Week 7 - Browns (2-4) @ Ratbirds (3-3)

[Los216]

I think we rely on him too much in general. Sacks are drive killers. He's had 9 sacks, 3 fumbles and 2 interceptions in just the last two games. Passing the ball took us out of field goal range twice today in a game we lost by 3 points and Chubb averaged his normal 5.7 ypc.

I don't know what to tell you. Jacoby Brissette cannot go out there and be a decoy. He has to make some plays and as a backup QB he has made enough plays for us to win this year and we just haven't done it.

 

[buzzdog]

10 of those carries were from Lamar Jackson who is literally their entire offensive game plan. You wrote this like we were playing against TB and they ran it 44 times.

I "wrote this like"? Dude what I wrote was stone cold facts, irrefutable by whatever spin you want to put on it to justify your man crush on Kevin.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

I "wrote this like"? Dude what I wrote was stone cold facts, irrefutable by whatever spin you want to put on it to justify your man crush on Kevin.

@Los216 is right.

You guys are talking about playcalling. Passing plays where the QB takes off shouldn't count as the coach calling a running play.

 

[daddywags]

@Los216 is right.

You guys are talking about playcalling. Passing plays where the QB takes off shouldn't count as the coach calling a running play.

Right, they count as pass calls, just like sacks. Too often people just look at a QBs "attempts" in determining pass-run call ratios. I think that's wrong.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Right, they count as pass calls, just like sacks. Too often people just look at a QBs "attempts" in determining pass-run call ratios. I think that's wrong.

Yep. Brissett's completions/attempts don't show the sacks, the fumble, or the broken plays where he took off.

Pretty sure you pointed those out during the game thread. They were good points then and are still good points now.

 

[Liam]

Ngl personally I don’t really care about the pass/rush splits, or whether Chubb is 2nd 1st or 5th in overall rush attempts in the NFL.

I do care about putting the ball in your best players hands at game defining moments, and on 3 crucial drives (just before HT, just after HT, 2nd to last offensive drive) the browns threw(or attempted to) 3 consecutive times to end all three drives that were either in/around field goal range, or resulted in Ravens points.

If the browns had their franchise QB on the field and/or an elite defense to afford empty drives, then I’d be more accepting to decisions like today. But points are being left on the board week in week out from a team that imo can’t afford to leave a single point behind right now.

 

[buzzdog]

Ngl personally I don’t really care about the pass/rush splits, or whether Chubb is 2nd 1st or 5th in overall rush attempts in the NFL.

I do care about putting the ball in your best players hands at game defining moments, and on 3 crucial drives (just before HT, just after HT, 2nd to last offensive drive) the browns threw(or attempted to) 3 consecutive times to end all three drives that were either in/around field goal range, or resulted in Ravens points.

If the browns had their franchise QB on the field and/or an elite defense to afford empty drives, then I’d be more accepting to decisions like today. But points are being left on the board week in week out from a team that imo can’t afford to leave a single point behind right now.

Exactly. It amounts to poor game management by our head coach, not properly utilizing talent and protecting or mitigating weak links. It has cost us games that would have been won with proper game and player management.

 

[Dr. Claw]

I’ll try to find the time this week and run the actual numbers on similar down and distances. It’s an identity… you’ll win by it and die by it. This team dies by it more based on execution, in my perspective, than the play call itself IMO. I think people get caught up with the thought that Chubb is automatic and you can just dial up a few yards whenever you want, particularly in critical situations.

I’m just genuinely afraid to see Stefanski get run out of town. Maybe I’m misguided, but I think he’s the best coach we’ve seen since 99… and he’s gonna get railroaded by the fact that he’s had to deal with Mayfield and Brissett. His allegiance to Joe Woods is another story… I do think he has accountability to the underperforming on the other side of the ball.

Now this is a take I can ride with.

I don't think Stefanski needs to be fired. He needs to cede playcalling to AVP.

As for Joe Woods, I'm taking one foot out of the door with firing him now after this last week.

Run defense is ass, but IMO that's an execution/personnel issue. They finally got some pressure on the QB with a well executed blitz (Emerson is going to be the quiet "winner" of the defense this season).

They managed a "bend but don't break" performance for most of the game and got a turnover when it was SORELY needed.

Front office needs to realize their L and prioritize the middle of the defense with whatever resources they have left.

Now if this team is like this with DW4 at QB (i.e. the Texans before he sat out) then I'll be like, "Flush It".

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Now this is a take I can ride with.

I don't think Stefanski needs to be fired. He needs to cede playcalling to AVP.

As for Joe Woods, I'm taking one foot out of the door with firing him now after this last week.

Run defense is ass, but IMO that's an execution/personnel issue. They finally got some pressure on the QB with a well executed blitz (Emerson is going to be the quiet "winner" of the defense this season).

They managed a "bend but don't break" performance for most of the game and got a turnover when it was SORELY needed.

Front office needs to realize their L and prioritize the middle of the defense with whatever resources they have left.

Now if this team is like this with DW4 at QB (i.e. the Texans before he sat out) then I'll be like, "Flush It".

I'm looking for our front office to learn from their mistakes.

We've dumped a lot of resources into areas with very little to show for it.

DT:

1. Jordan Elliott
2. Tommy Togiai
3. Perrion Winfrey

WR:

1. Anthony Schwartz
2. David Bell
3. Michael Woods

I'm not calling all of these guys write-off busts, but that's a lot of picks and roster spots with very little production. I could also point to the Harrison Bryant pick, the Austin Hooper signing and the JJ3 signing as areas where I think we may be a little too numbers-focused and not enough scout-driven... but in order to actually make that conclusion, I'd have to be in the building and know everything that went into those discussions.

On the bright side, in 2020, I wouldn't have drafted Elliott/Phillips/Bryant. On the downside, I would've instead taken Duvernay, Malik Harrison and Anthony McFarland.

Boy has McFarland been a bust. Dude never got his explosiveness back after that injury at Maryland.

It's fun to go look back at the old draft stuff. I was called an OSU homer by @Randolphkeys for saying I'd take Dobbins at pick 80 in one of the earlier mock drafts.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

when we run him as much as any RB in the league. He's at the top of the league in carries.

Both objectively false statements

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

BTW Tennessee is gonna go the playoffs again this year just giving it to Henry over and over every game.

With Tannehill as QB, it'll be 5 playoffs in 6 seasons.

Kinda what I mean about excuses only going so far for KS. Dominant offensive line. Best RB in the NFL.

Pretty freaking bad division.

Results should be better.

None of those playoffs matter because they didn’t win a Super Bowl

Nevermind the fact that we will miss the playoffs for the 5th time in 6 years. We can just move the goalposts to make sure that the 2-5 team is protected at all costs

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

In a close game the Ravens had 44 carries to 24 carries for the Browns. 16 pass attempts for Lamar, 27 pass attempts for Jacoby.

The Ravens with the vastly superior QB and with their starting RB injured ran more, and passed less

The Ravens won the game. End of story.

At least we got the styles points and the feel good story of not being a “dinosaur”

We played the game the “right” way

Saw the follow up comments: at least a portion of those Lamar rushes were designed.

 

[DJTJ]

Both objectively false statements

He’s third. He’s first in yards. First in YPG. First in big plays. First in first downs.

We’re really complaining about not using him “enough”?

It’s two and change runs a game, dude. Barkley’s back up has 21. Hunt has 66.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

He’s third. He’s first in yards. First in YPG. First in big plays. First in first downs.

We’re really complaining about not using him “enough”?

It’s two and change runs a game, dude. Barkley’s back up has 21. Hunt has 66.

That doesn’t refute my point at all

If los is gonna act like he is the smartest man alive and talk about how much he hates the fanbase all the time the absolute least he can do is not make objectively incorrect statements

 

[Los216]

He’s third. He’s first in yards. First in YPG. First in big plays. First in first downs.

We’re really complaining about not using him “enough”?

It’s two and change runs a game, dude. Barkley’s back up has 21. Hunt has 66.

I'd also like to add that Saquon Barkely has missed 20 games in his first 4 seasons. he has not proved that he can even handle the workload that they're putting on him this season.

Saquon is on pace for 347 carries. That doesn't include his touches in the passing game where he is utilized more than Chubb. people also never mention the fact that Saquon does not have a new contract. So he's a high drafted RB with a shaky injury history and they are running his ass into the ground. But yeah they're 6-1 with no Franchise QB and they're relying heavily on Saquon in a contract year to carry them where?

If the roles were reversed and we were doing this with Chubb people would be livid.