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[sportscoach]

You guys are being way way too hard on Jones and it's pretty bad that you are. He played 49 games at AA in 19, didn't play in 20 and had a horrible start in 21. After that first month his OPS was back to his norms of over .800... I mean his track record is pretty dang close to a left handed Carlos Santana. He has always had a lower BA and a high OPS.

OGonz, has had a solid BA, OBP stinks and SLG is legit, but he has a problem with certain pitches and whatnot which he isnt really going to face until the bigs. We won't know if he can hit big league pitching until he faces them. Jones has a much much better floor and is likely to succeed in the bigs, even though his SO rate is fairly high, he won't struggle as much as some other prospects with the same SO rate because he walks a ton and has a ton of opposite field power which he is growing into.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Just get in Julio Franco, he fits the style of team we have perfectly...

Hell yea.....and even at 63 years old Julio could still hit ropes all over the yard. My all time favorite player.

 

[DJJOE]

I'm not referring to the .400 BA. Of course nobody is going to sustain that, but he took a serious nose dive if I recall correctly. It wasn't just a regression back to his norm. Point being, when is it better to call a prospect up? When he is clearly seeing and hitting the ball well or starting to or having already regressed?

I can say calling him up while he was hot would have allowed him to get a better start. That would be just as valid as you suggesting that it wouldn't have made a difference. Clearly the kid can hit. Clearly he could hit long before his promotion.

Miller was called up a month before MLB cracked down on the sticky stuff. I think his stats last year are meaningless as a predictor of his future performance.

 

[KluberSociety]

I'm not referring to the .400 BA. Of course nobody is going to sustain that, but he took a serious nose dive if I recall correctly. It wasn't just a regression back to his norm. Point being, when is it better to call a prospect up? When he is clearly seeing and hitting the ball well or starting to or having already regressed?

I can say calling him up while he was hot would have allowed him to get a better start. That would be just as valid as you suggesting that it wouldn't have made a difference. Clearly the kid can hit. Clearly he could hit long before his promotion.

I'm talking about luck-based regression, not seeing-the-ball based regression. I don't think he really changed a whole lot in the time between his hot start and when he got called up, and he was actually much better his second time around even though the top line numbers he put up in AAA between the call-ups weren't very good. Top-line numbers in low sample sizes don't matter much especially to evaluate how a player is actually playing. Miller was striking out a lot even when he was hitting .400 so he wasn't seeing the ball that well and he certainly wasn't putting up a good approach.

IMO Owen Miller 1.0 just wasn't very good, and was compounded by the pressures that came from his first stint in the majors. Owen Miller 1.0 also hit .400 over a short period in the minors.

 

[mopete12]

Miller was called up a month before MLB cracked down on the sticky stuff. I think his stats last year are meaningless as a predictor of his future performance.

Overall, the crackdown on sticky stuff had very little impact on MLB stats if you look at the average stats for 2021 pre crackdown vs 2021 post crackdown. Especially since offenses are usually better in the 2nd half of the season. A lot of guys that are successful major leaguers just struggle during their first call up and Miller is probably one of those guys.

 

[mopete12]

Gonzalez is hitting the shit out of the ball right now, but he has almost no chance of being a successful MLB’er if he has sub 2% walk rate combined with his poor defense.

 

[Obscured By Clouds]

Gonzalez is hitting the shit out of the ball right now, but he has almost no chance of being a successful MLB’er if he has sub 2% walk rate combined with his poor defense.

And horrible 6:1 SO:BB rate.

 

[CATS44]

Honestly, I dont know where we get some of these things, and I mean that kindly.

Carlos Santana was never a windmill. His career K rate is about 16%...about the same at every level in the minors. On four occasions with significant sample sizes he hit over .300 at four MiLB levels.

Carlos was fairly consistent throughout his MiLB career. His trend lines remained the same.

Nolan Jones trend lines...esp K rate...have gotten worse.

Santana also crushed both handed pitching in the minors. Except for a SSS last year, Jones has been helpless against LHP.

Miller was hotter than a firecracker when he was called up. Since MiLB got started late last year, he had only played in 16 games when he got to Cleveland. He had gotten a hit in 12 of those games, and multiple hits in nine. He hadn't had time to cool off.

 

[mopete12]

And horrible 6:1 SO:BB rate.

To be fair, that is basically all due to the microscopic walk rate. His K% is only 13% so far this year which is good, although I expect it to climb closer to 20% as he cools off.

 

[KluberSociety]

Yeah even if OGon translates better to MLB than I think with his bat he's still going to have a low OBP and poor defense.

 

[CDAV45]

I love it when people think they know before anyone really "knows". There is so much detail that isn't factored. Bring him up or don't bring him up, I don't really care, but there is no justification whatsoever with the current roster construction that he isn't getting a look. Like I've said what seems like a hundred times, there won't be a better time to find out of he can contribute than right now. An OF of Kwan, Straw, Palacios, and Mercado isn't going to cut the mustard, but boy they sure do take their walks and get on base.

 

[KluberSociety]

An OF of Kwan, Straw, Palacios, and Mercado isn't going to cut the mustard, but boy they sure do take their walks and get on base.

Getting on base is one way of cutting the mustard to me. But I get you want to see a particular thing...

 

[CDAV45]

Getting on base is one way of cutting the mustard to me. But I get you want to see a particular thing...

This team is missing a particular thing to have some good balance. There’s just no getting around it. I think they will definitely get there before this season ends.

 

[Lee]

“They told him that they can’t afford what he’s worth, and he told them that he didn’t care. He wanted to stay there, and they made it work. He knows that he left money on the table, but he says, ‘$150 million or $200 million, my life is gonna be the same. I’m happier with $150 million in Cleveland than $200 million somewhere else.’”

Yeah, the Hamster is my favorite Cleveland player of all time.

He should be mine for the reasons above and for just how fucking good Jose is, but my favorite is Kenny Lofton. I just loved his all around game. Straw is growing on me fast for sure, I just love defensive center fielders, I have a man crush on Ken Griffey Jr for that reason, well that and his swing was Sex on a baseball diamond.

 

[KluberSociety]

This team is missing a particular thing to have some good balance. There’s just no getting around it. I think they will definitely get there before this season ends.

1 less home run every 8 games (20 pro-rated to a full season) is not breaking the offense