The 2020 Cleveland Indians

[Chris]

Yep. I'm sure Lindor likes it here fine. He just likes $400 million over 10 years and a big market, a lot better. Would trade him for a haul if given the opportunity, but no way am I just giving him away because we "know he's gone," though.

 

[bboy]

I think the real question is that if it becomes clearly obvious that we cant sign him (which it may be) when do we get the best value for him? Is it better to trade him this winter? At the trade deadline? keep him all year?

 

[sportscoach]

I think the real question is that if it becomes clearly obvious that we cant sign him (which it may be) when do we get the best value for him? Is it better to trade him this winter? At the trade deadline? keep him all year?

With Lindor any team for the most part would take him, but only large markets who are confident they can resign him would give a deal that’s half way decent and after this winter his value even to them would go down in how much they would be willing to give up for him. Indians to me will be a contender in the central in both 2020 and probably 2021 because of the fact we can put out the same team in both years in the end. Under this bargaining agreement we would get another pick in the 1st round for him if he walks as a free agent.

The biggest question is in my mind is who we get in a trade able to keep us in the contender mode and set us up for the future as well? Honestly I don’t think so to be honest. By 2022/2023 will we have a possibly solid replacement coming up, yes, but before then no. We have a very good looking team going into 2020 and 2021 so I think they are just going to ride out Lindor and hope the new bargaining agreement/new minority owner can find a way to keep Lindor here.

 

[JDailey23]

Trade Lindor ASAP. Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but for the last couple years it’s been well known he isn’t sticking around.
When does it become a distraction to the owners/players/coaches and even fans.

 

[Stark]

Lindor is one of the greatest Indians I've ever seen and simply is going to end up out of our price range.

I just hope he goes to the Dodgers or Cardinals or some other NL team (besides the Cubs/Reds) so I don't have to watch him kick our ass every year.

 

[bushwick_bill]

If he goes to the Yankees I will throw up.

 

[bboy]

With Lindor any team for the most part would take him, but only large markets who are confident they can resign him would give a deal that’s half way decent and after this winter his value even to them would go down in how much they would be willing to give up for him. Indians to me will be a contender in the central in both 2020 and probably 2021 because of the fact we can put out the same team in both years in the end. Under this bargaining agreement we would get another pick in the 1st round for him if he walks as a free agent.

The biggest question is in my mind is who we get in a trade able to keep us in the contender mode and set us up for the future as well? Honestly I don’t think so to be honest. By 2022/2023 will we have a possibly solid replacement coming up, yes, but before then no. We have a very good looking team going into 2020 and 2021 so I think they are just going to ride out Lindor and hope the new bargaining agreement/new minority owner can find a way to keep Lindor here.

Good points but I think we should definitely be able to stay a contender in a Lindor trade. I trust the front office to get a stellar deal out of this. I just cant see them riding this out to the end ...they are always proactive in my opinion.

 

[MadThinker88]

I definitely think Lindor and his agent have eyes on "brighter lights" and marketing opportunities. When he/they turned down buying any arb years back when the Indians first offered, the writing was on the wall. I expect him to be a Dodger.

I don't think it was an issue of buying the arbitration years.. It was the multiple FA years after that at an AAV under $15M per year (over the whole contract).
I can understand why he passed on it since he has money coming in via endorsements unlike most other players.
The endorsements served as a security net for him. Most players look at the contractual guarantees as their security net.

 

[chuck0609]

Trade Lindor ASAP. Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but for the last couple years it’s been well known he isn’t sticking around.
When does it become a distraction to the owners/players/coaches and even fans.

I agree that he’s leaving. I also believe it’s a mistake for the Tribe to play him his market value.
The shopping can start, but unless they get the mega deal, the plan should be to certainly keep him through the next season. This team should be very good in 20.

 

[dkbldev]

Will be fascinating to see how Indians FO handle the Lindor situation. I am on the boat that he is gone and you need to trade him at some point. I also think the FO will do something very good when the time comes. Love him as an Indian and it will be wierd to see him in another uniform but it's a business.

 

[Steve_424]

I don't think it was an issue of buying the arbitration years.. It was the multiple FA years after that at an AAV under $15M per year (over the whole contract).
I can understand why he passed on it since he has money coming in via endorsements unlike most other players.
The endorsements served as a security net for him. Most players look at the contractual guarantees as their security net.

Lindor would've certainly have to give the team something in return for guaranteed money. Even one arb year probably would've done it.

 

[Derek]

@Steve_424 @MadThinker88

Buying arbitration years is a positive for the player. It locks them into guaranteed money at a much higher rate than they would usually get. What the player gives up in these extensions is typically adding a year or two before they hit the open market.

That's why the Indians have been able to lock up so many guys on pre-arb extensions. They are willing to pay more up front to add years of team control.

If all we wanted to do was buy arbitration years, Lindor would have jumped on that immediately.

 

[Steve_424]

A few bats I have interest in:

Ben Zobrist - he may retire, but he can still play, would fill a need at 2B, and could lead off to push Lindor down to #2 or #3 in the order.

Scooter Gennett - He was fantastic in 2017 and 2018 but never really seemed to get right in 2019 after getting injured early on. Could be a terrific bounce-back candidate.

Brett Gardner - At age 36, he's a fascinating free agent case in a league moving further and further away from paying older players. Do the Yanks want him back, and if not, what's his market? He'd help solidify LF and could possibly even lead off. But again, at what price?

Corey Dickerson - An all-star in 2017, Dickerson just can't seem to stay on the field. He was pretty good, though, in limited action this season.

 

[AZ_]

A few bats I have interest in:

Ben Zobrist - he may retire, but he can still play, would fill a need at 2B, and could lead off to push Lindor down to #2 or #3 in the order.

Scooter Gennett - He was fantastic in 2017 and 2018 but never really seemed to get right in 2019 after getting injured early on. Could be a terrific bounce-back candidate.

Brett Gardner - At age 36, he's a fascinating free agent case in a league moving further and further away from paying older players. Do the Yanks want him back, and if not, what's his market? He'd help solidify LF and could possibly even lead off. But again, at what price?

Corey Dickerson - An all-star in 2017, Dickerson just can't seem to stay on the field. He was pretty good, though, in limited action this season.

Curious what Zobrist has left after he found out his Jesus-obsessed wife was getting absolutely pumped by another dude and left the team for most of last season.

Heart goes out to the guy, but he needs to do what he needs to do in order to get his mind right.

That has to suck.

 

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