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"Will", or "should"?

I'd defer to your analysis if it is "will", but I couldn't agree with "should". He had a couple of good solo albums, and a truly great single in Crazy Train. But he didn't really write much of it at all, with Randy Rhoades and Bob Daisley doing most of the writing in his first band, and Zack Wylde and various others writing most of the stuff later. He got some writing credits simply because it was his band and he insisted on it. I saw an interview where Geezer mocked Ozzie by saying he couldn't even read, so how could you expect him to write?

Anyway, I just don't see his individual contributions as a solo act being HOF worthy. Not really even close. I'm not a huge Foreigner fan, but as a collective band that wrote all their own stuff, I have them as much more worthy than Ozzy.


I'm not doubting their worthiness to be inducted. They seem to be very popular in a certain genre, and a huge touring band so I wouldn't quibble about them getting in. But I do have an honest question about because I've truthfully never listened to much of their stuff.

What would you say is their "influence"? They seem a very popular but somewhat generic "jam band" to me, and I don't know them well enough to think of who/what they might have influenced. I mean, I'm not a Dead fan either, but I do get their influence as the quintessential jam/touring band. I'm just not aware of any important acts (not to say there aren't any) who were particularly influenced by DMB.

Again, there may be a great easy answer to this, and the question may well be more a comment on my ignorance than on DMB. But I truly don't know, and am just curious.

I don't really feel any stake in this year's nominations like I did in Kate Bush getting in last year. Feels like we've taken a real step down.
I missed DMB entirely, due to timing, and never listened to much. But about 12 years ago my brother turned me on to them and I was blown away.. just the breadth and depth of music is startling.. obviously his vocals are the unique sound, but the band experiments and pushes boundaries.. So I am not seeing generic at all. I would say to the uninitiated, listen to it all. Not just the hits. You will see what I mean.. my personal favorite artists are Pink Floyd and Steely Dan, and a like Africa Paul Simon and Persian Sting.. So that gives you a sense of my tastes a bit.. But DNB is my kind of music..
 
I need people's thoughts:

What is INXS' best song?

Need You Tonight?
New Sensation?
Suicide Blonde?
Never Tear Us Apart?
Beautiful Girl?
Devil Inside?
What You Need?
And about 10 others.

First off, good choice to champion. I'm pretty sure INXS kicked off Live Aid for the Western Hemisphere because it was evening in Australia. I was a fan, I'm right in the age wheelhouse for their prime.

As a middle schooler, I thought Hutchence was a modern day Jim Morrison. They played sexy ass rock songs, which age well. When will they do a movie on his life? I know the way he died was tragic, but somehow... fitting?

It's a shame they hired the wrong guy to replace Hutchence. If they hired somebody who wasn't an addict they would have kept recording and touring. Great set of musicians in the band.

Favorite song? Depends upon the number of drinks! Sober, I'll take Suicidal Blonde. Tipsy I will take Need You Tonight. Happy drunk I'll take Devil Inside. Wasted I'll take Never Tear Us Apart. I just put on their greatest hits and you just scratched the surface. Listen Like Thieves and Disappear also held staying power in Cleveland airwaves.
 
First off, good choice to champion. I'm pretty sure INXS kicked off Live Aid for the Western Hemisphere because it was evening in Australia. I was a fan, I'm right in the age wheelhouse for their prime.

As a middle schooler, I thought Hutchence was a modern day Jim Morrison. They played sexy ass rock songs, which age well. When will they do a movie on his life? I know the way he died was tragic, but somehow... fitting?

It's a shame they hired the wrong guy to replace Hutchence. If they hired somebody who wasn't an addict they would have kept recording and touring. Great set of musicians in the band.

Favorite song? Depends upon the number of drinks! Sober, I'll take Suicidal Blonde. Tipsy I will take Need You Tonight. Happy drunk I'll take Devil Inside. Wasted I'll take Never Tear Us Apart. I just put on their greatest hits and you just scratched the surface. Listen Like Thieves and Disappear also held staying power in Cleveland airwaves.
It's bonkers they aren't already in.

MH did live the real Rock and Roll lifestyle. It is oddly serendipitous how he went out.

But it deprived future generations of one of the greatest frontmen of all-time.

It also deprived us of INXS' second wind once music changed again in the late 90s, early 2000s. The Super Bowl ad has them charting again, like with Pet Shop Boys a few years ago. No. 5 on the Billboard Digital Sales Chart.

Need You Tonight is as fresh as it was in 1987. Watch kids' reaction videos on YouTube. It is just crazy how well it aged.

And watch the women reactors turn into a puddle at the sight of Hutchence oozing across the screen with a white rat on his arm.

Jon Farriss gets a shout-out too. World-Class drummer. In most bands he'd be the hot one. The drums on New Sensation are outstanding, charging, driving the whole song to crescendo.

Also, Kirk Pengilly. The sax solo on Never Tear Us Apart is utterly lacerating. Like a knife to the heart.
 
I need people's thoughts:

What is INXS' best song?

Need You Tonight?
New Sensation?
Don't Change?
Suicide Blonde?
Never Tear Us Apart?
(the New Wave glory of) The One Thing?
Beautiful Girl?
Devil Inside?
What You Need?
And about 10 others.

That is tough, but I first became a fan when Need you Tonight was released. Because I listened to INXS real time, meaning they arent the Beatles to me where their career was over when I first heard them, Need you tonight is my favorite song of theirs and its hard for me to separate the nostalgia portion of the song.

What you need was released before I believe, but they didnt make High School Lee's radar before their smash hit.

Best song taking that out? Good Times was huge from Lost Boys, another nostalgia song, love me some Suicide Blonde, Devil Inside but I am going with Never Tear Us Apart #2, and probably #1 if you remove nostalgia
 
That is tough, but I first became a fan when Need you Tonight was released. Because I listened to INXS real time, meaning they arent the Beatles to me where their career was over when I first heard them, Need you tonight is my favorite song of theirs and its hard for me to separate the nostalgia portion of the song.

What you need was released before I believe, but they didnt make High School Lee's radar before their smash hit.

Best song taking that out? Good Times was huge from Lost Boys, another nostalgia song, love me some Suicide Blonde, Devil Inside but I am going with Never Tear Us Apart #2, and probably #1 if you remove nostalgia
Need You Tonight was also an outstanding video.

It swept the VMAs in 1988.

It also changed their look. Prior to that they had a decided New Wave look. Need You Tonight turned Michael Hutchence into a long-haired sexual dynamo, dressed in a pseudo-vamperic fashion that looked more at home in 1992 than 1987.

Kick is INXS at its peak. It is INXS at home with itself as a sound.

Perhaps the biggest band in the world that year.
 
It sounds like time for me to go on a R&R HOF nomination rant. I'm thrilled RCF is the unofficial home of Clevelanders who are way too competitive about the Rock Hall. I bring some of this up with peers in California and they are only slightly aware the Rock Hall exists.

So to start my rant, last year had a fantastic class and great nominations. I respect that if you get nominated, you have to sit out a year. I'd happily lobby for Joy Division/New Order, Soundgarden, White Stripes and Warren Zevon to get in over most of the nominees this year. Those are some memorable rock acts.

I will make this rant hyper-competitive in format because of it.

Rap category: I think Tribe Called Quest gets in while Eric B. and Rakim have to wait. Tribe are the only nominees to carry over from 2023, just like Kate Bush had two in a row in 2022 and 2023. In other words, they know they fucked up.

Time is Ticking Category: Ozzy Osborne and Cher get in, Sinead O'Conner is out. This matches up with Ozzy's farewell tour in 2024. Sometimes you can tell who is in by tracking upcoming concert tours. Cher announced that she recorded new music, and like Tina Turner & Stevie Nicks she deserves to be in without her former partner. O'Conner has the nostalgia but not the legion of fans or cred. She's in the happy to be nominated category.

Pop Diva Category: We can argue this shouldn't be a category, but the committee keeps letting at least one per year in ever since the ownership change. I have Mary J. Blige definitely in, Mariah Carey as a 50/50, Sade is out. Mary J Blige is a national treasure for the more soulful side of hip hop, really one of the no-brainers here. Her version of U2's One is a great crossover. Will they double down with Mariah in the same year? I just don't know, and I hope they save Mariah for another year. Sade is just to slow, jazzy and not at all rock and roll to topple the other two.

For fun, here's a great rock cover of Mary J. Blige's Real Love:


Rock and Roll Lives Category: I have Dave Matthews Band and Lenny Kravitz in, and Foreigner as a 50/50. The DMB checks a lot of boxes, but had to wait their turn. They flat out destroyed a fan poll one year and then didn't get in. They represent a great diversity of influence, membership and fan base. You can say the same for Lenny. Some people thought Lenny was stuck in the 70s in his first two albums but then he pushed boundaries to really become an influencer. Now he's semi-retired but can dust it off whenever he wants. Maybe I am a little biased since I attended concerts for both, fully knowing they were chick approved rockers.

Foreigner is a first time nominee for a reason. They sold a ton of albums but don't carry a flag for industry respect. I've said it before in this thread, but they were hired guns assembled by a record company with almost no back story to latch onto, and when their hired gun keyboardist Thomas Dolby left, a lot of the creative force left with him. They will make it in someday just because of records sold and memorable ear worms.

So that means Peter Frampton, Oasis, Jane's Addiction, and Kool and the Gang are on the outs for me. I see Frampton has done a lot of guest duets in high profile places in the past year, including playing with Cheryl Crow in the last HOF Induction ceremony. He's still talented, but he had one great album in 1976 and has just been a nice British bloke who can wail outside of that album. He's an underdog this year because of it. Kool and the Gang are so much fun live, go see them. That said, they had one mega hit and a few solid songs. I want them in eventually, but I place a few acts above them this year. On the other hand, Oasis makes no sense to me, there are great British bands who got screwed in the past... but this group had one album and became obnoxious. Jane's Addiction had two good albums from the late 80s LA scene and then became influential behind the scenes and as B list celebrities. It doesn't feel like the right time for a group like that.
My only comment would be that while I have no particular opinion as to whether he‘s worthy or not, I feel Peter Frampton may garner some extra support due to his illness, (IMB) Inclusion Body Myositis which has forced him into retirement and being seated while he plays on any remaining dates.
 
An interview with INXS' former manager on Kick.

Evidently, Atlantic Records offered INXS $1 Million to erase the tapes that was Kick because they couldn't understand how or why a rock band would want to create a new sound.

The manager brought in the tape for "Need You Tonight" to get them to release it as the first single for Kick, only for the Atlantic braintrust from CEO to Marketing say it made no sense. Is it Rock? It is Pop? Is it Funk? What is it? "Rock is big hair and spandex!"

Until the one woman in the group, who evidently nearly orgasmed to the song (Michael Hutchence does that to women) yelled out "That is a #1 Hit! You have to release that!"

https://www.billboard.com/music/features/inxs-unlikely-rule-80s-kick-interview-8005714/
 
An interview with INXS' former manager on Kick.

Evidently, Atlantic Records offered INXS $1 Million to erase the tapes that was Kick because they couldn't understand how or why a rock band would want to create a new sound.

The manager brought in the tape for "Need You Tonight" to get them to release it as the first single for Kick, only for the Atlantic braintrust from CEO to Marketing say it made no sense. Is it Rock? It is Pop? Is it Funk? What is it? "Rock is big hair and spandex!"

Until the one woman in the group, who evidently nearly orgasmed to the song (Michael Hutchence does that to women) yelled out "That is a #1 Hit! You have to release that!"

https://www.billboard.com/music/features/inxs-unlikely-rule-80s-kick-interview-8005714/

Everything about that story is crazy. Record labels should look for things new and different, not try to suppress it when an artist brings it to them.
 
An interview with INXS' former manager on Kick.

Evidently, Atlantic Records offered INXS $1 Million to erase the tapes that was Kick because they couldn't understand how or why a rock band would want to create a new sound.

The manager brought in the tape for "Need You Tonight" to get them to release it as the first single for Kick, only for the Atlantic braintrust from CEO to Marketing say it made no sense. Is it Rock? It is Pop? Is it Funk? What is it? "Rock is big hair and spandex!"

Until the one woman in the group, who evidently nearly orgasmed to the song (Michael Hutchence does that to women) yelled out "That is a #1 Hit! You have to release that!"

https://www.billboard.com/music/features/inxs-unlikely-rule-80s-kick-interview-8005714/

Devil's Advocate Inside question:

Isn't this just yet another feather in the cap of Niles Rodgers as a producer? He taught them how to get funky on the album before Kick and they just took control of their own career following the Niles Rodgers Chic recipe... like many bands before them and any bands afterwards.

I'm in the middle of some minor litigation - I am not personally at risk - so I'm all about the casual argumentative writing at the moment.
 
Devil's Advocate Inside question:

Isn't this just yet another feather in the cap of Niles Rodgers as a producer? He taught them how to get funky on the album before Kick and they just took control of their own career following the Niles Rodgers Chic recipe... like many bands before them and any bands afterwards.

I'm in the middle of some minor litigation - I am not personally at risk - so I'm all about the casual argumentative writing at the moment.
Makes sense to me!
 
Devil's Advocate Inside question:

Isn't this just yet another feather in the cap of Niles Rodgers as a producer? He taught them how to get funky on the album before Kick and they just took control of their own career following the Niles Rodgers Chic recipe... like many bands before them and any bands afterwards.

I'm in the middle of some minor litigation - I am not personally at risk - so I'm all about the casual argumentative writing at the moment.

Niles Rodgers is just a different level and discussion. Obviously Bowie and Madonna as both are complete legends he worked with, but I was a huge Duran Duran fan. I seem to like rock that has an R&B influence like Hall & Oates, Duran Duran, INXS, George Michael, ect.

Anyways, Reflex, Wild Boys, ect. Way under rated stuff in my opinion and for sure, middle school and High School Lee loved that shit.

And way off topic, I am huge fan of the New Jack Swing sub genre of hip hip and Teddy Riley and others who produced the music if anyone wants an open discussion on that sub genre of music, lol
 
Everything about that story is crazy. Record labels should look for things new and different, not try to suppress it when an artist brings it to them.
Big companies are generally risk adverse.

The problem is that art progresses by taking risks.

MCU took big risks and for a while Disney let them, but did the opposite with Star Wars for a while with dissimilar results.

Conversely, WB reigned in the DCEU or basically trying to copy Marvel instead of letting them do their own thing.

The results speak for themselves.
 
The harp and chunking guitar riffs on "Suicide Blonde" melted my brain.
 
Big companies are generally risk adverse.

The problem is that art progresses by taking risks.

Yes. But big companies who manage artists should be less risk adverse.

And even in general, when companies become too risk adverse, they get displaced by companies who aren't.
 

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