The 2021 Cleveland Baseball Organization

[sportscoach]

Dude has all of 118 AB's in the NL is changing leagues really a big factor here?

Honestly when it comes to knowledge, it's easier to learn about a hitter than it is a pitcher so switching leagues, the advantage lies towards the pitchers at first. With limited knowledge of MLB pitchers and most of them being NL East pitchers, in theory he has a lot to learn with likely of having some adjustments from last year since the AL pitchers have his scouting report. It also doesn't help he went to a division who likes to throw out an abnormal amount of lefties as well.

 

[Criznit]

Berto to the IL - no more Gamel... Maybe...

Indians Place Roberto Perez On IL, Select Rene Rivera, DFA Ben Gamel

The Indians have placed catcher Roberto Perez on the 10-day injured list with a fractured right ring finger, selected the …

www.mlbtraderumors.com

 

[Real Deal]

Berto has been absolutely dreadful at the dish these last 2 years. I mean there might not be a worse hitting catcher. Which is extremely disappointing because 2019 he was one of the best.

 

[sportscoach]

Berto has been absolutely dreadful at the dish these last 2 years. I mean there might not be a worse hitting catcher. Which is extremely disappointing because 2019 he was one of the best.

Well he had a shoulder injury and an ankle injury last season and right now he has a broken pinky finger. I cannot exactly blame him for the issues and if he wasnt the best catcher defensively in the league plus a good leader, he would be at AAA with the way he has been hitting.

 

[Derek]

Berto has hitting the ball really well this year before he got hurt.

That’s why the bar is so much lower for catchers in terms of hitting. These guys get their asses kicked.

 

[xmasbuck]

Berto has been absolutely dreadful at the dish these last 2 years. I mean there might not be a worse hitting catcher. Which is extremely disappointing because 2019 he was one of the best.

he's not even the worst hitting catcher on the team!

 

[Derek]

Let's stop cluttering the MiLB thread

Really?

You are around this forum every day, and a highly respected poster.

You can not have possibly missed the literally scores of post denigrating Tito and the FO for, among other things, retaining Bauers over Bradley, playing Naylor every day, instead of bringing up Johnson, not trading Lindor a year ago, not trading Jose yet, not going into full rebuild, retaining Hedges, yada yada yada.

Its not ghosts of message boards past, its ghosts of this message board now.

Fans simply do not understand...or refuse to acknowledge...that every roster decision is and has been made with a lot of thought and with a lot of input by professional baseball people with long track records of success.

And they do it with their hands tied behind their backs, playing high stakes poker with nickles and dimes.

On the surface there is absolutely no way this organization should put anything above an annual second division club on the field....circa 1960s, 1970s, 1980s. Given the vastly deeper pockets of the other owners in this division, we shouldn't even be competitive in the AL Central.

But somehow, some way, this FO does...every year. And they do it by making the right decisions nearly every time...decisions that are constantly criticized daily on here.

That is not respect. Its not even recognition.

Then, later, those same posters insist that they were always on board with the sames decisions they trashed a year, a month, even a week ago.

I was speaking mainly in regards to your Brantley and Reyes quips. None of that happened here, and most of the other stuff in this post was not mentioned in your previous post.

I also believe you're misconstruing critiques of Tito for critiques of the FO.

I don't really believe anyone wanted Naylor benched. @CDAV45 is a critic of what he will ultimately become, but he never called for him to be benched.

@Out of the Rafters at the Q has been a huge proponent of Daniel Johnson over the years, but I know for a fact he holds our FO in high regard, and he didn't want Naylor benched either.

People can disagree with individual decisions made by the FO without thinking they're terrible at what they do. Again, almost everybody on this board holds a favorable opinion of our front office. I know they do.

You need to stop taking an argument made by a small number of people and applying it to everyone across the board. The two people who wanted Naylor benched aren't the same two people that want Gimenez benched, and the guy who wants to trade Jose today doesn't fall into either of those previous categories.

Saying that people were wrong about Brantley 10 years ago has nothing to do with an argument today with somebody who wants to bring up Arias for Gimenez.

If somebody happens to be wrong about Josh Naylor, it doesn't mean they won't be right in the next debate.

I was of the opinion that Civale was destined for the pen and that Plesac was nobody worth knowing. It seems I'm wrong on both counts, but it doesn't mean I'm wrong the next time I plant my flag and state my opinion.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Let's stop cluttering the MiLB thread

I was speaking mainly in regards to your Brantley and Reyes quips. None of that happened here, and most of the other stuff in this post was not mentioned in your previous post.

I also believe you're misconstruing critiques of Tito for critiques of the FO.

I don't really believe anyone wanted Naylor benched. @CDAV45 is a critic of what he will ultimately become, but he never called for him to be benched.

@Out of the Rafters at the Q has been a huge proponent of Daniel Johnson over the years, but I know for a fact he holds our FO in high regard, and he didn't want Naylor benched either.

People can disagree with individual decisions made by the FO without thinking they're terrible at what they do. Again, almost everybody on this board holds a favorable opinion of our front office. I know they do.

You need to stop taking an argument made by a small number of people and applying it to everyone across the board. The two people who wanted Naylor benched aren't the same two people that want Gimenez benched, and the guy who wants to trade Jose today doesn't fall into either of those previous categories.

Saying that people were wrong about Brantley 10 years ago has nothing to do with an argument today with somebody who wants to bring up Arias for Gimenez.

If somebody happens to be wrong about Josh Naylor, it doesn't mean they won't be right in the next debate.

I was of the opinion that Civale was destined for the pen and that Plesac was nobody worth knowing. It seems I'm wrong on both counts, but it doesn't mean I'm wrong the next time I plant my flag and state my opinion.

I'll say that I was a huge Daniel Johnson stan in 2019. Seeing him get a call-up this year was more cathartic than anything else.

I also think it's more helpful when people respond to specifics (like you try to do here), rather than waving hands wildly in the air generalizing things.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

So somebody named Albert Pujols was DFA'd today.
Yes, I'm going to speculate that the Indians consider picking him up. Obviously not on waivers, as the Indians would be on the hook for his $30 million contract. But maybe a small trade where the Angels cover most of the salary.
Why? And why would Pujols want to come here.
1. The Indians appear capable of contending in the central. Especially if they can stabilize the offense.
2. Our 1B position is sketchy, to say the least. Most other AL contenders have better 1B than us.
3. He will probably pick an AL team because of the DH.
4. Could you imagine what playing with a future HOF'er would have on a bunch of kids?

Probably won't happen. But wouldn't that be something.

 

[mopete12]

If the Indians pick up Albert Pujols then I think I would stop watching. I would much rather have Bauers and Yu Chang play 1B than have Albert for the league minimum.

 

[KluberSociety]

If the Indians pick up Albert Pujols then I think I would stop watching. I would much rather have Bauers and Yu Chang play 1B than have Albert for the league minimum.

But "clubhouse presence"...

 

[33Y0]

So somebody named Albert Pujols was DFA'd today.
Yes, I'm going to speculate that the Indians consider picking him up. Obviously not on waivers, as the Indians would be on the hook for his $30 million contract. But maybe a small trade where the Angels cover most of the salary.
Why? And why would Pujols want to come here.
1. The Indians appear capable of contending in the central. Especially if they can stabilize the offense.
2. Our 1B position is sketchy, to say the least. Most other AL contenders have better 1B than us.
3. He will probably pick an AL team because of the DH.
4. Could you imagine what playing with a future HOF'er would have on a bunch of kids?

Probably won't happen. But wouldn't that be something.

Hard pass.

 

[CDAV45]

Let's stop cluttering the MiLB thread

I was speaking mainly in regards to your Brantley and Reyes quips. None of that happened here, and most of the other stuff in this post was not mentioned in your previous post.

I also believe you're misconstruing critiques of Tito for critiques of the FO.

I don't really believe anyone wanted Naylor benched. @CDAV45 is a critic of what he will ultimately become, but he never called for him to be benched.

@Out of the Rafters at the Q has been a huge proponent of Daniel Johnson over the years, but I know for a fact he holds our FO in high regard, and he didn't want Naylor benched either.

People can disagree with individual decisions made by the FO without thinking they're terrible at what they do. Again, almost everybody on this board holds a favorable opinion of our front office. I know they do.

You need to stop taking an argument made by a small number of people and applying it to everyone across the board. The two people who wanted Naylor benched aren't the same two people that want Gimenez benched, and the guy who wants to trade Jose today doesn't fall into either of those previous categories.

Saying that people were wrong about Brantley 10 years ago has nothing to do with an argument today with somebody who wants to bring up Arias for Gimenez.

If somebody happens to be wrong about Josh Naylor, it doesn't mean they won't be right in the next debate.

I was of the opinion that Civale was destined for the pen and that Plesac was nobody worth knowing. It seems I'm wrong on both counts, but it doesn't mean I'm wrong the next time I plant my flag and state my opinion.

You're wasting your time. He wants what he is saying emphasized so badly that exaggerating points is common place. You hit the nail on the head in regards to my thoughts on Naylor. He's hitting well, but he may go into a week long slump starting next series. If he should do so, how I view him won't change. I've said it 50 times on here so I won't bother repeating myself again. If he wants to use hindsight to criticize someone, he should go back and reread his own posts.

This team is playing well right now, but there are a couple of guys with substandard performances to date. There are a couple of guys that probably shouldn't be on the roster. We faced the White Sox who have a couple of key players injured. We faced a KC team that is missing its starting SS and a couple of BP arms. We've avoided any major injuries other than Perez who has been absolutely horrid offensively. There's nothing wrong with mentioning/discussing ideas on how to improve this team. It is possible to appreciate what this team is doing right now while simultaneously discussing possible improvements.

 

[sportscoach]

So somebody named Albert Pujols was DFA'd today.
Yes, I'm going to speculate that the Indians consider picking him up. Obviously not on waivers, as the Indians would be on the hook for his $30 million contract. But maybe a small trade where the Angels cover most of the salary.
Why? And why would Pujols want to come here.
1. The Indians appear capable of contending in the central. Especially if they can stabilize the offense.
2. Our 1B position is sketchy, to say the least. Most other AL contenders have better 1B than us.
3. He will probably pick an AL team because of the DH.
4. Could you imagine what playing with a future HOF'er would have on a bunch of kids?

Probably won't happen. But wouldn't that be something.

If he can help develop the young guys and still hit lefties (willing to platoon at 1B) I am not against picking him up. I just don't think he would choose Cleveland since he would choose the best spot for a ring in likely his last season.

 

[Derek]

If he can help develop the young guys and still hit lefties (willing to platoon at 1B) I am not against picking him up. I just don't think he would choose Cleveland since he would choose the best spot for a ring in likely his last season.

I don’t think anybody trying to get a ring this year (us included) would have any interest in him.