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Yep. For now Deshields is it. He's not awful and he can at least hit a little. And while he botches some plays in center he also makes some nice plays as well. He made a nice catch on a difficult play to end the White Sox rally last night.

I have a feeling that, just like this year, next year's centerfielder isn't in our organization yet.
 
I'll probably get scorched for this but what about giving Zimmer another shot? He can't be worse at the plate than Mercado and is at least as good of an outfielder . . .

I believe there is some concern that the once highly rated defensive prowess Zimmer was supposed to possess no longer exist or has degraded to a point its no longer a major factor. But depending on off-season moves he probably gets one last crack at platoon/4th OFer. He could see semi to regular time in CF if everything breaks right for him. IMO if Zimmer is playing regular time in our OF in 2021 we are probably in trouble.
 
Not sure if it was mentioned here or in the Pirates series thread, but Aaron Civale will be available out of the pen for the Wild Card round. Another weapon to serve as a bridge to Wittgren/Karinchak/Hand.
 
Dependent on our use of pitchers this weekend, the pen on paper looks elite for the first two rounds of the post season.

Hand, Karinchak, Wittgren, Perez, TMac, Quantrill, and Civale.
The second round will be five games in five days so we'll need a fourth starter unless the series only goes three games. So Civale won't be in the bullpen if we make it past the first round.

If we make it to the second round and it goes five games they will have to decide whether to start Bieber on short rest or go with McKenzie or Quantrill in the deciding game. I suppose that's a no-brainer when you've got the best starter in baseball, but I can't help but remember how starting Kluber on short rest worked out. Also, even if you win you could only start him once in the A.L. Championship series. We probably won't be in that position but it will be interesting if we are.
 
All this pitching talk. At this point, that is the least of my worries as it is this team's strength. The offense is another story. While we may have the best pitching staff in the league, the other teams we will be facing also have good pitching and our offense is near the bottom. Hopefully they get hot going into the playoffs.
 
Recap: Reporter Zack Meisel discussed the Indians’ postseason hopes and more

Zack Meisel


I think the Indians should talk trade with Toronto. Toronto is all hitting and weak pitching and Cleveland is the opposite. Thoughts.
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Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:17pm

@Kevin S. And much of that hitting fits the pre-arbitration profile the Indians covet. Makes sense to me.
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Kevin S.
Sep 25, 4:25pm

Bieber who they won’t keep could be the start with Bichette coming the other way. Build from there


Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:29pm

@Kevin S. Okay, well that's just not happening
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Kevin S.
Sep 25, 4:33pm

It’s the start of the trade. Bichette has Tatis stats. Bieber is at optimum value right now. He will never be higher. You get Bichette, Biggio and a player for Lindor and you have a balanced team. They will never win with imbalance and there are no offensive saviours on the farm. Even Lindors trade could turn out disappointing.


Brad V.
Sep 25, 4:34pm

@Kevin S. Bieber, the 25 year-old Cy Young, with 4 years of club control beyond this year, is already on the block?! lol
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Kevin S.
Sep 25, 4:37pm

And it is a team that will never win as configured. There is no offence. Lindor will be gone. Santana is done. Will they pay Ramirez and Hernandez. Obviously Bieber is a stud. But they won’t win with an unbalanced team.

Linda S.
Sep 25, 4:38pm

Absolutely not!!!


Patrick T.
Sep 25, 4:49pm

No way, Kevin S!


Kevin S.
Sep 25, 4:54pm

Next year outside of Ramirez and maybe Reyes there is not one offensive player who would start for a contending team. Certainly not in Minnesota or Chicago




Cody K.Sep 25, 4:03pm

Hello, with arod not being able to buy the Mets and the dolans looking to sell hopefully can you see arod buying the tribe?
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Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:11pm

@Cody K. I'll shoot J-Lo a text and get back to you
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Linda S.
Sep 25, 4:15pm




Hi Zack, which team do you think the Indians have the best shot against in the first round? The worst?
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Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:04pm

@Ben C. It seems as though they'll match up against either the Twins, White Sox, Yankees or A's. I'd say the White Sox and A's would be their ideal choices. If they're hosting the Yankees, I wonder if that's preferable to going to Minnesota. The Yankees haven't seen Bieber or Plesac. One key is, it's probably preferable to be in the 2/7-3/6 side of the bracket, otherwise you're likely tasked with going through both the Yankees and Rays before you get to the ALCS.
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Ben C.
Sep 25, 4:08pm

@Zack Meisel Thanks Zack! I’d love them to avoid the Twins at all costs.
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Brian R.
Sep 25, 4:05pm

Why do you think Frankie Lindor struggle so much in the clutch? Have you observed anything about his personality over the years to suggest he would be afraid of the moment? It's become incredibly frustrating
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Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:15pm

@Brian R. It's the opposite; he wants those moments. It's a tough thing to evaluate because of the sample size and the fact that every situation is different. But it's hard to ignore that it's gone on for two years. .172/.296/.310 this year in 71 PAs. .202/.295/.312 last year in 133 PAs. Early on this year, I chalked it up to the team being so desperate for offense that he just put way too much pressure on himself to deliver. Regardless, they're going to need that to turn around by next week.
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Matt W.
Sep 25, 4:00pm

Will the radio broadcasters go on the road for the playoffs?
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Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:09pm

@matt W. I was under the impression broadcasters were continuing their regular season routines during the playoffs, but just to double check, I sent out a bat signal. Will update here if I hear back before the end of the chat.
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Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:11pm

Confirmed: Staying in CLE
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Matt W.
Sep 25, 4:05pm

Why can't this Indians team consistently score runs? It's a great line up on paper.


Kevin S.
Sep 25, 4:12pm

It’s not a great lineup. Santana is in decline and every player after Reyes should be a backup player not a starter. Exception is Perez whose defensive value and handling pitchers makes him a starter regardless of average. Trade with Toronto who have many good batters we’ll under 30. Several under 25.
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Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:17pm

@matt W. Well, the bottom 4/9ths of the lineup has been rather horrendous. The top 5/9ths looks good on paper, but at least two of those five have been ice cold at all times. And they don't hit for enough power to make up for that. They're 27th in the majors in slugging, so it usually requires a bunch of hits strung together to produce a multi-run inning (a la the 7th last night), and that's tough to do when only a couple guys are in a groove at a time.
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Matthew C.
Sep 25, 4:54pm

Not a question, just a fun thing: After the Rockies and Diamondbacks play their doubleheader today, Cleveland will be the only team who has not played a 7-inning game this season.
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Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:57pm

@Matthew C. [checks forecast] Phew. We're clear. They did play that double header in late July before the 7-inning rule was instituted.

Michael J.
Sep 25, 3:52pm

Why do you think they left Roberto Perez in to run in the top of the 10th on Tuesday? It seems like the benefit to having 3 catchers on the roster is the ability to pinch run/pinch hit if the situation calls for it. I get that he wasn't even the tying run, but I'd still rather see a fresh Mercado out there on 2nd than Bebo after he's already caught 9 innings.
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Brian R.
Sep 25, 4:03pm

@Michael J. If it was a 1-run game then Sandy definitely would have replaced him
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Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:05pm

@Michael J. I believe I asked the same question out loud when the inning started. Never got a chance to ask Sandy about it because of the madness that ensued afterward. My guess is he didn't want to burn a player who he might have used as a pinch-hitter.

Ryan L.
Sep 25, 4:07pm

Three unrelated questions:

(1) Any chance the team picks up Brad Hand's or Carlos Santana's option and/or resigns Cesar Hernandez?

(2) What is Tito's role the rest of the season?

(3) Did the team have an idea Clev might break down before trading him? That trade is looking pretty good, right now, particularly if Quantrill becomes a starter. (Will he become a starter on this team?)
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Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:25pm

@Ryan L. 1) No to Santana's option, though that doesn't necessarily mean his CLE tenure will end. They could exercise Hand's option and flip him like they did Kluber. I'd be surprised if Hernandez returned, but I really don't have any idea what the free-agent market will look like, so I wouldn't say 0%.

2) As this very moment, cheerleader. He's in the team's bubble just in case (and so he can still interact with everyone even if not in the dugout), and he said he's trying to get back to full strength to help out, but they're taking it day by day. He won't manage this weekend.

3) There's always a bit of fear about his delivery because it's so unorthodox and violent, but I don't think they knew he would specifically injure himself a few weeks later, no. They do want to see Quantrill as a starter and Quantrill would prefer to start if given the choice.
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Jessica G.
Sep 25, 4:07pm

What kind of contract is Santana expected to get next year and is there mutual interest in making something work for him to stay?
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Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:32pm

@jessica G. Tough to know what free agency will look like this winter. It seems like every team will cry poor (shhh, don't mention the massive deal the league and Turner Sports announced yesterday). Santana has always talked about wanting to play in Cleveland until he's 90, so maybe he'd be willing to work something out on the team's terms... if the team will have him back. They could also turn to Josh Naylor, Bobby Bradley or Jake Bauers.
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Jessica G.
Sep 25, 4:39pm

Thanks. I sure hope they figure something out. He's getting up there but with the likelihood of Lindor and Hand being gone next year and a fairly young roster, Los would give them some solid vet leadership.
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Kelly M.
Sep 25, 4:05pm

Not that he’d receive any votes, but is Sandy Alomar eligible for the Manager of the Year Award as an acting manager?
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Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:41pm

@Kelly M. Based on conversations with other writers, I *think* he's eligible, but I don't have a definitive answer. It's a good question, and one Manager of the Year voters are going to need to solve in the next couple days.
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Brian W.
Sep 25, 4:15pm

Name 1 under the radar hitter and pitcher that needs to step up for the team to make a deep run.


Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:47pm

@Brian W. These aren't under any radar, but for hitter: They need at least one of Reyes, Santana or Naquin to catch fire. For pitcher: They need Karinchak to pull a 2016 Miller/Allen.
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Brian W.
Sep 25, 4:16pm

Any updates on how players fared at Eastlake?
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Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:49pm

@Brian W. Difficult to assess fairly, just because they were playing fake games and there wasn't anything at stake and we weren't allowed there so we can only go by whatever vague reports are provided. The 12 players included on the taxi squad can at least reveal (in some instances) which players the team thinks could help them right away.

Brian W.
Sep 25, 4:17pm

If Cesar Hernandez would take the exact same contract he had this year would the Indians offer it to him?
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Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:50pm

@Brian W. Ask me again in six weeks. This winter is really difficult to predict, from a league-wide lens.
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Alex J.
Sep 25, 4:19pm

Who do you think starts in the outfield for the first round? I would go with Luplow, Mercado, Naquin/Naylor
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Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:52pm

@alex J. It seems like DeShields is their guy in CF. You'll see Luplow against lefties and Naquin and Naylor against righties. There's still an opening in LF against lefties.


Alex J.
Sep 25, 4:57pm

Do you think platooning our outfielders so frequently is what has contributed to their lack of production?





Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 5:06pm

@alex J. It's taken time for some guys to get going (Luplow has been much better in September), and it's tough when we're evaluating small sample sizes and the team is trying to mix and match to find the right combinations. Like, Daniel Johnson received 12 at-bats. We shouldn't be drawing any conclusions about him yet. Oscar Mercado has had a rough year, but it's a tiny sample in the grand scheme.

Brett N.
Sep 25, 4:57pm

What is the case for Hedges being on the roster ahead of Zimmer? Zimmer obviously did not hit much, but his stats are comparable to the other outfielders on the roster. But he is valuable as a late inning defender, pinch runner... or even as a guy who has a non zero chance to hit one out. Carrying 3 catchers just seems pointless.





Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 5:07pm

@brett N. I would think (and I can't say for sure because I'm shocked they've kept three catchers this long) they'd drop a catcher and add someone like Zimmer or Johnson that they could use strategically.
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Brad V.
Sep 25, 4:20pm

What are the chances we see a Scott Moss audition out of the bullpen in the Pittsburgh series? OP is really the only reliable lefty out of the pen (aside from Hand)...





Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:54pm

@Brad V. That's where I thought they might try out Hentges, but it seems like it's too late to give someone an audition for a postseason role. This weekend is wide open. My guess is there will be a bullpen day Sunday. Not sure if they'll add any newcomers to the mix. (It's incredible they're still carrying three catchers.)
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Brian R.
Sep 25, 4:25pm

With Clase suspended, what is he spending his time doing?
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Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:54pm

@Brian R. Throwing. Long walks on the beach. More throwing.

Brad V.
Sep 25, 4:30pm

Was a Nolan Jones promotion this year ever seriously considered?
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Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 5:00pm

@Brad V. When I asked about it a few weeks ago, it didn't sound like it. He's now in AZ with a bunch of other prospects at the team's training camp.

Zack Meisel

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Dan J.
Sep 25, 4:48pm

My friend Tony has been debating me all week in regards to him wanting the Indians to play the Yankees in the first round. Can you please explain to him why Oakland, Tampa or even the twins is a better match up for the tribe in the first round?

Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:59pm

@Dan J. You sure your friend's name isn't Ken Carman? To be completely honest, a three-game series is effectively a coin flip. The Yankees have significant pitching questions. They've lost four of five since their long winning streak. I will say, in my mind, it's preferable to be on the side of the bracket with the Astros and the 2/3 seeds than potentially have to get through both the Yankees and Rays to reach the ALCS.
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Elizabeth A.
Sep 25, 4:13pm

Will the team try Franmil in the outfield again next spring training?


Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:37pm

@Elizabeth A. I would certainly think so. Seems like a waste not to.
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Matthew C.
Sep 25, 4:14pm

I know they're going to slash payroll because of reasons, but do you think they'll really decline Hand's modest $10m option? He's been incredibly effective this year. If they picked it up could they really not find someone willing to trade for him?
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Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:39pm

@Matthew C. I'd think they would *try* to find a taker for him so they can get something in return

Dominic A.
Sep 25, 4:09pm

Hey Zack, I’ve been intrigued by the hype around big hurler Sam Hentges. From what I’ve heard he can throw 100mph from the left side. Why aren’t the Indians all over him right now and do you think we can see him in the playoffs?

Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:33pm

@Dominic A. Here's what I wrote in a piece that went up about an hour ago: I thought the Indians might experiment with 24-year-old Sam Hentges in such a role. He’s a towering lefty with a fastball that now can reach the upper 90s. Hentges is part of the Indians’ 40-player pool from which they’ll draw their 28-man playoff roster, but if he hasn’t made an appearance yet, it sure doesn’t seem as though that’s in the cards.
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Dominic A.
Sep 25, 4:35pm

I will most definitey read that. Thanks!




Edward C.
Sep 25, 4:00pm

Any word on Brady Aiken/his status/future?





Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:08pm

@Edward C. Nothing since Spring Training 1.0, in which he had reported to camp but wasn't on any specific ramp-up plan. Will try to get an update in the near future.
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Edward C.
Sep 25, 4:14pm

@Zack Meisel thanks. know it's a weird season but his situation was weird to begin with!




William F.
Sep 25, 4:07pm

Is there a seed/ matchup in the first round of the playoffs that is looking most likely for the Tribe ??





Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:26pm

@William F. They'll either be the 2, 4, 5 or 7. Tough to say what's likely because the Indians get the luxury of hosting the Pirates while the Twins/White Sox are facing two teams (Cubs, Reds) that have plenty to play for.
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Erik N.
Sep 25, 4:08pm

Do you think Carlos Santana stays in the cleanup spot for postseason? he has been struggling mightily and Ramirez will never see a pitch if so
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BILLY C.
Sep 25, 4:18pm

I wish Franmill would have hit his way into that spot. I'm also worried about people just pitching around him to the .170 Santana





Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:33pm

@Erik N. Yeah, I don't think they'll make any changes to that order this late in the year.

Zack Meisel
23h ago

The question about whether Alomar is eligible for Manager of the Year votes: According to the BBWAA, typically whomever is receiving the official W/L on their record is the one eligible for votes, which would be Francona.
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Dan J.
Sep 25, 4:10pm

What do you see Tristen McKenzie’s role being this postseason out of the pen? You think they might try to use him similar to how Miller was used or is that too much ask of him?





Zack Meisel
Sep 25, 4:34pm

@Dan J. Too much. He's barely pitched in two years and has never pitched in relief, so don't expect him to pitch in back-to-back-to-back games or anything like that. They can use him for 2-3 innings at a time every so often. They also might still need him as a starter if they make a run.
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Eric C.
 
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Interesting point about how it might be better to end up 7th so we don't have to go through the Yankees and Rays to get to the A.L. Championship series. But like Zach said, a three-game series is a coin flip and we might have an advantage over anybody in a five-game series with no off days.

The bottom line is if this team doesn't hit it won't matter - they'll be out quickly. You can't rely on great pitching and a Jose Ramirez three-run home run every day.

As for the fan who was banging on about trading pitching for hitting with the Blue Jays, that seems like a good idea especially if we are losing Lindor and possibly Santana next year. But after having traded Kluber, Bauer, and Clevinger you wonder how many starters we can afford to move. If we are confident that McKenzie, Civale, Allen, and Quantrill can all be effective BOR starters next year then I could see trading Carrasco since it would also reduce payroll. Then trade Lindor for another bat.

The Indians have been trading for outfield bats in an attempt to overcome their failures in the draft; Bauers, Naylor, Mercado, Luplow, Daniel Johnson. I think they're hoping a couple of them will step up. They've made some statements about being high on Johnson. Luplow is hitting well in September. But there's no question we need the next Michael Brantley and it probably makes sense to trade a young starter or package Lindor and a starter to get that guy if he's available.

Another option would be to sign a full-time DH if one is available like the Twins did with Nelson Cruz (although there won't be anybody that good on the market). Move Reyes to right field. He wants to play the outfield and maybe he'll hit better if he's more involved in the game. Then you could platoon Naquin and Luplow in left and platoon Johnson and Mercado in center.
 
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Interesting point about how it might be better to end up 7th so we don't have to go through the Yankees and Rays to get to the A.L. Championship series. But like Zach said, a three-game series is a coin flip and we might have an advantage over anybody in a five-game series with no off days.

The bottom line is if this team doesn't hit it won't matter - they'll be out quickly. You can't rely on great pitching and a Jose Ramirez three-run home run every day.

As for the fan who was banging on about trading pitching for hitting with the Blue Jays, that seems like a good idea especially if we are losing Lindor and possibly Santana next year. But after having traded Kluber, Bauer, and Clevinger you wonder how many starters we can afford to move. If we are confident that McKenzie, Civale, Allen, and Quantrill can all be effective BOR starters next year then I could see trading Carrasco since it would also reduce payroll. Then trade Lindor for another bat.

The Indians have been trading for outfield bats in an attempt to overcome their failures in the draft; Bauers, Naylor, Mercado, Luplow, Daniel Johnson. I think they're hoping a couple of them will step up. They've made some statements about being high on Johnson. Luplow is hitting well in September. But there's no question we need the next Michael Brantley and it probably makes sense to trade a young starter or package Lindor and a starter to get that guy if he's available.

Another option would be to sign a full-time DH if one is available like the Twins did with Nelson Cruz (although there won't be anybody that good on the market). Move Reyes to right field. He wants to play the outfield and maybe he'll hit better if he's more involved in the game. Then you could platoon Naquin and Luplow in left and platoon Johnson and Mercado in center.
Why are Mercado and Naquin even in the conversation? Neither have shown anything this season to suggest they are even part of the answer going forward.
 
Why are Mercado and Naquin even in the conversation? Neither have shown anything this season to suggest they are even part of the answer going forward.

You cannot say they are out of the equation though either. Naquin had a good year last season until he tore his ACL. Plus he had no spring training so i am not really counting this season towards him. Mercado had a very good season last year and had an off season this year. I dont know why we are throwing out a kid with less than one full season, out to the curb.

I dont know why they would right either guy off as part of the roster going forward. Get both guys healthy and a full spring training then evaluate them after that.

We gave up on Aguilar because he was blocked and he went and had 30 HRs. Its too soon to write off either guy. Now that being said, they need someone to step up, and if they don't then yeah, write them off, but you have to actually see how they respond from this season before you do so.
 
Has he had this hair for long or is it new?


New development. They had commented upon it during STO broadcast stating that José held him down and took the clippers to him.

I'm simply pleased to see he shaved that pre-pubescent white van driving pedophile moustache thing he had growing on his upper lip.
 
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Interesting point about how it might be better to end up 7th so we don't have to go through the Yankees and Rays to get to the A.L. Championship series. But like Zach said, a three-game series is a coin flip and we might have an advantage over anybody in a five-game series with no off days.

The bottom line is if this team doesn't hit it won't matter - they'll be out quickly. You can't rely on great pitching and a Jose Ramirez three-run home run every day.

As for the fan who was banging on about trading pitching for hitting with the Blue Jays, that seems like a good idea especially if we are losing Lindor and possibly Santana next year. But after having traded Kluber, Bauer, and Clevinger you wonder how many starters we can afford to move. If we are confident that McKenzie, Civale, Allen, and Quantrill can all be effective BOR starters next year then I could see trading Carrasco since it would also reduce payroll. Then trade Lindor for another bat.

The Indians have been trading for outfield bats in an attempt to overcome their failures in the draft; Bauers, Naylor, Mercado, Luplow, Daniel Johnson. I think they're hoping a couple of them will step up. They've made some statements about being high on Johnson. Luplow is hitting well in September. But there's no question we need the next Michael Brantley and it probably makes sense to trade a young starter or package Lindor and a starter to get that guy if he's available.

Another option would be to sign a full-time DH if one is available like the Twins did with Nelson Cruz (although there won't be anybody that good on the market). Move Reyes to right field. He wants to play the outfield and maybe he'll hit better if he's more involved in the game. Then you could platoon Naquin and Luplow in left and platoon Johnson and Mercado in center.

A lot of this falls into plays if Naylor turns out to be the player the Tribe staff envision he is capable of becoming. The dude undoubtedly has tangible power. But if he is able to fully field an outfield corner or 1B the dominoes fall.

Reyes could also man a corner. We could then either bring Santana back at reduced rate as 1B/DH or call up Bradley and Bauers to finally figure out if one of them is a major league starter talent.

May also see far more from Zimmer next spring and an in rhythm Tyler Naquin too. Who knows perhaps DJ steps up this offseason also.... And Luplow may shut us all up if he continues to hit pitchers from both L&R arms. He's capable at fielding out there.

Will say I hate having a noodle atmed center fielder heading into the postseason this time around. Serious liability.
 
A lot of this falls into plays if Naylor turns out to be the player the Tribe staff envision he is capable of becoming. The dude undoubtedly has tangible power. But if he is able to fully field an outfield corner or 1B the dominoes fall.

Reyes could also man a corner. We could then either bring Santana back at reduced rate as 1B/DH or call up Bradley and Bauers to finally figure out if one of them is a major league starter talent.

May also see far more from Zimmer next spring and an in rhythm Tyler Naquin too. Who knows perhaps DJ steps up this offseason also.... And Luplow may shut us all up if he continues to hit pitchers from both L&R arms. He's capable at fielding out there.

Will say I hate having a noodle atmed center fielder heading into the postseason this time around. Serious liability.
Yep, especially if they are very short on money and need to reduce payroll dramatically then they will just continue throwing mud on the wall and hope some combination of Naylor, Naquin, Mercado, Luplow, Johnson, Reyes, and Zimmer sticks. But there is a real possibility that we will lose Lindor, Hernandez, and Santana next year, which equates to a lot of offense in the infield. It won't be enough to have three outfielders who are just OK. We might have a lineup that has only two players capable of doing damage; Hosey and Franmil.
 

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