The Kevin Stefanski: Two-Time Coach of the Year Thread

[Triplethreat]

Jacoby has a deep ball completion percentage of 32% on the season....

When warm too.

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So yeah it was a shit call. Stop defending it.

 

[Los216]

The problem is that Jacoby consistently missed this throw all year besides like the one example you listed and then we get to hear all week how it was actually a great call because he SHOULD have made the throw

At a certain point it’s just not a good call

A play call that schemes a WR wide open in the EZ on a passing play is still a good call even if the QB can't make the throw. The play call and the play caller did what need to be done. The players have to actually execute though.

The drop that Cooper had against TB was a good play call too and the drop doesn't change that. The OPI TD called back against BAL was a good play call and the OPI doesn't change that.

If we're going to call plays that don't work because of lack of execution by the players or one player specifically a bad play call then what are we really doing here?

 

[Los216]

Jacoby has a deep ball completion percentage of 32% on the season....

When warm too.

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So yeah it was a shit call. Stop defending it.

If we used your logic then we would only do QB sneaks or Nick Chubb runs on 4th and 1 and we've been stopped several times thsi year on both plays in similar situations.

So tell me what the play call should've been on that 4th and 1 yesterday?

 

[Triplethreat]

If we used your logic then we would only do QB sneaks or Nick Chubb runs on 4th and 1 and we've been stopped several times thsi year on both plays in similar situations.

So tell me what the play call should've been on that 4th and 1 yesterday?

First and foremost, we should have run a read option on 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1.

The pressure on the Defense to defend both Chubb and Watson on that play would have been much greater and a much greater chance of success. We saw it on another 4th and 1 later in the game.

We need 1 yard, we don't need to go to the end zone there and we especially don't need our fucking back up QB in the game to be throwing it. It just doesn't make sense and you're outsmarting yourself doing it.

I don't know how you keep defending shit that just flat out didn't work and would only have worked AT BEST 3/10 times.

 

[kriegs]

Players apparently not learning fundamentals, lacking focus, and committing costly penalties is a legitimate concern under this coaching staff.

This staff is also one of the best in the league at offensive scheme, going for it on 4th down or on 2 pt conversions when it makes sense, etc.

But fans will overlook the true short comings and complain endlessly about the play calls week in and week out, why?

Because they ALWAYS know better.

 

[Los216]

First and foremost, we should have run a read option on 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1.

The pressure on the Defense to defend both Chubb and Watson on that play would have been much greater and a much greater chance of success. We saw it on another 4th and 1 later in the game.

We need 1 yard, we don't need to go to the end zone there and we especially don't need our fucking back up QB in the game to be throwing it. It just doesn't make sense and you're outsmarting yourself doing it.

I don't know how you keep defending shit that just flat out didn't work and would only have worked AT BEST 3/10 times.

We literally ran the ball on the prior play on 3rd and 1 for no gain. So you idea was to force the run again on a defense that dominated you in the trenches all game?

 

[Los216]

I'm still tripping on Jacoby Brissette being old on that 4th and 1 when outside of warmups in which both Jacoby and DW4 took part in, DW4 threw a whole 3 passes on that first drive before that 4th and 1. How is Jacoby coming in cold there?

 

[Triplethreat]

We literally ran the ball on the prior play on 3rd and 1 for no gain. So you idea was to force the run again on a defense that dominated you in the trenches all game?

Dude are you deaf?

I wanted a QB-RB option or even an RPO. I promise it has a much higher chance to be completed.

In fact if you want, Deshaun was 62% completion rate for the game. You could just drop him back and you have a MUCH, MUCH higher chance of conversion than 3/10 times. Just admit it was a shit call and KS has to get better.

We are losing games man, there is a reason for it. You defending everything is not admitting the reality of the situation which is that we are not performing to expectations. Especially not to YOUR OWN expectations that we are a super bowl contender.

 

[Los216]

As a team we ran for 71 yards yesterday. DW4 accounted for 33 of those yards. Chubb just 34. We're advocating for running the ball again or??????

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

The play call itself wasn't terrible. I like the shot, and I like giving the QB options. I would have been extremely pissed if we handed it off, because the rushing offense is kind of broken right now.

What I do think was terrible was putting Jacoby into the game to do this. Why do you have more faith in Jacoby to run that play vs Watson? You know, the 230 million dollar QB you acquired this off season? I get they wanted to trick the defense into thinking it was a sneak, and it worked! Unfortunately, it's still Jacoby Brissett throwing the ball.

I need to see more from Stefanski so far. Watson needs to be the focus of the offense now, rather than Chubb. We need to become a throw to run team, not a run to throw team. I get why they are giving Watson the limited offense, but I think Watson is showing that he's ready for more and it's time to do more with the offense.

I hope it's the last time we see Jacoby, to be honest.

 

[Los216]

Dude are you deaf?

I wanted a QB-RB option or even an RPO. I promise it has a much higher chance to be completed.

In fact if you want, Deshaun was 62% completion rate for the game. You could just drop him back and you have a MUCH, MUCH higher chance of conversion than 3/10 times. Just admit it was a shit call and KS has to get better.

We are losing games man, there is a reason for it. You defending everything is not admitting the reality of the situation which is that we are not performing to expectations. Especially not to YOUR OWN expectations that we are a super bowl contender.

You're arguing that we should stop calling plays that lead to WR's wide open in the EZ in favor of a play that you think has a higher success rate.

If KS calls a play and it leads to a wide open WR in the EZ why are you calling it a bad play?

 

[kriegs]

The play call itself wasn't terrible. I like the shot, and I like giving the QB options. I would have been extremely pissed if we handed it off, because the rushing offense is kind of broken right now.

What I do think was terrible was putting Jacoby into the game to do this. Why do you have more faith in Jacoby to run that play vs Watson? You know, the 230 million dollar QB you acquired this off season? I get they wanted to trick the defense into thinking it was a sneak, and it worked! Unfortunately, it's still Jacoby Brissett throwing the ball.

I need to see more from Stefanski so far. Watson needs to be the focus of the offense now, rather than Chubb. We need to become a throw to run team, not a run to throw team. I get why they are giving Watson the limited offense, but I think Watson is showing that he's ready for more and it's time to do more with the offense.

I hope it's the last time we see Jacoby, to be honest.

Most of the deception of calling that play is having Jacoby in there to begin with. He's our short yardage sneak specialist and if Watson is in on that play call I suspect the defense would have been significantly less surprised by play action there.

 

[Los216]

The play call itself wasn't terrible. I like the shot, and I like giving the QB options. I would have been extremely pissed if we handed it off, because the rushing offense is kind of broken right now.

What I do think was terrible was putting Jacoby into the game to do this. Why do you have more faith in Jacoby to run that play vs Watson? You know, the 230 million dollar QB you acquired this off season? I get they wanted to trick the defense into thinking it was a sneak, and it worked! Unfortunately, it's still Jacoby Brissett throwing the ball.

I need to see more from Stefanski so far. Watson needs to be the focus of the offense now, rather than Chubb. We need to become a throw to run team, not a run to throw team. I get why they are giving Watson the limited offense, but I think Watson is showing that he's ready for more and it's time to do more with the offense.

I hope it's the last time we see Jacoby, to be honest.

It's a situational play. CIN knows this. If you leave DW4 in the game then CIN is not playing the same defense that was designed to play the QB sneak. So you're probably calling a different play because they are going to give you a different look.

The whole point of the play call is to give your team the advantage and KS did just that. He schemed DPJ wide open in the EZ. Jacoby just missed him.

If everyone was covered on that play then I would agree with you that it was a bad call for that situation but the fact that we saw this play being setup last week in HOU leads me to believe that this play was designed and schemed for this exact situation and Jacoby just didn't execute.

We all know if Jacoby hits DPJ for a TD there the first thing people are going to do is point out the play in HOU where we brought Jacoby into the game and say this is what they were setting up. then we would all proceed to dunk on all the "reporters" who were asking the dub as QB controversy questions.

Jacoby ddn't hit DPJ for the TD but that does not mean that none of the other things I said aren't true. They are.

 

[chrisrich91]

Week in and week out with people nitpicking play calls. That game will never end. You will always be able to second guess those things, and the exercise is entirely worthless.

If the Anthony Schwartz end-around against the Bucs was unsuccessful we would have heard everyone complaining about being too "cute". But it scored a TD and everyone was cool.

All of these plays are coin flips. Go ahead and get mad over 1-2 play calls in a game that aren't executed successfully. Over a large sample size Stefanski is a good play caller, and that's the only way to judge a guy logically.

I'd find it much more apropos to discuss the failing offensive line than a bunk play. The OL woes are not a coin flip. And the shitty OL play is permeating and deteriorating the entire offense, not just one or two situational instances.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Most of the deception of calling that play is having Jacoby in there to begin with. He's our short yardage sneak specialist and if Watson is in on that play call I suspect the defense would have been significantly less surprised by play action there.

If that's true, then simply call a different play. It "worked" in a sense, but it also relies on Brissett being capable of picking up a single yard when not doing what he does best. There is a reason Brissett is a backup QB.

It's a situational play. CIN knows this. If you leave DW4 in the game then CIN is not playing the same defense that was designed to play the QB sneak. So you're probably calling a different play because they are going to give you a different look.

The whole point of the play call is to give your team the advantage and KS did just that. He schemed DPJ wide open in the EZ. Jacoby just missed him.

If everyone was covered on that play then I would agree with you that it was a bad call for that situation but the fact that we saw this play being setup last week in HOU leads me to believe that this play was designed and schemed for this exact situation and Jacoby just didn't execute.

We all know if Jacoby hits DPJ for a TD there the first thing people are going to do is point out the play in HOU where we brought Jacoby into the game and say this is what they were setting up. then we would all proceed to dunk on all the "reporters" who were asking the dub as QB controversy questions.

Jacoby ddn't hit DPJ for the TD but that does not mean that none of the other things I said aren't true. They are.

I don't disagree with any of this.

I think relying on Jacoby Brissett to make a play over Deshaun Watson isn't a good plan.