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[buzzdog]

To be honest, I'd love to see if Hue Jackson is a bad enough coach to make Bell look pedestrian.

One of Hue's harshest critics (CBBI) says on the all-22 game tapes there are holes to run through and receivers are getting open. Hue can't hit the holes himself and he can't throw the passes.

Hue has his share of the blame and he has made mistakes. But the bottom line is he doesn't have the talent at key positions that it takes to win games. If Kizer ever comes through maybe we'll win some. Kizer made it impossible to win the bulk of our schedule. You expect Hue to overcome game changing / losing mistakes and bonehead plays, no head coach can do that from the sidelines.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Hue has his share of the blame and he has made mistakes. But the bottom line is he doesn't have the talent at key positions that it takes to win games. If Kizer ever comes through maybe we'll win some. Kizer made it impossible to win the bulk of our schedule. You expect Hue to overcome game changing / losing mistakes and bonehead plays, no head coach can do that from the sidelines.

One of the main things that Hue was sold as was a QB guru, a guy who could turn a poor QB into an average one, or an average QB into a good one. All he's done is make all of our QBs look worse. You're telling me that Kizer doesn't have the tools to be at least a decent quarterback? I don't believe that. I think that, with proper coaching, he'd be at worst passable instead of a disaster. I think the problem is that we don't have proper coaching.

Yes, Kizer makes a lot of mistakes. It's the coach's job to correct those over time, and I just haven't seen Hue do that with any of our QBs. They all seem to gradually get worse instead.

Let me ask you this...if a story came out tomorrow that Hue has been sandbagging all year to get Sashi fired, would you believe it? I would, and that tells you everything you need to know about how bad he's been.

 

[buzzdog]

One of the main things that Hue was sold as was a QB guru, a guy who could turn a poor QB into an average one, or an average QB into a good one. All he's done is make all of our QBs look worse. You're telling me that Kizer doesn't have the tools to be at least a decent quarterback? I don't believe that. I think that, with proper coaching, he'd be at worst passable instead of a disaster. I think the problem is that we don't have proper coaching.

Yes, Kizer makes a lot of mistakes. It's the coach's job to correct those over time, and I just haven't seen Hue do that with any of our QBs. They all seem to gradually get worse instead.

Let me ask you this...if a story came out tomorrow that Hue has been sandbagging all year to get Sashi fired, would you believe it? I would, and that tells you everything you need to know about how bad he's been.

Sandbagged how? By telling Kizer and Hogan to throw a record number of red zone interceptions?

Your main bitch seems to be that Hue didn't work a miracle with Kizer in a half a season. People even bitched when Hue benched the kid to get it in his head that he needs to take care of the ball. Now Kizer is taking better care of the ball.

Kizer now needs to hit his targets when they are open a much higher percentage of the time. Maybe he gets better soon but it looks doubtful as hell. I think his shitty mechanics cause his poor accuracy and that takes more than a one year fix, I don't care who the coach is.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Sandbagged how? By telling Kizer and Hogan to throw a record number of red zone interceptions?

Your main bitch seems to be that Hue didn't work a miracle with Kizer in a half a season. People even bitched when Hue benched the kid to get it in his head that he needs to take care of the ball. Now Kizer is taking better care of the ball.

Kizer now needs to hit his targets when they are open a much higher percentage of the time. Maybe he gets better soon but it looks doubtful as hell. I think his shitty mechanics cause his poor accuracy and that takes more than a one year fix, I don't care who the coach is.

My "main bitch" has been that Hue was kept over a guy who was clearly better at his job than Hue is at his.

No one's expecting Hue to work miracles with this roster, but any halfway decent coach can luck into two or three wins with shittier rosters than ours. It happens every year. I think the bulk of us expected four or five wins. An incremental improvement over last year, but not an insane goal like making the playoffs. Instead, Hue has us sitting at 0-12. This team is more talented than that, which means the issue is almost certainly coaching.

I'd like to think we can all agree that this year's team is much more talented than last year's team. Yet we sure as hell look worse. I wonder why that is...

 

[buzzdog]

We would have won 2 or 3 games with even borderline competent quarterback play. You seem to think Hue told them to throw games away. No, they did that on the field, on their own, beyond the control of the head coach in those moments. The players failed, and coaching can only do so much.

 

[Jack Brickman]

We would have won 2 or 3 games with even borderline competent quarterback play. You seem to think Hue told them to throw games away. No, they did that on the field, on their own, beyond the control of the head coach in those moments. The players failed, and coaching can only do so much.

LOL.

Come on, man. The coaching is the reason this team is winless. You keep saying that Hue can't go out there and throw the ball. Well, Sashi can't go down to the sidelines and make Hue use his timeouts effectively, or tell him how to manage the clock, or when to go for it on fourth and when to kick a field goal, or not to call dumbass, nonsensical plays constantly, or to make him call more plays for Duke, who has actually been effective.

The talent is there for this to be at least a three win team. We won one game last year with a shittier roster. No one is confusing this for a playoff team, but most coaches luck their way into a couple of wins. Hue has been so bad that even luck hasn't been enough.

I have to think you're not even watching the games if you don't think Hue is a major reason we haven't won a game. He's been uniformly awful all year. Yes, the talent needs to be upgraded, and no one disputes that, but this roster is not the talent of a 0-16 team, and it's looking increasingly likely they'll end up that way because of Jackson's ineptitude as a coach.

 

[Triple-S]

If I would have had my way? I'd have signed Dorsey and offered him the chance to hire whatever coach he would so desire.

But...that's not what we're getting and it looks like we're stuck with Hue until at least the bye week.

I don't think it'll work out. If it does? Well good for us. But generally in these situations? The coach is going to get let go sans a winning season/.500 season and some new guy is going to get brought in. (So it may be a good idea to figure out what Andy Reid/Holmgren coaching tree will be the "hot" guy next season)

So...Beyond that, I don't know. I do know, with all due respect to Kizer? You're going to have to draft a QB at 1 next season and bring in a FA to boot. Be it Smith, McCarroun or whomever the hell...they're gonna get paid.

 

[The Voice]

Sandbagged how? By telling Kizer and Hogan to throw a record number of red zone interceptions?

Your main bitch seems to be that Hue didn't work a miracle with Kizer in a half a season. People even bitched when Hue benched the kid to get it in his head that he needs to take care of the ball. Now Kizer is taking better care of the ball.

Kizer now needs to hit his targets when they are open a much higher percentage of the time. Maybe he gets better soon but it looks doubtful as hell. I think his shitty mechanics cause his poor accuracy and that takes more than a one year fix, I don't care who the coach is.

Did Kizer call shitty time outs and have zero in the 4th quarter? Was it Kizer that decided it would be best to receive in OT? Does Kizer call the plays or does hue? Was it Kizer that decides to run the ball on 3rd and 15 instead of trying to throw it beyond the sticks?

Face if dude, Hue fucking sucks. He's in between Shurmer and Pettine bad.


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[sportscoach]

Did Kizer call shitty time outs and have zero in the 4th quarter? Was it Kizer that decided it would be best to receive in OT? Does Kizer call the plays or does hue? Was it Kizer that decides to run the ball on 3rd and 15 instead of trying to throw it beyond the sticks?

Face if dude, Hue fucking sucks. He's in between Shurmer and Pettine bad.


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What’s funny is Pettine was actually good until the FO and Haslem started telling him what to do. We were 7-2 but he was forced to play Manziel and Gordon and stuff like that. He probably told Hoyer just to get out of Cleveland and stop caring about getting a win. Pettine didn’t want Manziel at all so essentially the FO and Haslem hired the dude to be a puppet and he was like screw you guys, I am not winning a game for you.. but that’s a different matter altogether.

 

[The Voice]

What’s funny is Pettine was actually good until the FO and Haslem started telling him what to do. We were 7-2 but he was forced to play Manziel and Gordon and stuff like that. He probably told Hoyer just to get out of Cleveland and stop caring about getting a win. Pettine didn’t want Manziel at all so essentially the FO and Haslem hired the dude to be a puppet and he was like screw you guys, I am not winning a game for you.. but that’s a different matter altogether.

Hoyer fell off the map, let's not rewrite history. Hoyer started playing like shit, it's not like he was winning and dominating before they put in Johnny.


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[buzzdog]

LOL.

Come on, man. The coaching is the reason this team is winless. You keep saying that Hue can't go out there and throw the ball. Well, Sashi can't go down to the sidelines and make Hue use his timeouts effectively, or tell him how to manage the clock, or when to go for it on fourth and when to kick a field goal, or not to call dumbass, nonsensical plays constantly, or to make him call more plays for Duke, who has actually been effective.

The talent is there for this to be at least a three win team. We won one game last year with a shittier roster. No one is confusing this for a playoff team, but most coaches luck their way into a couple of wins. Hue has been so bad that even luck hasn't been enough.

I have to think you're not even watching the games if you don't think Hue is a major reason we haven't won a game. He's been uniformly awful all year. Yes, the talent needs to be upgraded, and no one disputes that, but this roster is not the talent of a 0-16 team, and it's looking increasingly likely they'll end up that way because of Jackson's ineptitude as a coach.

I've said this in other threads.

Take away Hue's mistakes (and I agree he has made his share) but keep all the mistakes the players have made, and we still lose every single one of those games.

Take away the mistakes the players have made on the field, but keep Hue's mistakes? We win at least 3 games so far, off the top of my head.

Plain and simple, our quarterbacks and really bad penalties have directly been the reason we've lost otherwise winnable games. Hue's mistakes hurt but didn't directly cause us to lose games we would have won without those errors on the field.

 

[buzzdog]

Bad use of timeouts doesn't come close to a bonehead red zone interception when it comes to the direct impact on the score on the scoreboard.

 

[chrisrich91]

I hate Hue as much as the next guy but these things like clock management, decisions on penalties, timeout use, etc don't even make my Top 10 list of things to complain about with the Browns right now.

Seems to be a weird thing to focus on with a 1-27 team. I have much bigger issue with the play calling, the scape goating, the media leaks etc.

Hue is here, so let's focus on the right stuff with him. Hiring an offensive coordinator can fix the play calling which frees Hue up to worry about all the rest. If the offense starts humming with a quarterback in place, and Hue is losing us games directly with his clock management and decision making...then we can revisit this aspect.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I hate Hue as much as the next guy but these things like clock management, decisions on penalties, timeout use, etc don't even make my Top 10 list of things to complain about with the Browns right now.

Seems to be a weird thing to focus on with a 1-27 team. I have much bigger issue with the play calling, the scape goating, the media leaks etc.

Well, that's all Hue as well.

Hue is here, so let's focus on the right stuff with him. Hiring an offensive coordinator can fix the play calling which frees Hue up to worry about all the rest. If the offense starts humming with a quarterback in place, and Hue is losing us games directly with his clock management and decision making...then we can revisit this aspect.

Problem is, as of right now, there is no right stuff with him. He's been uniformly awful in every aspect of coaching. Not only that, but he's a fucking snake who leaks things constantly, vies for power behind the scenes and then lies about it, and constantly throws his players under the bus to the press.

 

[chrisrich91]

Well, that's all Hue as well.



Problem is, as of right now, there is no right stuff with him. He's been uniformly awful in every aspect of coaching. Not only that, but he's a fucking snake who leaks things constantly, vies for power behind the scenes and then lies about it, and constantly throws his players under the bus to the press.

Totally agree. I think he's dog shit.

All I'm saying is I find it weird people dwell on some of these relatively small issues over the glaring issues...like the fact that he can't coach at all in the first place.

If we're saddled with Hue let's try to make the best of a shitty situation. First step, delegating playcalling duties elsewhere.

Edit: just realized what thread we're in..all of these threads are bleeding together with the common denominator being Hue's shittiness