"The Last Dance"

Do Not Sell My Personal Information

RonG

All for one
Joined
Jul 16, 2008
Messages
5,469
Reaction score
7,171
Points
113
Amazing how such a dysfunctional organization won all those titles.
 

Bob_The_Cat

NBA Starter
Joined
Apr 18, 2010
Messages
4,403
Reaction score
4,464
Points
113
Amazing how such a dysfunctional organization won all those titles.
It helps to have Michael Jordan...
Obviously Jordan gets a ton of credit, but more than anything I think this shows how incredibly important Phil Jackson was beyond simply the X's and O's of the game.

Even without a secondary player like Pippen, I think the Cavs would've found a way to win at least one title in LeBron's first stint with a coach like Jackson leading the way. Mike Brown was over his head and didn't have the personality to be able to stand-up to or overcome incompetent management.
 

Derek

1 by land, 2 by sea, 3 Baerga
Joined
Jan 10, 2009
Messages
12,313
Reaction score
15,177
Points
123

Like other former teammates, Grant was unhappy with the portrayal of various players and situations throughout the documentary.

"I would say [it was] entertaining, but we know, who was there as teammates, that about 90% of it -- I don't know if I can say it on air, but B.S. in terms of the realness of it," Grant said. "It wasn't real -- because a lot of things [Jordan] said to some of his teammates, that his teammates went back at him. But all of that was kind of edited out of the documentary, if you want to call it a documentary."

One of the storylines throughout the documentary centered on Jordan's bullying of his teammates. Grant said Jordan's behavior sometimes crossed the line.
 

SuperSurge

Slice & Dice
Staff member
Moderator
Joined
Aug 31, 2008
Messages
12,441
Reaction score
17,508
Points
123
Jordan smoked cigars like a chimney and drank beers after games.

CyberBron would destroy him 1v1 both at their peaks.
 

prf100

Sixth Man
Joined
Jun 26, 2008
Messages
954
Reaction score
1,794
Points
93
Jordan smoked cigars like a chimney and drank beers after games.

CyberBron would destroy him 1v1 both at their peaks.
Prime Jordan versus Prime Lebron in 1 on 1... maybe when we've reached the singularity...
 

Chris

Hall-of-Famer
Joined
Jun 13, 2008
Messages
36,062
Reaction score
22,455
Points
135
Great series. I’m finishing it tonight. The part where Kerr hit the shot in 97 was epic.
 

Sir'Dom Pointer

Hall-of-Famer
Joined
Oct 8, 2016
Messages
14,298
Reaction score
15,460
Points
123
Jordan's game wouldn't translate today.
It also all seems like a movie written and directed by Stern. Utah were the better team as well during 97 98.
 

BMAN

GOD
Joined
Jul 31, 2009
Messages
6,162
Reaction score
4,806
Points
113
I’m getting the general sense that i probably shouldn’t finish the series or else I’ll get irrationally angry. I already think it’s been meh for 4 episodes.
 

Bob_The_Cat

NBA Starter
Joined
Apr 18, 2010
Messages
4,403
Reaction score
4,464
Points
113
I’m getting the general sense that i probably shouldn’t finish the series or else I’ll get irrationally angry. I already think it’s been meh for 4 episodes.
For me it's just kind of confirmed what I thought or knew to be true:

1.) Jordan is a great basketball player, competitor, and winner. No doubt about that.

2.) He is a straight up asshole. There's a big difference between "winning at any costs" and just being a flat out dick. Jordan's been rumored to pretty much be a P.O.S. as a person (many articles over the years have hinted at this as well) but seeing what happened in the doc just confirmed it.

3.) Had Jordan come up in the current media era, with everything everywhere 24/7, he either would've had to alter his behavior or the public would have a massively different opinion of him. You can only try to cover things up for so long until it all come spilling out. I get the sense there would have been a lot coming out about this guy, to the extent that he might have never returned to basketball in the first place.


It's also flat out strange how the sports networks (primarily ESPN) and social media have devolved over the years. Anything about Jordan automatically opens the door to trash LeBron "This is why he's so much better than LeBron. Jordan never lost in the Finals, LeBron did. etc." and many far more personal shots. Then anything about LeBron becomes essentially the same thing, saying why he's not as good as Jordan and so on.

Why does it have to be an open chance to shit on players for comparison sake? Especially when it's something not related to another player?
 

Lee

Gold Star Member
Joined
Apr 27, 2005
Messages
25,385
Reaction score
30,925
Points
148
For me it's just kind of confirmed what I thought or knew to be true:

1.) Jordan is a great basketball player, competitor, and winner. No doubt about that.

2.) He is a straight up asshole. There's a big difference between "winning at any costs" and just being a flat out dick. Jordan's been rumored to pretty much be a P.O.S. as a person (many articles over the years have hinted at this as well) but seeing what happened in the doc just confirmed it.

3.) Had Jordan come up in the current media era, with everything everywhere 24/7, he either would've had to alter his behavior or the public would have a massively different opinion of him. You can only try to cover things up for so long until it all come spilling out. I get the sense there would have been a lot coming out about this guy, to the extent that he might have never returned to basketball in the first place.


It's also flat out strange how the sports networks (primarily ESPN) and social media have devolved over the years. Anything about Jordan automatically opens the door to trash LeBron "This is why he's so much better than LeBron. Jordan never lost in the Finals, LeBron did. etc." and many far more personal shots. Then anything about LeBron becomes essentially the same thing, saying why he's not as good as Jordan and so on.

Why does it have to be an open chance to shit on players for comparison sake? Especially when it's something not related to another player?
All so true. Jordan is great, no doubt, maybe even goat, but no one ever acknowledges the fact he had Pippen, top 30 player, way under rated player. Without Jordan he was a 9 Rebs, 5.5 assists, 22 points and 3 steals. He was the greatest wing defender of all time too. Good enough to go to the ECF WITHOUT Jordan. Also Jordan had the GOAT coach.

Never fails to piss me off that no one mentions that Kobe and Jordan have ZERO titles without Phil Jackson. They didn't even make the finals without Jackson, Lebron took a team with Larry fucking Hughes as his Robin to the finals, not Pau, not Shaq, not Pippen, Larry fucking Hughes.

Ans speaking of Pau, shows how good of a coach Jackson really was to be honest, nice depth, but not a lights out Robin in Pau.
 

September Through December Server Costs

Total amount
$230.00
Goal
$1,200.00
Donation ends:

Radio

Top