The Official Game of Thrones [A Song of Ice and Fire] Thread (includes spoilers)

[godfather]

Yeah, I’m pretty much in line with this. I’m not sure what emotion Emilia was meant to convey in that scene, but her face looked pretty blank. I just rewatched it. Jorah looks crushed. Sam looks devastated. Dany just looks like she’s telling someone how much their Happy Meal cost.

Perhaps that wasn’t the intent but she doesn’t look broken up over it although as you said I’d think she at least feels bad for Sam. Just going by what we know about her.

I dunno guys. Are we supposed to see Dany as righteous and the ideal outcome as ruler? Because I think we’d all take Jon as the king over Dany any day of the week. But maybe that isn’t the point of the story. Maybe the point is all these monarchs, the idea of an absolute monarch is total ass. Dany wants to ‘break the wheel’ but at the end of the day she may be more benevolent than Cersei or Aerys but ultimately is ‘more of the same,’ as Jon warns her against in Season 7.

It can go either way. She could have a break through moment and redeem herself. Realizing some of her actions affect real and good people. Or she can continue going down her tyrannical path.

If she acts like a tyrant, she WILL clash with Jon. There's no debate there. Jon won't stand by and let a tyrant rule.

I have no idea. I don't think Dany is out to do bad to the world, but she has bad impulses.

Maybe Jon is the only one that will get through to her. At this point, its not going to be Tyrion that's for damn sure.

One thing about Dany, she does listen to council. I think she started taking Old Lady Olenna's advice to heart.

She wants to do good, but she wants to rule more.

 

[godfather]

It's a bit hard to tell exactly what emotion Dany was conveying in that scene with Sam. But when she excused him from the room her voice did waver a bit.

She also held back on how she executed them. I think a "Mad Queen" would have been like "Do you like your Tarlys extra crispy"

We know she at least felt a bit awkward and bad for Sam. We have no idea if she actually felt bad what she did.

This is the guy that saved Jorah's life. And she was there to reward him. Instead, she broke really, really bad news to him.

Unless she's gone completely 'mad' we have to assume she will feel some guilt? Can't really tell yet. But definitely felt bad for Sam.

I don't think she's the Mad King. The Mad King enjoyed torturing his victims. She had a Mad King moment, definitely, but she did it as a power move. Not for pleasure.

It was still a very bad moment for her.

 

[SalvadoranCavsfan]

If I remember correctly Sam said to Jon something along the lines of "You gave up your crown to save your people, would she have done the same?" and for some reason I feel like the conflict will come from this somehow and Jon makes the decision for her.

 

[Tlyons]

We know she at least felt a bit awkward and bad for Sam. We have no idea if she actually felt bad what she did.

This is the guy that saved Jorah's life. And she was there to reward him. Instead, she broke really, really bad news to him.

Unless she's gone completely 'mad' we have to assume she will feel some guilt? Can't really tell yet. But definitely felt bad for Sam.

I don't think she's the Mad King. The Mad King enjoyed torturing his victims. She had a Mad King moment, definitely, but she did it as a power move. Not for pleasure.

It was still a very bad moment for her.

Well, we do know she has felt guilt and empathy before...




Annnd she's been getting Snow plowed since the Tarly cookoff happened. So we will have to see. But as @Rich has said, It's a little late in the game for "mad" stuff

 

[godfather]

We know Jaime is in town, and she isn't going to execute him. She's not lost, yet. She's shown the willingness to forgive and forget numerous times.

But again, if someone threatens her crown status shit gets ugly with her.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

If I remember correctly Sam said to Jon something along the lines of "You gave up your crown to save your people, would she have done the same?" and for some reason I feel like the conflict will come from this somehow and Jon makes the decision for her.

The answer to that pretty clear seems to be "no". The consistent theme from her is "I am the rightful Queen, and everyone must submit", and the theme from him has been "All I care about is protecting my people." When the negotiations broke down in King's Landing, Danaerys' response wasn't "well, my first duty is to protect the people of Westeros, so I'm taking my dragons north anyway." It was "well, I'm not leaving Cersei and her army in control of the south." The only reason Danaerys agreed to go North was because of Tyrion's intervention with Cersei.

She wants to do good, but she wants to rule more.

Sums it all up perfectly.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

It's the most out of character moment. No one knows how treasurous Cersei is better than Tyrion. Then it doesn't even dawn on him she could be lying. The same woman that plotted to have him killed twice.

The same woman that always schemes behind everyone's back, and then the enemy ends up dead!

He'd trust her word?

Does Tyrion have amnesia or does he need a Westeros intervention.

Is it possible that he still is?

Maybe he suspected that his sister was lying, but believed that it was critical that Danaerys go north so he pretended to trust his sister more than he really did. He'd rather be in Winterfell saying "I'm sorry that Cersei tricked me", than in King's Landing saying "Cersei promised to send her armies up north, but I think she's lying so we should stay."

If that is the case, he's not going to admit it -- certainly not to Danaerys or Sansa. He might admit it to Jaime or Varys, though.

 

[godfather]

And Sam is ready to dethrone her. Pretty damn sure it'd be treason to Dany.

Maybe nothing more comes of it, but I highly doubt it..

I really, really fear for Sam's fate. Dany is not going to sit by and let anyone take her seat. That is pretty obvious.

 

[godfather]

Is it possible that he still is?

Maybe he suspected that his sister was lying, but believed that it was critical that Danaerys go north so he pretended to trust his sister more than he really did. He'd rather be in Winterfell saying "I'm sorry that Cersei tricked me", than in King's Landing saying "Cersei promised to send her armies up north, but I think she's lying so we should stay."

If that is the case, he's not going to admit it -- certainly not to Danaerys or Sansa. He might admit it to Jaime or Varys, though.

I'd like to believe it, but he looked pretty puzzled when Sansa brought it up. "Like fuck me".

 

[Cavatt]

And Sam is ready to dethrone her. Pretty damn sure it'd be treason to Dany.

Maybe nothing more comes of it, but I highly doubt it..

I really, really fear for Sam's fate. Dany is not going to sit by and let anyone take her seat. That is pretty obvious.

He doesn't have much evidence either to be fair.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I'd like to believe it, but he looked pretty puzzled when Sansa brought it up. "Like fuck me".

Yeah, I know. Just trying to give that ugly dwarven bastard the benefit of the doubt....

 

[godfather]

Yeah, I know. Just trying to give that ugly dwarven bastard the benefit of the doubt....

It literally though makes ZERO sense he wouldn't be suspicious though. Like WTF. Everything he knows about Cersei, and how she'd never in a million years just sit by and be idle.

He never even contemplated it? Given his reaction, we are led to believe he didn't.

 

[godfather]

My only conclusion why Tyrion bought it.

Say Jon was the one to go in there, talk to her. And miraculously got her to change her mind. Pretty sure Tyrion wouldn't believe it and think its a trap.

But I think he wanted to believe he really got through to Cersei. And was the hero to bring the Lannister army together to fight the white walkers.

It was his great accomplishment. And not to mention, he might hate Cersei. But at the same time he's always wanted to win over her approval.

But never could. This was his one moment of triumph. Just my guess why he so foolishly bought it.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I'm curious what Dany will do when she finds out next week that Cercei's army isn't marching north.

 

[godfather]

I'm curious what Dany will do when she finds out next week that Cercei's army isn't marching north.

Curious what Bronn is going to do. Is he really going to try to kill his Lannister friends?

I know Bronn wants his money....