No. You missed the point. There is no consensus either way and it wasn't problematic to everyone or even the majority? There are no "crutch agruments". Change the name if it makes you feel better about yourself, but I never had any negative connotations in my life as a Cleveland fan. I never thought any less of any particular group of people because of it. I've never even heard a single person mention anything of the sort in my lifetime until I heard people like you mention that it's offensive. I've personally heard more arguments from actual Native Americans to keep it than those that are offended by it, but I haven't done a thorough study nor will I.
There was no argument. Change the fucking name. I'm past caring, but there is no stance to change based on good reason that can't be countered. I'm sorry there isn't, but you're right in that it's a real slippery slope and I have no interest in going down it either so there wasn't an invitation to do so.
If then name was incorrect are you going to change it to a "correct name" to represent our people or just dismiss them altogether? The caricature has already been done away with so I don't even know why you brought that up. I don't recall you ever arguing that representing Native Americans with the name should be done in place of the name "Indians".
Bottom line, if it's a MLB in Cleveland then I'll follow it within reason. That was never my argument. What won't happen is someone like yourself telling me what my thoughts and intentions were following a team name.
Just to be clear--I still think you're on the same path as the previous statement.
A consensus or majority is not and should not be required to do the right thing.
I'll leave the "people like you" comment alone.
If you haven't heard people have a problem with the name, what do you think that says? To me, that doesn't say anything about the name, or the problems people have with it--it just tells us more about the specific bubble you live in.
The Wahoo caricature is part of the team's history. Yeah, it's been changed, but that's always going to be a part of the Indians--and why the name is going to be changed, while other names like the Braves and Chiefs, which more or less pay homage and represent their communities in a positive light, won't be.
I wouldn't have a problem with it, but I don't think switching to a better representation is viable--just like how the Washington Football Team isn't going to change to a name representative of indigenous people. Best to make a clean break.
I refuse to accept your statement that changing the team name is the same as dismissing the people. Those are not equivalent, and it's just inflammatory rhetoric designed to make an emotional appeal.
And, while we're on the topic of eschewing reasonable discussion in favor of emotional appeal, I never "told you what your thoughts and intentions were following a team name." I guess we're both in agreement that that's something that won't happen!
