Saddam Executed

[RuanuLaw]

Re: Saddam Executed.

God is Omni-present... And it's my opinion whether I choose to mention God... Just like it's yours to disagree with me. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.. I think it was wrong to put him to death.... I know he was far, far, far from a saint... But when you kill someone, you are taking it to a "GODLY" level.. Don't tell me not to bring God into it... because I already did, and it's not like I'm gonna say... "sorry, you were right, I was wrong." respect other peoples OPINIONS and if people have common sense, then they will do the same.

Ok, now just snap your fingers and do the "Z" motion with one hand, and with the other, place it on your hip. And wiggle your body and your head from side to side at the same time. And make sure you bulge your eyes out too for the full effect.

:chuckles:

Ya, I know its an opinion. Thats why this is a message board. I do respect your opinion. Thats why I did not go off on a rant and call you stupid or something immature because I did not agree with you. But at the same time I do know that opinions are like assholes....everybody got one...and they stink...a lot...

Again, don't bring god into this because god just clutters your judgement. God has nothing to do with this. If you do believe in him, then he gave you the power to free will and to think for yourself. So...give it a try. I promise its not scary to think without the God-Blanket being there to keep your thoughts safe at night. See, don't bring god in this because the whole focal point shifts from Saddam to God.

 

[RuanuLaw]

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If someone is a threat to the United States then that person needs to stop being a threat. If someone is a threat to their own people then those people need to stand up and make that person stop being a threat. If those people can't do it then anybody that can needs to step up to the plate only problem is that this used to be a Democracy of some sort, not sure what the hell it is now after hearing you guys support what went on. If we are to go into battle as a country for what ever reason then Congress has to give the go ahead and it can't be lied to.

Saddam was never a real threat to us. But he had to be taken down. And since the UN was such girls about it, we had to do something. We are AMERICA. We are the enforcers. That is our REP. Hey buddy, if you don't like how the President had the power to go to war without congress, then blame our fathers of the country. He had the power. He used it.

I don't think anybody should be killed by the state. My view is that if someone is a threat you contain that threat if you can only contain it by death then so be it but im not an eye for an eye person. I have no problem killing anybody or anything if they are a direct threat to my family, friends or myself. That being said if i lived in Iraq and Saddam was in power i would have probably been one of the ones in the wood chipper because i would have tried to oust him from power myself.

Oh, I see you now clearly. You are one of those types of people that you don't give a shit about anything until it effects you. I got a poem for your kind.

"""When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out."""

The point that im trying to make here is that this war was wrong so no matter what the end result is that still doesn't justify the fact that we went into war illeagally. All that was needed was for someone to say "Hey, we need to stop this guy from murdering his people" and none of this dialog here would have been going on.

Ok, ya, great and all, but how you were told before, save it for another thread that has to do with that issue first hand.

 

[Mandingo]

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Yeah i know that quote, its by Martin Niemoller. I posted it in a previous thread. You don't understand how America is supposed to work. No point in arguing with you on it.

 

[James]

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He had threatned the US multiple times as i recall. What the hell is being argued in here? Dude killed his own people, was a threat to not just the US but everyone in the World. There is no way to justify what he did or try to water it down. And Dingo...the difference between going to Iraq to save them and going to Darfur to save there people...Darfur doesnt have any kind natural resource that would be helpful to us. If we were to go over there...get in between 2 tribes that hate each other...what do you think would happen? Itd be like Black Hawk down. If people care so much about whats going on over there, it should be funded privatley by the people who actually care so much about it.

and plus....nobodyin the US knew what Darfur was before George Clooney said something about it in a speech.

 

[James]

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10 good reasons to shut up about Darfur:

1) You never heard about it until George Clooney told you about it because you never cared in the first place.
2) You still probably don't know where it is, or what the hell is going on there.
3) First you called for economic sanctions against Sudan as the solution (which works well, look at say, Cuba, North Korea, Iran, etc.) and now you want to raise money? Any money you raise will be either stolen by the Sudanese government, squandered by venture capitalist aid groups, or otherwise will never reach the hands of poor people.
4) Even if the money did reach poor people in Darfur, they wouldn't have any way of applying those funds to anything. The only somewhat useful thing you could do is build a massive castle full of corn and rice for refugees to live in.
5) You will never be able to build a castle full of corn and rice for Darfur refugees to live in.
6) If any person, group, or government actually did get involved in Darfur, they would have to fix all of Africa since all these issues are connected. No one will ever be able or willing to do that.
7) The only war situations that get long term attention from superpowers are the ones that threaten our well being. Apparently your Anthro teacher forgot to tell you.
8) Yesterday you and your hippie friends whined about America being a self-professed policeman that needs to mind its own business.
9) If the conflicts in Sudan and east Africa did phase out, there would be a whole new market of Muslims being recruited into Islamic terrorist organizations.
10) Arab Muslims and African Muslims killing each other for control over a desert. Egyptian Muslims killing Muslim refugees of the crisis. Rebel Sudanese Muslims invading villages in Chad and killing Muslim bystanders. Muslim troops from Ethiopia taking advantage of the chaos to attack Muslim tribes in the north and driving them into Darfur. What a peaceful religion. We should definitely get involved.

 

[Mandingo]

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I heard about it 3 years ago and thought it was wrong then just like i think its wrong now so eff George Cloney. No resources. :chuckles: So I guess all that bullshit you guys were saying about helping people is out the window.

 

[James]

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I heard about it 3 years ago and thought it was wrong then just like i think its wrong now so eff George Cloney. No resources. :chuckles: So I guess all that bullshit you guys were saying about helping people is out the window.

We dont just "help people" the ammount of money it takes to fund a opperation this size isnt just thrown together to "help people"...we went there for 2 things...get Saddam out of power...and get control of the oil, along the way we can help people out.

 

[bomber]

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good riddance

just wish it would have been on pay-per-view

 

[Nicky]

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Again, don't bring god into this because god just clutters your judgement. God has nothing to do with this. If you do believe in him, then he gave you the power to free will and to think for yourself. So...give it a try. I promise its not scary to think without the God-Blanket being there to keep your thoughts safe at night. See, don't bring god in this because the whole focal point shifts from Saddam to God.

"Here, I offer my soul to God as a sacrifice, and if he wants, he will send it to heaven with the martyrs,"

Ok, so Saddam mentioned God... and so did I... now what?
I will mention God, because it is my opinion.
Like I said before, if you believe in God, he is OMNI-PRESENT... but if you don't then so be it!

 

[cdt]

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Good thing we got control of the oil so the prices could skyrocket..really benefited the American's back home and it was sure worth 3,000+ lives lost in Iraq to have gas prices go up so that the oil tycoons over here would widen their pockets.

300 billion will be paid at the expense of the hard working middle class...the higher ups will be forced to find a way to make us pay it off while they bask in the glory of their monetary victory.

If Bush is so gung ho about war why did he go AWOL and never fulfill his duty to his country? I mean he made the comments about road side bombs and ambushes.

"Bring em on"

Pretty easy to talk about war when you've never been there and your sitting behind a desk offering your opinions about it because you abdicated your duty.

I side with Nicky in the way of thinking that...Al Qaeda takes the rap for 9/11...we climb a few mountains..throw our hands up and say "Boy that Saddam really chaps my ass" "Since we're already in the Middle East anyway why not go mess with him?"

That's what I don't like about it....sure look what was going on. But this happens ALL OVER the world...and for us to just pick one place of wrongdoing is just not smart. We need to realize that not everyone is going to want a democracy...and the more we keep trying to push it down their throats the more people we're going to piss off.

Glad Saddams gone...rot in hell you worthless cold hearted piece of shit...and same goes to all the other sick twisted dictators of the world..

 

[Mandingo]

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We dont just "help people" the ammount of money it takes to fund a opperation this size isnt just thrown together to "help people"...we went there for 2 things...get Saddam out of power...and get control of the oil, along the way we can help people out.

Partly right.

 

[cavincali]

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If someone is a threat to the United States then that person needs to stop being a threat. If someone is a threat to their own people then those people need to stand up and make that person stop being a threat. If those people can't do it then anybody that can needs to step up to the plate only problem is that this used to be a Democracy of some sort, not sure what the hell it is now after hearing you guys support what went on. If we are to go into battle as a country for what ever reason then Congress has to give the go ahead and it can't be lied to.

I don't think anybody should be killed by the state. My view is that if someone is a threat you contain that threat if you can only contain it by death then so be it but im not an eye for an eye person. I have no problem killing anybody or anything if they are a direct threat to my family, friends or myself. That being said if i lived in Iraq and Saddam was in power i would have probably been one of the ones in the wood chipper because i would have tried to oust him from power myself.

The point that im trying to make here is that this war was wrong so no matter what the end result is that still doesn't justify the fact that we went into war illeagally. All that was needed was for someone to say "Hey, we need to stop this guy from murdering his people" and none of this dialog here would have been going on.

Have you no good decency??? Have you ever heard about the good Samaritan???

People like you are the reason the world is a crap-hole. If you were walking down an alley and some guy was raping and beating some chick, she was screaming in agony and in fear would you just walk by becuase it didnt affect you.

THATS BULLSHIT. YOUR BULLSHIT.

You see the comparison, or does it not affect you??? A defenseless girl, and the defenseless citizens of a country. How the hell were they suppose to overtake saddam, smartass. Make a cult??? Get real.

And cdt this does not happend all over the world, your trying to sugar coat the situation.

 

[RuanuLaw]

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Yeah i know that quote, its by Martin Niemoller. I posted it in a previous thread. You don't understand how America is supposed to work. No point in arguing with you on it.

So now you insult me? Glad we had this so called debate then.

Just cause something is supposed to work one way and it does not, does not mean that the rest of us are oblivious to what is going on. In fact, I'd say that it is you that needs to wake up and see how things really work in the world. I don't know why you are so hung up on how the "country is supposed to work" when everybody else lives in the "country that is acctually working....reality".

 

[James]

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CDT, there are very few Politicians that have actually even seen the battlefield. Bob Dole and John McCain are probably the 2 best examples of people who have actually experienced a real war, so you think having some American Hero in office will make him more credible? Because last i checked Dole lost that election...Clinton didnt really dodge going to war, but he was suposed to go and he decided to stay in school.

 

[cdt]

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No, I'm saying treating war as something nonchalant like going to the dry cleaners is a load of bullshit and a slap in the face to those over there.

I'm saying HAD Bush fulfilled his duty he wouldn't have these guys over there fighting an unnecessary war..

He wouldn't say "bring on" roadside bombs ambushes and etc...

The man is an ignorant jackass..he doesn't have an original thought in his head...sure he went to a prestigious school but Daddy had to of forced him through it as he was nearly booted several times due to cocaine use..