathers of goth, and emo didnt come around till the 2000's.

Really nothing to go off of factually but Southpark like always, did a fantastic episode on Emo vs Goth vs Vampires and its hilarious. And if you are saying Emo started in the 80's, then its more of a punk movement, but in general the Cure doesnt get the praise they deserve, after Joy Division and the greatest of the alt rock bands of the early and mid 80's Depeche Mode.

All just my opinion, really cant state facts on these.
 
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Not that anyone was asking for it, I put together this quick and dirty not at all exhaustive guide

The Cure
Goth

Rites of Spring -->Jawbox -->Sunny Day Real Estate | At the Drive-In -->Thursday -->My Chemical Romance
Hardcore--------------------------------------------Emo-----------------------------------------------Scene
 
Randolphkeys said:
The criticism I had heard of Billy Idol from the old guard was that he wasn't "real punk rock."

With Generation X, he was marketed as a teen heartthrob. He also enjoyed session musicians and people writing hits for him at one point. I always dismissed that criticism because he was just the next wave of punk, younger than the Sex Pistols first wave and therefore rose to his peak during New Wave.

I also appreciate the serendipity of teenage Billy Idol appearing on Marc Bolan's final episode of "Marc". He passed the torch before his fatal crash. Luckily Billy Idol survived his accident.
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As a member of the 'Bromley Contingent' and a close friend of people like Siouxsie Sioux and Steve Severin, Idol was there from ground zero and was partially responsible for the large following that Sex Pistols (briefly) enjoyed. You're right that Generation X was among punk's "next wave", and their music tended to not only be more optimistic in nature compared to the likes of the Pistols, but they also wore their classic rock influences on their sleeves when it was popular to dump on those who came before them as quaint and old-fashioned.

But he had a whole other career beyond England's punk scene after coming to the US. By embracing the bourgeoning New Wave and pop scenes and combining his classic rock influences with his punk looks, not to mention taking full advantage of the nascent MTV, he created truly great rock and roll with an edge that is as iconic and emblematic of the 80s as any other artist you can name from that period. And some of his stuff, especially Rebel Yell, has gotten better with time (inconceivably, that song peaked at #46 in the US, but has become an anthemic powerhouse of that decade through regular radio play.) And not only did he survive his motorcycle crash (which prevented James Cameron from casting him as the T-1000 in T2), he won his battle against drug addiction, tours regularly (saw him last year in Cincinnati, he kicked ass) and has challenged himself musically with a couple of acclaimed albums since the early 2000s (him and Stevens just wrapped up production on a third.) Finally, he had to be shot with a tranquilizer gun from the army after destroying a hotel in a drug-fueled, hooker-filled, three-week binge in Thailand.

The guy is the living embodiment of a rock star and his absence from the Hall is a travesty.
 
MCR deserves a lot of credit from that 2000s era of emo & pop punk, but certainly would not call them the Godfathers. There are earlier examples/influences but for me personally I’ll always see Weezer’s Pinkerton as the emo blueprint. I’ve also always thought of Gerard Way as pop punk Billy Corgan (but that’s really just cause they look similar).
 
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