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Must of fully laid off the Cap’n Crunch then.Guess who this is:
Must of fully laid off the Cap’n Crunch then.Guess who this is:
If this season, despite being an abomination, is cancelled because the 2 sides can't agree on compensation, I hope it becomes Armageddon.
There are plenty of reasons this season will be a struggle. Safety being the most obvious. But if it gets cancelled over money? We talkin money? Then the hell with all of them. Hell, they should donate half their money to vaccine research.
If this is in response to me, I’m not talking about player development skills.Player development has changed. Places like Driveline can really accelerate a pitchers career. Indians seem to develop pitching better than most organizations.
That being said, there's nothing like playing games, which there will be no MiLB this season. But the kids will still physically grow. So I hope the organization has some plan for them.
I'm definitely not as plugged into the MLB draft as most on here (Especially with the new influx of talent from IBI), but perhaps it's taking a gamble that we can get a guy who might be a #1 overall type talent, later in the first round?If this is in response to me, I’m not talking about player development skills.
I have all the faith in the world in the Indians player development abilities.
However, highly drafted prep arms have such a low success rate compared to their peers that a guy’s profile really needs to stand out to warrant taking one in the first two rounds.
In short, if you’re drafting a prep arm, you need to think he’s the next Kershaw. Otherwise, the risk isn’t worth it.
That’s what I’m curious about.I'm definitely not as plugged into the MLB draft as most on here (Especially with the new influx of talent from IBI), but perhaps it's taking a gamble that we can get a guy who might be a #1 overall type talent, later in the first round?
I guess I really like the Espino pick, and he's the type of talent where, if he went to college, reached the top end of his projections and really lit it up, he'd be a guy who might go #1 overall, and certainly would be a guy selected outside of where the Indians could draft him.
Maybe we're gambling on elite potential guys in the first, knowing that we can develop more refined, but less physically gifted, guys later in the draft? Maybe we're comfortable finding the next Kluber, Bieber, Plesac, Civale, Plutko et al and we're willing to swing for the stars in the first because of that?
Like with any other prospect..there are characteristics that can be seen and projected from what is seen.. There is a grading system.. typically the 20/80 scale.. and it fits many pitchers.. A pitcher with a "current 55+/FV60" rating on a FB.. says he can get already to ML level velo.. have command of the pitch.. have control of the zone while pitching.. spins it in a higher percentile of his peers..etc. but.. may need honing/refinement.. couple this with physical qualities, baseball IQ, coachability, multiple sports successes and character.. & this is a guy the Indians will have interest in.. sort of like Lenny Torres.. not a huge guy by any means.. (is currently injured) but, as a draft pick, when he was selected.. this guy could be special..That’s what I’m curious about.
What are they seeing in the profile of these HS arms? Absurd spin rates? Something in their delivery?
I trust the organization to find and develop talent, so I’m interested in why they’re bucking the trend in this instance because the new age thinking is to avoid prep arms early in the draft.
Trust me when I say I'm not trying to be snippy, but I'm aware of all of this. Despite being a Cavs site, we have a really dedicated Indians section. 90% of my posts are in here.Like with any other prospect..there are characteristics that can be seen and projected from what is seen.. There is a grading system.. typically the 20/80 scale.. and it fits many pitchers.. A pitcher with a "current 55+/FV60" rating on a FB.. says he can get already to ML level velo.. have command of the pitch.. have control of the zone while pitching.. spins it in a higher percentile of his peers..etc. but.. may need honing/refinement.. couple this with physical qualities, baseball IQ, coachability, multiple sports successes and character.. & this is a guy the Indians will have interest in.. sort of like Lenny Torres.. not a huge guy by any means.. (is currently injured) but, as a draft pick, when he was selected.. this guy could be special..
There is an entire cottage industry of evaluation criteria.. some valid.. some Jup-like..
Thoughts?..
I think I got an idea on that one (part in bold). Think back to an underlying idea from MoneyBall - target & get good talents that are otherwise undervalued because most everyone is focusing in another direction.That’s what I’m curious about.
What are they seeing in the profile of these HS arms? Absurd spin rates? Something in their delivery?
I trust the organization to find and develop talent, so I’m interested in why they’re bucking the trend in this instance because the new age thinking is to avoid prep arms early in the draft.
I don't think we ever saw the league really fully transition away from drafting prep arms for them to become undervalued assets although it may have occurred specifically in the case of EspinoI think I got an idea on that one (part in bold). Think back to an underlying idea from MoneyBall - target & get good talents that are otherwise undervalued because most everyone is focusing in another direction.
For a while the Tribe was targeting (almost exclusively) college ready arms with some good success. Now other teams are looking for those arms so the Tribe moves toward the high upside HS arms.
That all said I would be interested in Jup's take on this as well.
Gson throwing shade.Like with any other prospect..there are characteristics that can be seen and projected from what is seen.. There is a grading system.. typically the 20/80 scale.. and it fits many pitchers.. A pitcher with a "current 55+/FV60" rating on a FB.. says he can get already to ML level velo.. have command of the pitch.. have control of the zone while pitching.. spins it in a higher percentile of his peers..etc. but.. may need honing/refinement.. couple this with physical qualities, baseball IQ, coachability, multiple sports successes and character.. & this is a guy the Indians will have interest in.. sort of like Lenny Torres.. not a huge guy by any means.. (is currently injured) but, as a draft pick, when he was selected.. this guy could be special..
There is an entire cottage industry of evaluation criteria.. some valid.. some Jup-like..
Thoughts?..
I don't know much about the Indians drafting any longer Mad. Most of the people I knew that worked on the player development side (like Falvey, Atkins) have moved on or I haven't been in touch with (Binder, Buckle) the last few years, so it is hard to have a feel for their current philosophy. Sorry not much help on this one.I think I got an idea on that one (part in bold). Think back to an underlying idea from MoneyBall - target & get good talents that are otherwise undervalued because most everyone is focusing in another direction.
For a while the Tribe was targeting (almost exclusively) college ready arms with some good success. Now other teams are looking for those arms so the Tribe moves toward the high upside HS arms.
That all said I would be interested in Jup's take on this as well.
Can they get spin rates on high school pitchers? Are they allowed to bring them to a facility equipped with the required high speed cameras?That’s what I’m curious about.
What are they seeing in the profile of these HS arms? Absurd spin rates? Something in their delivery?
I trust the organization to find and develop talent, so I’m interested in why they’re bucking the trend in this instance because the new age thinking is to avoid prep arms early in the draft.