Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class

[ChicagoCavFan]

Have to admit, one of my favorite "singing contest" shows was Rockstar INXS. Hosted by the band and Dave Navarro, a sinlge elimination style where actual band lead singers fought for the role. JD Fortune won (he was very solid, some of the competition was up there too).

Not sure what happened with him but a google search shows he only lasted 6 years (2005 - 2011).

Bringing back the memories, as I'm a child of the 80s too. Saw Depeche Mode at the United Center late last year - was never a huge fan, but who says no to a concert with 3 other couples? Turned out freaking awesome - those old guys really tore it up.

I mention this, as I see DM and INXS in very similar veins. DM was inducted in 2020 - I'd say its time for INXS. Good call out Sebastian.

 

[Lee]

Have to admit, one of my favorite "singing contest" shows was Rockstar INXS. Hosted by the band and Dave Navarro, a sinlge elimination style where actual band lead singers fought for the role. JD Fortune won (he was very solid, some of the competition was up there too).

Not sure what happened with him but a google search shows he only lasted 6 years (2005 - 2011).

Bringing back the memories, as I'm a child of the 80s too. Saw Depeche Mode at the United Center late last year - was never a huge fan, but who says no to a concert with 3 other couples? Turned out freaking awesome - those old guys really tore it up.

I mention this, as I see DM and INXS in very similar veins. DM was inducted in 2020 - I'd say its time for INXS. Good call out Sebastian.

I dont see DM and INXS in similar veins, I think DM is the much bigger band and very alt rock. Not sure I have a preference over either though, both had huge moments in the 80's and 90's

To me DM is closer to REM, but maybe I am splitting hairs or someone will come along with more music knowledge than me and have a drawn out chord progression explanation showing how similar INXS and Depeche are, lol

 

[KI4MVP]

Have to admit, one of my favorite "singing contest" shows was Rockstar INXS. Hosted by the band and Dave Navarro, a sinlge elimination style where actual band lead singers fought for the role. JD Fortune won (he was very solid, some of the competition was up there too).

Not sure what happened with him but a google search shows he only lasted 6 years (2005 - 2011).

Bringing back the memories, as I'm a child of the 80s too. Saw Depeche Mode at the United Center late last year - was never a huge fan, but who says no to a concert with 3 other couples? Turned out freaking awesome - those old guys really tore it up.

I mention this, as I see DM and INXS in very similar veins. DM was inducted in 2020 - I'd say its time for INXS. Good call out Sebastian.

Also Tears for Fears were similar. I used to listen to alternative rock stations to hear those 3 bands. Tears for Fears didn't have the career the others did, but did have a pretty strong peak.

 

[Lee]

Also Tears for Fears were similar. I used to listen to alternative rock stations to hear those 3 bands. Tears for Fears didn't have the career the others did, but did have a pretty strong peak.

At one time I thought they were going to rule the world.

 

[ChicagoCavFan]

EVERYBODY WANTS TO!

Was so easy, I had to SHOUT it.

 

[Lee]

EVERYBODY WANTS TO!

Was so easy, I had to SHOUT it.

Just Head over Heels for your dad jokes.

 

[Sebastian]

Ok, this one might be a bit more controversial.

Won't happen while the king of Boomer gatekeeping is alive, but the Monkees deserve consideration.

"Manufactured band?"

That distinction is pretty meaningless these days.

It was even of dubious distinction back in the 60s when most of the hot acts prior to 1966 didn't write their own songs and used session artists. In any event, as musicians it turns out that at least two of them were held in high regard before and after the Monkees peaked.

Sure, the Beatles and Dylan, and many other that arrived by 1966 created a requirement for authenticity, but if Elvis is held in such high regard despite writing very, very few of his hits, and was as manufactured as it came in terms of image, among others, than the Monkees shouldn't receive so much grief.

 

[Lee]

Ok, this one might be a bit more controversial.

Won't happen while the king of Boomer gatekeeping is alive, but the Monkees deserve consideration.

"Manufactured band?"

That distinction is pretty meaningless these days.

It was even of dubious distinction back in the 60s when most of the hot acts prior to 1966 didn't write their own songs and used session artists. In any event, as musicians it turns out that at least two of them were held in high regard before and after the Monkees peaked.

Sure, the Beatles and Dylan, and many other that arrived by 1966 created a requirement for authenticity, but if Elvis is held in such high regard despite writing very, very few of his hits, and was as manufactured as it came in terms of image, among others, than the Monkees shouldn't receive so much grief.

Wait, i this opinion you think the Beatles are better than the Monkeys?

 

[Sebastian]

Wait, i this opinion you think the Beatles are better than the Monkeys?

The Monkees were a huge influence on the Beatles.

 

[bronko]

The Monkees played maybe thirty shows during their heyday. Didn't play on any of their albums until after their success, which coincided with them becoming less popular. If nobody deserves the honor more than the Monkees, then it's time to stop. I think the Wrecking Crew and most of the songwriters who created all the Monkee music are already in the Rock Hall. The Monkees played their part but so did Milli Vanilli. Is Spinal Tap already in?
This is all spoken in good humor, Nesmith and all weren't lousy musicians and were placed in a position that was tough to evolve from. Things would be different if they had hired that Steve Stills guy who tried out.

 

[Randolphkeys]

The Monkees were a huge influence on the Beatles.

Hogwash.

One fascinating trivia fact: When The Beatles appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show, Davy Jones of The Monkees also appeared. Sullivan had the cast of Broadway's Oliver! on the same episode and Davy Jones performed with the troupe. Small ass world stuff. That tripped me out about as much as when I found out Bob Dylan performed right before the "I had a dream" MLK speech.

 

[Sebastian]

Hogwash.

One fascinating trivia fact: When The Beatles appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show, Davy Jones of The Monkees also appeared. Sullivan had the cast of Broadway's Oliver! on the same episode and Davy Jones performed with the troupe. Small ass world stuff. That tripped me out about as much as when I found out Bob Dylan performed right before the "I had a dream" MLK speech.

It was a joke:

 

[Sebastian]

The Monkees played maybe thirty shows during their heyday. Didn't play on any of their albums until after their success, which coincided with them becoming less popular. If nobody deserves the honor more than the Monkees, then it's time to stop. I think the Wrecking Crew and most of the songwriters who created all the Monkee music are already in the Rock Hall. The Monkees played their part but so did Milli Vanilli. Is Spinal Tap already in?
This is all spoken in good humor, Nesmith and all weren't lousy musicians and were placed in a position that was tough to evolve from. Things would be different if they had hired that Steve Stills guy who tried out.

Firstly, comparing them to Milli Vanilli is a specious argument. They lip-synced. Spinal Tap is a fictitious band. But it is a humorous aside.

To the substance of your position:

I find the argument dubious based on the inconsistency of the goal posts:

1) Is it a requirement for artists to author their own songs? No. Many artists in the HoF have not, or mostly didn't.

2) Is it a requirement for the artists to have played the instruments for their songs on the album? No. Again, various artists in the HoF did not, or don't even play instruments.

3) The pointing to other artists who aren't in is a Call to Omission, a logical fallacy as it isn't relevant as a particular argument.

Off of the top of my head, Elvis neither wrote the vast majority of his songs, and he didn't play instruments either on most of them either. Especially post 1968, Elvis rarely attended the recording sessions with other artists. He laid down vocals and that is it. His old backing band wasn't even with him anymore. Session artists laid down the instruments.

Another artist held in great esteem, including by me, Dusty Springfield.

She neither wrote her songs nor played instruments.

Her last two hit albums were completely written, produced, arranged and instrumentality played for her by Pet Shop Boys.

She is seen as a legend and is amazing.

There are a number more of artists like this.

Interestingly enough, I have seen that this argument is decades old, and tends to fracture based on generation.

Baby Boomers really do not support the idea of the Monkees in the HoF and are personally insulted by the very notion. Millennials don't see to understand the distinction, having grown up with many manufactured acts.

 

[bronko]

You don't have to write songs or play an instrument, but you need to be a hell of a singer if not, if you want the Hall of Fame acknowledgement.

Elvis wrote very little but played on most of the stuff that made his name. And he was a terrific singer.

I didn't point to any others who aren't in, so your Call to Omission argument is bizarre. I pointed to Spinal Tap and Milli more so due to the fact they were also manufactured bands, stand ins for creators to get their ideas across. Musically, visually, or comically.

And a clichéd generational argument? You're better than that.

 

[Lee]

She neither wrote her songs nor played instruments.

Her last two hit albums were completely written, produced, arranged and instrumentality played for her by Pet Shop Boys.

She is seen as a legend and is amazing.

Is it true she recorded in a West End Town?