The Kevin Stefanski: Two-Time Coach of the Year Thread

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Based on what lmao? The amount of times he missed similar throws all year?

The only hindsight analysis is the people who keep inflating the odds of these throws after they consistently don’t work and we have to hear, again and again, how they were actually super high percentage throws that through sheer terrible luck never get completed!

Jacoby's deep ball completion percentage this year is 32.7%

Now, that's for all throws. For the vast, vast majority of them, the player is not wide open.

I think it's reasonable to expect success in that situation. At the absolute worst, if you close your eyes and pretend like DPJ wasn't going to be wide open, you can say that was a 32.7% throw... which leads you to roughly 2.289 expected points (still higher than picking up the first down and expecting a touchdown on the drive).

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

I disagree. I don't think it matters who the QB is because the whole point is to get the WR open in the EZ and the expectation should be that any QB weather it's DW4, Jacoby, Mond, Josh Dobbs, or Baker Mayfield should be expected to complete that pass.

If that's the case, then why is Baker Mayfield still not the QB?

 

[CBBI]

Nope.

A lot of you claim to be process over results, yet think the process of putting your backup QB to hit a 30 yard shot on 4th and 1 is a good process.

I believe it was @Out of the Rafters at the Q who pointed it out first, but the Browns quite literally set up the Brissett 4th and 1 deep shot on Sunday a week in advance by taking Watson out of the game and sticking Jacoby in the game on a 4th and 1 against the Texans. They put that on tape the week before to literally set up this deep shot.

When Brissett comes into the game on a X and 1 situation, the the defense immediately thinks it's going to be a sneak and adjusts their personnel accordingly.

The Browns knew the Bengals would be expecting a sneak or a quick misdirection run. Cincinnati had 9 men in the box at the snap and MULTIPLE players bit on the play action fake.

The play design unquestionably worked the way the Browns wanted it to. The process that went into the decision unquestionably worked the way the Browns wanted it to. DPJ was 1-on-1 against a weak corner in Eli Apple and he beat him into the endzone for what should have been a touchdown.

Brissett just missed the throw. It is what it is.

Suggesting it was bad process because you didn't like it doesn't make it so. I didn't and don't like taking Watson off the field either and even said so in the game thread, but that doesn't mean the idea wasn't planned out and the play wasn't well designed.

 

[Los216]

Not much is eating at me with Stefanski. I think he's getting too cute when he has a franchise QB finally, but otherwise there are other issues at work here and a few that are necessary evils to maximize Watson as a QB.

I don't think we've seen enough in 2 games with one being on the road in HOU in DW4 first game back to say weather or not KS is getting too cute.

DW4 hasn't played a home game yet and he's probably not going to take a single snap with our full time starting C until next season.

If we were fully healthy then I would agree with you but we already have a patchwork O-Line and we have a 6 game sample size to work with. 4 games left to see but we're not going to get a full view of what we want to see this year.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

It's hilarious to me how this guy can do no wrong here.

Why do you and those who align with you keep saying the stupidest shit like this?

People in this thread who are defending this playcall also have criticisms of Stefanski--often in the same post. There are multiple from me in here and in the game thread talking about how much I disliked the 3rd and 1 call that led to this 4th and 1 shot.

Put away the unwarranted hyperbole. It's unproductive and when you boil it down, you're just lying.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

I'm telling you to simply not run the play. I understand the concept and the process that led to the play being called. And I'm saying the process is not a good process. We are leaning too heavily into misdirection and not enough into putting the ball into your QB1's hands.

I love you, but I genuinely don't believe this is true.

If you did, you wouldn't have been pounding the table pages ago for us to run the exact same play with Watson in there instead of Brissett.

Because if Watson is in there, the entire point of the play (the defense knowing we're sneaking, therefore giving us the wide open DPJ for a touchdown) isn't on the table.

 

[Los216]

If that's the case, then why is Baker Mayfield still not the QB?

Because a 4th and 1 on the road in CIN on our first offensive possession of the game when we're 5-7 and fighting for our playoff lives is only 1 of many situations where we need our QB to make a play. Having the ability to execute that play is just one play. There are ton of other factors that need to be weighed like the QB's ability to execute other plays. Like RPO's or QB sneaks. Or his ability to read the defense and make throws from a dirty pocket which we saw DW4 do multiple times yesterday.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Suggesting it was bad process because you didn't like it doesn't make it so. I didn't and don't like taking Watson off the field either and even said so in the game thread, but that doesn't mean the idea wasn't planned out and the play wasn't well designed.

Ok, I think people are getting confused.

The point where I think the process broke is at this moment. Taking Watson off the field during an important down is never going to be the right process to me. The play works and people wouldn't care, or in this case, DPJ is open and people will call it a good play. I understand it, and I understand that EPA says that the play works for the Browns.

What I'm saying is that, realistically, asking your backup QB to come in and hit a deep ball is such a high reward/extreme risk play from a coach who can do something equally as winning with his better QB. I'm not saying "run the play with Watson" because I understand that the play doesn't work with Watson. I'm not saying don't take the shot play.

I'm saying it's a play designed for a QB who should not have plays designed for him anymore.

 

[CBBI]

Ok, I think people are getting confused.

The point where I think the process broke is at this moment. Taking Watson off the field during an important down is never going to be the right process to me. The play works and people wouldn't care, or in this case, DPJ is open and people will call it a good play. I understand it, and I understand that EPA says that the play works for the Browns.

What I'm saying is that, realistically, asking your backup QB to come in and hit a deep ball is such a high reward/extreme risk play from a coach who can do something equally as winning with his better QB. I'm not saying "run the play with Watson" because I understand that the play doesn't work with Watson. I'm not saying don't take the shot play.

I'm saying it's a play designed for a QB who should not have plays designed for him anymore.

That's fair.

And I suspect that was Brissett's last snap of the season barring a Watson injury.

 

[Los216]

Ok, I think people are getting confused.

The point where I think the process broke is at this moment. Taking Watson off the field during an important down is never going to be the right process to me. The play works and people wouldn't care, or in this case, DPJ is open and people will call it a good play. I understand it, and I understand that EPA says that the play works for the Browns.

What I'm saying is that, realistically, asking your backup QB to come in and hit a deep ball is such a high reward/extreme risk play from a coach who can do something equally as winning with his better QB. I'm not saying "run the play with Watson" because I understand that the play doesn't work with Watson. I'm not saying don't take the shot play.

I'm saying it's a play designed for a QB who should not have plays designed for him anymore.

I would agree with this more if yesterday wasn't DW4 second game of the season. If DW4 had only missed 4 or 6 games this year then this play is probably not an option. DW4 lack of playing time and Jacoby's amount of playing time were probably weighed in the decision to keep this play in the cards.

People probably don't want to hear this but DW4 is not going to see the entire playbook in these last 4 games. There's not enough time left in the season for most of the situational plays to even present themselves.

That would explain the post earlier about KS being more conservative with DW4 than Jacoby. It's been 2 games and we're in week 14. How much of the playbook to people think DW4 is going to really see in the game?

 

[Triplethreat]

I would agree with this more if yesterday wasn't DW4 second game of the season. If DW4 had only missed 4 or 6 games this year then this play is probably not an option. DW4 lack of playing time and Jacoby's amount of playing time were probably weighed in the decision to keep this play in the cards.

People probably don't want to hear this but DW4 is not going to see the entire playbook in these last 4 games. There's not enough time left in the season for most of the situational plays to even present themselves.

That would explain the post earlier about KS being more conservative with DW4 than Jacoby. It's been 2 games and we're in week 14. How much of the playbook to people think DW4 is going to really see in the game?

Ah yes. An entire training camp plus 4 weeks of practice before your first game was not enough to learn the entire playbook.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

What exactly do people want everybody to be mad at about KS?

Like????

Okay. Let's do this then. What's eating at you?

The fact that many fans such as yourself think the head coach of an underperforming 5-8 team should get no criticism

 

[Triplethreat]

The fact that many fans such as yourself think the head coach of an underperforming 5-8 team should get no criticism

Some people are just okay with losing. Real results don’t matter. Future potential and being the on paper champions is all they can see.

 

[Surge]

I'm upset with Kevin because every week he tells us it's on him. So I'm just being upset with who he's telling us to be upset with.

Even more than the playcalling, I'm upset with the penalties. We lack discipline. Fields commits the "Trojan Boner Of The Week" play by roughing the kicker, then trots back out there on the very next defensive play. It's only one tiny example, but I don't care if we had to come out in Dime, I'm not putting him right back out on the field.

 

[Urban]

Curious what our EPA is since the Bye Week. Plenty of factors to point too but the offense has been bad.