Week 8: Browns @ Seahawks 4PM

[DocSaric]

The defense had a chance to win it anyway and they didn't so.........................

They sure did. But your lack of acknowledging any nuance between ball at the 40 with the place rocking and ball at 10-20 having mustered nothing on O for 3 quarters makes this conversation pointless. Great job. “Defense had a chance anyways” just nails it.

 

[Arketebel]

I am reading horseshit at the end of this thread. Your defense gives up 24 points and has 3 takeaways. The offense is shit.

 

[Dr. Claw]

PJ, PJ, PJ.

Not getting off his first read cost the Browns at least 10 points and the game. Just check it down, dammit. AND that last INT was a super fluke.
I still don't think there's a deal worth making for a backup QB out there.

I was getting ready to congratulate the Browns on their most "Eagles 2023" like victory and for PJ tightening up some of the bad spots of the Colts game (like tosses, short passes, trusting the pocket). Winning despite turnovers. But this looked like the Eagles/Jets game earlier this season, almost exactly. Sucks, because one of those Seahawks was giving the dickheads in the peanut gallery fuel (rookie Witherspoon who lowkey got cooked).

I don't understand what criteria the Browns use to determine which RB gets the carries, but I will say while Ford did his job, I prefer Strong (who has looked the most Chubb-like) and Hunt. Same shit w/Eagles where for some reason RB2 gets more carries than RB1.

 

[Los216]

What's the probability of an interception on a run play?

Of course it's a higher rate of risk

Probably as high as the probability of Jerome Ford fumbling the ball on a wide open 4th and 4 toss play. That happened last week btw.

 

[redscoon]

P.J. converted a 3rd down pass on that drive but all of a sudden now we can't pass it? GTFOH man.

Stop whining.

He did not. The drive was extended on 3rd down by a penalty on Seattle. His pass was incomplete.

 

[MirORich]

There is no higher rate of risk. The reason why tams pass 10/10 there is because the clock is stopping no matter what and passing opens up your entire playbook.

Running the ball there is conceding and playing scared.

Interceptions on a passing play are a more common result than a lost fumble on running play.

One of an Interception, lost fumble on a QB sack, or lost fumble on the reception is an even more common result on a pass play than a fumble on running play

Thus, more inherent risk.

 

[Los216]

Interceptions on a passing play are a more common result than a lost fumble on running play.

One of an Interception, lost fumble on a QB sack, or lost fumble on the reception is an even more common result on a pass play than a fumble on running play

Thus, more inherent risk.

We just saw a lost fumble on a crucial 4th down play last week.

 

[MirORich]

There is no higher rate of risk. The reason why tams pass 10/10 there is because the clock is stopping no matter what and passing opens up your entire playbook.

Running the ball there is conceding and playing scared.

And You attaching your own personal emotional opinion of what the running okay means in that specific situation(not just down and distance) doesn’t mean shit

 

[MirORich]

We just saw a lost fumble on a crucial 4th down play last week.

That’s anecdotal not statistical

 

[CBBI]

We already had the lead

The choce of possible first down and less inherent risk on run play vs higher first down percentage and more inherent risk on a pass play is not “playing scared or playing not to lose”

Agree to disagree I guess.

I'm never going to be mad about actively trying to win a game.

 

[David.]

Probably as high as the probability of Jerome Ford fumbling the ball on a wide open 4th and 4 toss play. That happened last week btw.

Just because it happened doesn't make the probabilities equal. They aren't.

 

[Arketebel]

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[camakazee]

Non-Browns fan who just watched his team put up a real stinker… throwing on 3rd and 3 with a few seconds before the 2 minute warning is the right call, regardless of who the QB is. If they’re in the NFL then they’re capable of getting 3 yards and passing for a first down has a greater probability than running in that scenario.

The Seahawks went 57 yards in 1:19 for a TD. Assuming a touchback could they not have gotten the additional 23 yards in 30+ seconds? You can argue that the INT was deflating for the defense but it’s hard to tell what would’ve happened if they run and punt. Ultimately it was the right call and a bad break from an outsider looking in.

Along those same lines I think Stefanski is a solid coach. He has the Browns looking competitive each and every week with a QB who should be a back up at best. That’s hard to do in the NFL.

 

[DocSaric]

The clock argument holds no weight for me. On 3 and 3….

Passing play may have higher statistical chance of 1st down success but it also has a higher rate of inherent risk

Run play from the down and distance still has chance of first down and less inherent risk.

If first down fails, you give your defense a much better scenario, with SEA having to drive 75-90 yards instead of 45

The assumption that just because they scored after the turnover means they would have also easily scored starting at the 15-20 is a bad one.

For this game, this scenario, this personnel, the way he had chosen to call the game in the entire 4th quarter, running was the right play

Bullseye

 

[Liam]

Don’t even know who to blame. All I know is between the dropped pick 6 that pretty much would have iced the game, the 3rd and 3 to pretty much ice the game, and the defense folding to pretty much lose the game, the execution down the stretch was fucking terrible.