The Rise of Skywalker spoilers thread

[TyGuy]

In all seriousness, having seen the movie.. I really don't get it..

For example, one of the complaints is about L3 being a "feminist?" But L3 isn't a feminist, she wants to be released from bondage. That's more to do with the concept of slavery than feminism; and I think a lot of people forget that both mechanical and human slavery exists in Star Wars.

But a robot protesting it's status of servitude to humans is not new in Star Wars lore. It'd be like people calling HK-47 an SJW if he were included in the film...

I'm not even sure how the term "SJW" applies to the rest of the movie except maybe to the idea that Lando is pansexual ... but nowhere in the film is that ever remotely explored other than L3 saying that Lando was attracted to her, which is presented as laughable (even if true).

Nowhere do we see Lando acting out pansexuality in the sense of homosexuality in this film; which is what I think people were somehow afraid of.

Instead, Glover and the Kasdans (remember, Lawrence Kasdan wrote Empire is co-wrote Solo with his son Jonathan) have remarked that to them pansexual simply means there are no boundaries on Lando's sexuality because he would have sex with a droid, an alien, and yes perhaps even someone of his own gender (oh noes!) ...

I .. just can't see the problem with this? I honestly think it's laughable that so many adult men take exception to the fact that Lando might have fucked an alien or touched a dick in his lifetime.

Like really? Does that really ruin your childhood? C'mon man.. lol!

Solo wasn't great.. was barely good... But calling it "SJW" and saying it's "soy" (i.e. lacking in masculinity) is just ridiculous, don't you think?

It was just a joke.

 

[gourimoko]

It was just a joke.

I get that, but online, there's a massive shit ton of people seriously hoping Solo fails because they assert it's some kind of "SJW" agenda-based movie.

Like, I can't even watch YouTube without 10 "recommendations" about Solo destroying maleness.

 

[col63onel]

Finally got to see it today. Really fun. I’ll have more thoughts later.

 

[Jack Brickman]

To be honest, I always just assumed that Lando fucked aliens. I mean, if I existed in the Star Wars universe, I'm pretty sure I'd at least try out one of those blue chicks with the hair tentacles.

In Mass Effect my Shepherd basically banged anything that wasn't nailed down.

 

[macbdog]

Like, I can't even watch YouTube without 10 "recommendations" about Solo destroying maleness.

YouTube's recommendations are based on what you have watched previously. Its why it floods me with poor quality history doc ripoffs, 90s rap/roll albums and Taylor Swift death metal covers. Stop watching Solo critiques.

That being said, I'm waiting for this to hit cable. The guy playing Solo looks to have the charisma of a kumquat. Also I've said prior that Solps appeal in star Wars was a bit as a redemption story- a ne'er do well who gets a 2nd chance to fulfill his potential. Unless this movie ends with him fucking up and being self serving, I'm simply not interested, because that was the dude shooting Greedo in cold blood at the beginning of Star Wars.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

So, this is a spoilers thread, there has been plenty of time, let's get into it:





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What are they going to do with Darth Maul? Hes gotta be in the Obi Wan movie, right?

 

[Lyst]

I mean, if I existed in the Star Wars universe, I'm pretty sure I'd at least try out one of those blue chicks with the hair tentacles.

Twi'leks are hot as fuck.

Saw Solo on Friday night. It was good but some stuff annoyed me. The actor that played Han did not have great charisma. I felt like Han's whole being was charisma and presence. People wanted to be around him. This guy looked and sounded like a dweeb- the opposite of Han.

The guy that played Lando overracted as fuck. Lando was always full of himself and overplayed things sure, but I feel like this hipster kid was trying way too hard to be Lando Calrissian. The original SW was never casted because of fame or noteriety, but obviously that changed with every movie after the original trilogy.

Everything else and every other actor were pretty great.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

That being said, I'm waiting for this to hit cable. The guy playing Solo looks to have the charisma of a kumquat.

If he was getting really good reviews, I might go see it despite doubts about the franchise as a whole. But every clip I've seen or review I've heard has this guy being a dude. Even after sifting out complaints about having the movie focusing on "another straight white male", the panning of his performance seems to be pretty widely accepted. And a movie about Han Solo without a great lead just isn't worth the investment in time to go see it the theater.

 

[Derek]

Twi'leks are hot as fuck.

Saw Solo on Friday night. It was good but some stuff annoyed me. The actor that played Han did not have great charisma. I felt like Han's whole being was charisma and presence. People wanted to be around him. This guy looked and sounded like a dweeb- the opposite of Han.

The guy that played Lando overracted as fuck. Lando was always full of himself and overplayed things sure, but I feel like this hipster kid was trying way too hard to be Lando Calrissian. The original SW was never casted because of fame or noteriety, but obviously that changed with every movie after the original trilogy.

Everything else and every other actor were pretty great.

Donald Glover is a national treasure, you watch your mouth

 

[KI4MVP]

I saw it last night. I really need to see these at a better theater than our local one in Wooster.

I just read through this thread and don't understand any of the stuff about boycotting the movie because of Lando, Donald Glover was every bit the Lando that I expected. I also don't get the criticism that they used someone famous, Billy Dee Williams was famous before he played Lando in Star Wars too.

I'm not quite sure how to rate this movie. I expected more when I heard Ron Howard was directing, but I found out later that they went through a few directors. I expected it to me my favorite of the recent movies, but at least my initial impression is Rogue One is way better. Somehow Rogue One made you care more about the fate of the characters than this movie even though two of the main characters were ones I already knew going into this movie.

Part of that is they could have used a better actor for Han. Donald Glover made a great Lando, Alden Ehrenreich made a mediocre Han. They really needed someone with the presence of say, Chris Pine (who is too old to play a young Han) as Kirk.

There are parts of the movie that I really liked. Other parts were way too predictable.

Maybe some of these opinions will change when I rewatch it.

 

[col63onel]

Full thoughts

- I think this was a solid representation of an iconic character. Alden was pretty good, IMO. He was maybe a bit too "cheery" when compared to the character we meet in episode 4. But he was a risky, cocky smuggler and pilot.

- Loved him shooting first at the end

- This was a relatively faithful, at least in tone, adaptation of his character origins in the old EU. Street orphan, worked as a "hustler" to get by, joins the Imperial academy and gets kicked out. In the books, it was because they were enslaving wookies, and he stopped them from executing Chewie. This was close enough.

- I was afraid some moments would feel forced. But meeting Chewie, the Kessel Run, getting his blaster, winning the Falcon, all were solidly done.

- Really liked the train heist, really liked the Kessel run. No other scenes jumped out, but didn't hate any scenes like I did in Last Jedi.

- What's the deal with the opening crawl. This was kind of a crawl, but not really. Either give us a crawl or nothing.

- Wasn't a huge fan of the Maul cameo. Partly, it was spoiled for me. But it seemed gratuitous. Could easily have been any number of characters, either in current cannon or old legends characters. If they make a movie with Maul and it's good, then thats great. But short of that, this didn't do a whole lot for me.

- I could go on and one about what I liked. But they'd all echo my basic thoughts about the movie as a whole, which are: this a solid (though certainly paint by numbers) action movie set in the Star Wars universe. It's fun, it's a solid movie, but not much that I lvoe about it.

When they announced the spin offs, some people thought they'd be the "risky" movies. It turns out, they are the opposite - safe, formulaic movies. Which is fine. Marvel does that and I love them. Difference is, Marvel delivers with their HUGE movies (Avengers, Civil War, etc) while the episodic movies for SW have been "meh" at best. If they could get their act together with the episodes, these would be great compliments to the episodes. Maybe, they need to scrap the episodes and just go with spin-offs that are loosely connected, which is somewhat ironically what Lucas had visions off when he started writing A New Hope.

- Rankings!

Return of the Jedi
A New Hope
Empire Strikes Back



Rogue One

Solo

Force Awakens



Last Jedi
Attack of the Clones
Revenge of the Sith

Phantom Menace

 

[Chris]

Full thoughts

- I think this was a solid representation of an iconic character. Alden was pretty good, IMO. He was maybe a bit too "cheery" when compared to the character we meet in episode 4. But he was a risky, cocky smuggler and pilot.

- Loved him shooting first at the end

- This was a relatively faithful, at least in tone, adaptation of his character origins in the old EU. Street orphan, worked as a "hustler" to get by, joins the Imperial academy and gets kicked out. In the books, it was because they were enslaving wookies, and he stopped them from executing Chewie. This was close enough.

- I was afraid some moments would feel forced. But meeting Chewie, the Kessel Run, getting his blaster, winning the Falcon, all were solidly done.

- Really liked the train heist, really liked the Kessel run. No other scenes jumped out, but didn't hate any scenes like I did in Last Jedi.

- What's the deal with the opening crawl. This was kind of a crawl, but not really. Either give us a crawl or nothing.

- Wasn't a huge fan of the Maul cameo. Partly, it was spoiled for me. But it seemed gratuitous. Could easily have been any number of characters, either in current cannon or old legends characters. If they make a movie with Maul and it's good, then thats great. But short of that, this didn't do a whole lot for me.

- I could go on and one about what I liked. But they'd all echo my basic thoughts about the movie as a whole, which are: this a solid (though certainly paint by numbers) action movie set in the Star Wars universe. It's fun, it's a solid movie, but not much that I lvoe about it.

When they announced the spin offs, some people thought they'd be the "risky" movies. It turns out, they are the opposite - safe, formulaic movies. Which is fine. Marvel does that and I love them. Difference is, Marvel delivers with their HUGE movies (Avengers, Civil War, etc) while the episodic movies for SW have been "meh" at best. If they could get their act together with the episodes, these would be great compliments to the episodes. Maybe, they need to scrap the episodes and just go with spin-offs that are loosely connected, which is somewhat ironically what Lucas had visions off when he started writing A New Hope.

- Rankings!

Return of the Jedi
A New Hope
Empire Strikes Back



Rogue One

Solo

Force Awakens



Last Jedi
Attack of the Clones
Revenge of the Sith

Phantom Menace

I'm with you on almost all of this. Especially the cameo. Lots of people loved that; I didn't.

 

[gourimoko]

YouTube's recommendations are based on what you have watched previously. Its why it floods me with poor quality history doc ripoffs, 90s rap/roll albums and Taylor Swift death metal covers. Stop watching Solo critiques.

What's insane is that I haven't watched many Solo critiques; in fact, I think I've seen 1 entirely and like 30 seconds of another. I get this shit all the time though; like, watch this new right-wing video... And I literally click "Remove," "Tell Us Why," "Not Interested." And YouTube then fills my recommendations with 10 more videos just like it...

 

[col63onel]

What's insane is that I haven't watched many Solo critiques; in fact, I think I've seen 1 entirely and like 30 seconds of another. I get this shit all the time though; like, watch this new right-wing video... And I literally click "Remove," "Tell Us Why," "Not Interested." And YouTube then fills my recommendations with 10 more videos just like it...

I hadn't watched a SW video in like 3 weeks to avoid spoilers.

Then randomly, as I am watching a Cavs video, the next suggestion is a bootleg copy of the Maul scene entitled "Darth Maul cameo in Solo"

WTF youtube!

 

[gourimoko]

I hadn't watched a SW video in like 3 weeks to avoid spoilers.

Then randomly, as I am watching a Cavs video, the next suggestion is a bootleg copy of the Maul scene entitled "Darth Maul cameo in Solo"

WTF youtube!

Thankfully I had no idea... I thought the cameo scene was great; but I had hoped we could see more of Maul in the movie -- would've preferred that....

One problem though..... Han Solo has never met or seen a Jedi before meeting Obi-Wan; at least, not to his knowledge, surely. So... if he ends up fighting Darth Maul at some point, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, IMHO.